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On April 20 2015 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
They made Ellaria into a person who wants to hurt a little girl after Oberyn said that's not what they do in Dorne.
I wonder how they got and stayed together, huh
Maybe cause Ellaria was different last season and they did a 180° change in character this season.
So far these two episodes i saw were disappointing tbh :/
Well I mean seeing your lovers face literally get crushed in and explode.. That shit can seriously fuck with someones head.
I don't agree with the complete switch change but I can understand how they would rationalize it.
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On April 21 2015 00:39 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
They made Ellaria into a person who wants to hurt a little girl after Oberyn said that's not what they do in Dorne.
I wonder how they got and stayed together, huh
Maybe cause Ellaria was different last season and they did a 180° change in character this season.
So far these two episodes i saw were disappointing tbh :/ Well I mean seeing your lovers face literally get crushed in and explode.. That shit can seriously fuck with someones head. I don't agree with the complete switch change but I can understand how they would rationalize it.
Nah sry, it's not like it's the day after Oberyn died.
There was time in between, she had time to think about everything. It makes no sense to me that the basically wife of Oberyn would be as superficial as to "hurt a little girl" for revenge.
It just doesn't add up for me at all and i am really pissed they go that route so we can have a "good vs bad" storyline in Dorne.
(Jaime tries to rescue Myrcella and huh he really has to cause of Ellaria and the Sand Snakes)
That's not the only thing i dislike though, right now this season look like it might be my least favorite one tbh 
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On April 21 2015 00:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 00:39 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 20 2015 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
They made Ellaria into a person who wants to hurt a little girl after Oberyn said that's not what they do in Dorne.
I wonder how they got and stayed together, huh
Maybe cause Ellaria was different last season and they did a 180° change in character this season.
So far these two episodes i saw were disappointing tbh :/ Well I mean seeing your lovers face literally get crushed in and explode.. That shit can seriously fuck with someones head. I don't agree with the complete switch change but I can understand how they would rationalize it. Nah sry, it's not like it's the day after Oberyn died. There was time in between, she had time to think about everything. It makes no sense to me that the basically wife of Oberyn would be as superficial as to "hurt a little girl" for revenge. It just doesn't add up for me at all and i am really pissed they go that route so we can have a "good vs bad" storyline in Dorne. (Jaime tries to rescue Myrcella and huh he really has to cause of Ellaria and the Sand Snakes)
Ellaria's open hostility seems out of character. You'd think Ellaria would practice some subtlety like Tyene in AFFC.
It's disappointing to see Jamie dragged into this. His storyline in the Riverlands is hilariously satisfying.
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This season HBO will be making up a ton of stuff, and they haven't been particularly good at that so far.
At least half the characters have been changed significantly to the point that they aren't really the same person except in name.
On the plus side they change so many things that it will be hard to tell what is actually a spoiler and what is just something they made up.
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I literally have no idea how Jaime/Bronn intend to sneak into Sunspear, and "rescue" Mycella, as well as make Ellaria revenge-seeking woman intent on hurting an innocent girl.
IIRC, she was the one who was mad at Doran for his inaction, but also was trying to calm the bloodthirsty Sand Snakes I believe? I have an incredibly hard time believing book Ellaria would even think to harm Mycella.
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On April 21 2015 02:12 domane wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 00:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:On April 21 2015 00:39 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 20 2015 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
They made Ellaria into a person who wants to hurt a little girl after Oberyn said that's not what they do in Dorne.
I wonder how they got and stayed together, huh
Maybe cause Ellaria was different last season and they did a 180° change in character this season.
So far these two episodes i saw were disappointing tbh :/ Well I mean seeing your lovers face literally get crushed in and explode.. That shit can seriously fuck with someones head. I don't agree with the complete switch change but I can understand how they would rationalize it. Nah sry, it's not like it's the day after Oberyn died. There was time in between, she had time to think about everything. It makes no sense to me that the basically wife of Oberyn would be as superficial as to "hurt a little girl" for revenge. It just doesn't add up for me at all and i am really pissed they go that route so we can have a "good vs bad" storyline in Dorne. (Jaime tries to rescue Myrcella and huh he really has to cause of Ellaria and the Sand Snakes) Ellaria's open hostility seems out of character. You'd think Ellaria would practice some subtlety like Tyene in AFFC. It's disappointing to see Jamie dragged into this. His storyline in the Riverlands is hilariously satisfying.
it wouldnt make too good television, most viewers have forgotten all about the riverlands, and there would be no other major or at least recognizable character to interact with.
EDIT: but i asbolutely loved to read Jamie's inner monlogues
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I loved Jaime's encounter with Brynden Tully during the Siege of Riverrun though.....
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On April 21 2015 04:53 sung_moon wrote:
I loved Jaime's encounter with Brynden Tully during the Siege of Riverrun though.....
Yeah but the Blackfish had a combined 10-15 minutes airtime, and that was 2 seaons before. Viewers wont remember
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On April 21 2015 04:48 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 02:12 domane wrote:On April 21 2015 00:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:On April 21 2015 00:39 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 20 2015 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
They made Ellaria into a person who wants to hurt a little girl after Oberyn said that's not what they do in Dorne.
I wonder how they got and stayed together, huh
Maybe cause Ellaria was different last season and they did a 180° change in character this season.
So far these two episodes i saw were disappointing tbh :/ Well I mean seeing your lovers face literally get crushed in and explode.. That shit can seriously fuck with someones head. I don't agree with the complete switch change but I can understand how they would rationalize it. Nah sry, it's not like it's the day after Oberyn died. There was time in between, she had time to think about everything. It makes no sense to me that the basically wife of Oberyn would be as superficial as to "hurt a little girl" for revenge. It just doesn't add up for me at all and i am really pissed they go that route so we can have a "good vs bad" storyline in Dorne. (Jaime tries to rescue Myrcella and huh he really has to cause of Ellaria and the Sand Snakes) Ellaria's open hostility seems out of character. You'd think Ellaria would practice some subtlety like Tyene in AFFC. It's disappointing to see Jamie dragged into this. His storyline in the Riverlands is hilariously satisfying. it wouldnt make too good television, most viewers have forgotten all about the riverlands, and there would be no other major or at least recognizable character to interact with. EDIT: but i asbolutely loved to read Jamie's innen monlogues
Presumably Bronn would have gone with him still since Ser Ilyn Payne isn't around since the actor had cancer (though it has since been removed in extensive surgery and he is recovering). It would doubtlessly be compressed significantly. Who knows if it would be great tv or not, but the bar isn't very high with the stuff they have made up to take it's place. Somehow they manage to have a ton of filler and yet make everything feel rushed.
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On April 21 2015 05:10 karazax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 04:48 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 21 2015 02:12 domane wrote:On April 21 2015 00:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:On April 21 2015 00:39 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 20 2015 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
They made Ellaria into a person who wants to hurt a little girl after Oberyn said that's not what they do in Dorne.
I wonder how they got and stayed together, huh
Maybe cause Ellaria was different last season and they did a 180° change in character this season.
So far these two episodes i saw were disappointing tbh :/ Well I mean seeing your lovers face literally get crushed in and explode.. That shit can seriously fuck with someones head. I don't agree with the complete switch change but I can understand how they would rationalize it. Nah sry, it's not like it's the day after Oberyn died. There was time in between, she had time to think about everything. It makes no sense to me that the basically wife of Oberyn would be as superficial as to "hurt a little girl" for revenge. It just doesn't add up for me at all and i am really pissed they go that route so we can have a "good vs bad" storyline in Dorne. (Jaime tries to rescue Myrcella and huh he really has to cause of Ellaria and the Sand Snakes) Ellaria's open hostility seems out of character. You'd think Ellaria would practice some subtlety like Tyene in AFFC. It's disappointing to see Jamie dragged into this. His storyline in the Riverlands is hilariously satisfying. it wouldnt make too good television, most viewers have forgotten all about the riverlands, and there would be no other major or at least recognizable character to interact with. EDIT: but i asbolutely loved to read Jamie's innen monlogues Presumably Bronn would have gone with him still since Ser Ilyn Payne isn't around since the actor had cancer (though it has since been removed in extensive surgery and he is recovering). It would doubtlessly be compressed significantly. Who knows if it would be great tv or not, but the bar isn't very high with the stuff they have made up to take it's place. Somehow they manage to have a ton of filler and yet make everything feel rushed.
Well cutting 3/4 of the new characters introduced in 4th and 5th helped wih that i guess.
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Are we ever going to see the rest of the Greyjoys? I get that bumping up the cast and splitting the story even more would be very problematic, but are they gone for good? If not what the heck has Balon been doing for 4 years since he was supposed to die in Clash of Kings and still hasn't (speaking of which, Mel's prophesy still hasn't come true about the 3 kings dieing, so why does Stannis believe her?). Yara wasted a year of her life row boating around the continent to try and save Theon, then ran from some dogs, and the Greyjoys have done a lot of nothing. It's almost to the point of making me wonder why they bothered including them at all.
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my guess is that Victarion, it was him in the books right? will show up in mereen as a convinient plot device to bring Danny out of the City, after she returns with Drogon from the grass sea. Which mostl ikely wont happen this season but at the beginning of the next one. The big battle for this season is gonna be the siege of Mereen and the season is gonna end with Danny coming back with the Khalasar and crush the attackers.
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where the hell was the raven? T_T
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I think the show makes too many compromises to satisfy the audience (Bronn + Show Spoiler +Jaime/Ilyn Payne might have been my favorite chapters in the latter books -,- FACELESS men? But the audience loved that guy so here we go... Which to me weakens the House of Black and White story a lot. Overall it was really lame so far imho.
Blasted through them between seasons one and two to find myself loosing all interest in the show after season two. Too much (imho) cool/important(???) stuff was let out. That notion only worsens by each episode. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic show, but atm i fear it might ruin the books (the whole story) for me.
I mean, the producers know the end, so all of "that stuff" ("young Griff", Iron Islanders) maybe doesn't matter? I wish i would have never continued to watch the show atm.
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I find it somewhat of a relief that the show has gone so far off from the books. This way it isn't just easy, but rather only accurate to write it off as a spin-off rather than expecting it to represent the asoiaf story.
It would have been ok if it stayed in close step too. See it first, read it first...I can go either way easily enough.
Most uncomfortable would have been if it had stayed in the vicinity of ~season 3 in terms of loyalty to the books. Close enough that the middle importance events and up are mostly the same, but still pretty different.
It is like how a spoiler is only bad when it is a semi-spoiler. If you know the material well then it is still fun to see it in a new medium. If you don't know it then you are best off staying on the side of not knowing it until the medium you are using first gets the chance to present it. It is ostensibly not knowing but catching some information that damages it most.
We are stuck in that uncanny valley of semi spoiler on account of the inevitable and imminent point where the show overtakes the books. The farther things veer to one side and away from the middleground low point of that valley, the better.
The new season through episode 2 + Show Spoiler + seems weak to me. The setup nature of episode 1 of each season is to be expected, but there is no excusing when characters just don't make as much sense and there is a generally cheesier feel to things. + Show Spoiler +The episode 4 excitement of this season is particularly bland because it doesn't feel well grounded in story significance. It has no weight. It's just a random fight that managed to involve two semi important people. Then furthermore, it was some of the most un-asoiaf-y fighting the show has used since that sillyness I remember calling "Grey Worm, Daario, and Jorah's Bioware adventure" in Yunkai.
Barristan should be awesome, but that was silly. Knocking Mero on his ass with a quarterstaff was a much better way to show that he still has it.
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On April 21 2015 08:33 r00ty wrote:I think the show makes too many compromises to satisfy the audience (Bronn + Show Spoiler +Jaime/Ilyn Payne might have been my favorite chapters in the latter books -,- , Jaquen + Show Spoiler +FACELESS men? But the audience loved that guy so here we go... Which to me weakens the House of Black and White story a lot. Overall it was really lame so far imho. , etc.), but that's TV. I read the books only after watching the first season tbh, even though the books were recommended to me a lot way before the show started. Blasted through them between seasons one and two to find myself loosing all interest in the show after season two. Too much (imho) cool/important(???) stuff was let out. That notion only worsens by each episode. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic show, but atm i fear it might ruin the books (the whole story) for me. I mean, the producers know the end, so all of "that stuff" ("young Griff", Iron Islanders) maybe doesn't matter? I wish i would have never continued to watch the show atm.
It really depends what you mean with "it doesn't matter". (f)Aegon probably won't be Azor Ahai. No Iron Islander will sit on the Iron throne in the end.
That doesn't mean that these characters aren't important though. They all play a particular role in the books, the show simply decided to get to these big plot points which will happen on a different route (the show only has so much time, they simply cannot do every single book arc, unless they would make more episodes, have more actors => a lot more money)
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On April 21 2015 09:17 Irrelevant Label wrote:I find it somewhat of a relief that the show has gone so far off from the books. This way it isn't just easy, but rather only accurate to write it off as a spin-off rather than expecting it to represent the asoiaf story. It would have been ok if it stayed in close step too. See it first, read it first...I can go either way easily enough. Most uncomfortable would have been if it had stayed in the vicinity of ~season 3 in terms of loyalty to the books. Close enough that the middle importance events and up are mostly the same, but still pretty different. It is like how a spoiler is only bad when it is a semi-spoiler. If you know the material well then it is still fun to see it in a new medium. If you don't know it then you are best off staying on the side of not knowing it until the medium you are using first gets the chance to present it. It is ostensibly not knowing but catching some information that damages it most. We are stuck in that uncanny valley of semi spoiler on account of the inevitable and imminent point where the show overtakes the books. The farther things veer to one side and away from the middleground low point of that valley, the better. The new season through episode 2 + Show Spoiler + seems weak to me. The setup nature of episode 1 of each season is to be expected, but there is no excusing when characters just don't make as much sense and there is a generally cheesier feel to things. + Show Spoiler +The episode 4 excitement of this season is particularly bland because it doesn't feel well grounded in story significance. It has no weight. It's just a random fight that managed to involve two semi important people. Then furthermore, it was some of the most un-asoiaf-y fighting the show has used since that sillyness I remember calling "Grey Worm, Daario, and Jorah's Bioware adventure" in Yunkai.
Barristan should be awesome, but that was silly. Knocking Mero on his ass with a quarterstaff was a much better way to show that he still has it. this pretty much sums it up. readers need to just separate the two stories as best as they can.
enjoy the show for the (mostly)technically-impressive popcornfest it has become, knowing that the true asoiaf experience will eventually be delivered.
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So after this season, will there be any book content left? I think in June or whenever the 10th episode airs, this thread will be closed right? You have 62 days left to live.
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There has to be some agreement between HBO and publishers to protect sales of the remaining books.
I think avoiding the biggest spoilers will become an increasing priority for show runners.
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On April 21 2015 11:49 domane wrote:
There has to be some agreement between HBO and publishers to protect sales of the remaining books.
I think avoiding spoilers will become an increasing priority for show runners.
and u're wrong on that. D&D and GRRM all confirmed that the show will in fact spoil the books, and it will finish sooner.
There were talks about alternate methods like stopping with the series and finish it with movie(s) which obviously would have taken more time to produce and shoot, having a break, making a spinoff/backstory kinda season to buy time, but non of those will happen, it's a done deal, the show will tell the story first, and the ending is gonna be basically the same.
Wont worry about the book-sales so much, im 100% they're gonna be bestsellers (if they ever come out), and how they get to the endgame is gonna be different enough so even non-hardcore fans are gonna care.
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