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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 18 2015 18:19 dmnum wrote: I hope you realize you could be accused of doing the same thing. But hey, how dare someone not be a dick, right? nope, i did not realize that. And now that u said it, i still dont. But please, drop this shit, u were ridiculous before, now u're just pushing it | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On April 18 2015 18:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't think the additional characters create an incoherent story tbh. It slows down the main storyline though, which in my book isn't all that bad. The TV series is probably less coherent, even though they miss a lot of the details and complexity The TV show is quite a bit more coherent, mostly due to the fact that the book goes at a snail's pace. I'm trying to get through the 4th book right now and it's absolutely awful. One chapter in every ten is actually interesting. | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On April 19 2015 06:07 Geo.Rion wrote: nope, i did not realize that. And now that u said it, i still dont. But please, drop this shit, u were ridiculous before, now u're just pushing it At least know who posted what before you respond, please. It's unbecoming to argue with someone when you aren't even aware of what went down. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 19 2015 10:34 Stratos_speAr wrote: The TV show is quite a bit more coherent, mostly due to the fact that the book goes at a snail's pace. I'm trying to get through the 4th book right now and it's absolutely awful. One chapter in every ten is actually interesting. Yeah i don't agree at all tbh. Book 4 and 5 might be slower paced, but imo they have the best character development and world building of all the books. They are certainly used to lead to a big bang again, just like book one and two did for the third one (not to the same extent, but comparable) The show though... A lot of stuff just doesn't add up, they invent scenes for the sake of a good scene and don't think about the long term a lot of the time imo. And i think this will even be worse this season  | ||
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dmnum
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l3loodraven
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 19 2015 10:34 Stratos_speAr wrote: The TV show is quite a bit more coherent, mostly due to the fact that the book goes at a snail's pace. I'm trying to get through the 4th book right now and it's absolutely awful. One chapter in every ten is actually interesting. I'm with you there. I didn't like book 4 very much. Book 5 is a lot better though imo. | ||
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l3loodraven
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GhostLink
United States450 Posts
On April 19 2015 10:49 dmnum wrote: the whole "podrick payne sex god" thing is kind of inexplicable, but who knows maybe it'll end up being relevant like he fucks melisandre to death or some shit.. Maybe, with his mighty weapon, made of Valyrian Steel, for he is the chosen one. No but seriously, your comment made me laugh so fucking hard, I can't even... | ||
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 19 2015 10:49 dmnum wrote: What scenes made you think they don't think about the long term? Off the top of my head I can't remember any. For example they had the scene with Stannis and Melissandre where he uses the leeches. This scene should have led to Balon dying and the Kingsmoot, but no, nothing from the Iron Islands, we don't even know if Balon is still alive (he should be i guess), but in the show world the iron islands are afk. Arya and The Hound at the Eyrie made no sense either, you should think that the word that Arya Stark is alive would have reached some Lords or something, but the scene was more important than the logical repercussions i guess. Tommen is a lot older this season, for whatever reason that is. There is more stuff, i totally understand that it's impossible to be perfect, the books aren't either. But at least GRRM has the excuse to write this stuff ALONE and his books are way bigger than a few script pages. So yeah... I know this sounds really negative, i still think the show is great though! Just not nearly as good as it should be considering the source material imo. On April 19 2015 20:33 Sent. wrote: Sometimes I think Melissandre is just a hundred years old animated corpse covered with illusions. Something like a different (and more powerful) version of Beric/Lady Stoneheart. That wouldn't surprise me either tbh. | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
- Tommen is older simply because they need an older actor to do the sex scenes. Arya at the eyrie is a really short scene that shows how out of hope Arya is. Plus, should Brienne ever get to Sansa, most likely she'll tell her about finding Arya, which could lead to something. The Balon thing is weird, though. Maybe at some point the show'll go to the Iron Islands, but yeah, the leech scene will be much less impactful then. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 19 2015 10:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yeah i don't agree at all tbh. Book 4 and 5 might be slower paced, but imo they have the best character development and world building of all the books. They are certainly used to lead to a big bang again, just like book one and two did for the third one (not to the same extent, but comparable) The show though... A lot of stuff just doesn't add up, they invent scenes for the sake of a good scene and don't think about the long term a lot of the time imo. And i think this will even be worse this season And I will disagree. Brienne's chapters were long meandering and mostly pointless. Worldbuilding but no plot advancement. The Mereenese knot still frustrates me. Etc. Book 4 and 5 realistically could've be covered in one book, if they weren't so bloated. I like them but god, book 4/5 were poorly planned. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 19 2015 23:38 Lord Tolkien wrote: And I will disagree. Brienne's chapters were long meandering and mostly pointless. Worldbuilding but no plot advancement. The Mereenese knot still frustrates me. Etc. Book 4 and 5 realistically could've be covered in one book, if they weren't so bloated. I like them but god, book 4/5 were poorly planned. Wont argue the Brienne part, but by far the biggest reason the "meerenese knot" bored people was that they got accustomed to Westeros. Ok, the fact that the names were in fucking Gheescari didnt help either, but if you take those 2 things away, the whole slaver's bay plot is quite well composed and has a lot of depth, but most people, myself included, couldnt care enough on the first read. But on re-reads it is quite fun. I qued up the 5th audio-book again, and i really love most of it, Brans chapters not so much, cuz they dont offer anything on re-reads, past the Jojen-paste theory. Tyrion being so baleful and bitter is definetly less fun than TV Tyrion though. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 20 2015 02:21 Geo.Rion wrote: Wont argue the Brienne part, but by far the biggest reason the "meerenese knot" bored people was that they got accustomed to Westeros. Ok, the fact that the names were in fucking Gheescari didnt help either, but if you take those 2 things away, the whole slaver's bay plot is quite well composed and has a lot of depth, but most people, myself included, couldnt care enough on the first read. But on re-reads it is quite fun. I qued up the 5th audio-book again, and i really love most of it, Brans chapters not so much, cuz they dont offer anything on re-reads, past the Jojen-paste theory. Tyrion being so baleful and bitter is definetly less fun than TV Tyrion though. Pls. His lines are still golden even when he's more nihilist than Schopenhauer. "Are we going to talk about how futile everything is all the way to Volantis?" "You're right there's no point." Also, this is how quickly we could get through the Meereen arc (like, one or two more episodes and they're done); holy balls this is fast and far less winding. Also, given they most likely cut LSH, Jaime+Bronn adventures in Dorne will be amusing, and another way to keep the story from being dragged around pointlessly through the Riverlands. On April 20 2015 12:21 The_Red_Viper wrote: What did they do to Ellaria -.- Merged with Arianne for simplicity's sake, no doubt; looks like they're cutting out Quentyn and Arianne, which streamlines the massive character tree. Given she just watched her lover's head explode while Cersei smirked through it all, somewhat understandable. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On April 19 2015 23:18 dmnum wrote: Plus, should Brienne ever get to Sansa, most likely she'll tell her about finding Arya, which could lead to something. Seems not. Likely because she doesn't want Littlefinger to know, but still, would likely have helped her case in some way. She's no diplomat, that's for sure. Bullheaded if nothing else. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
I wonder how they got and stayed together, huh Maybe cause Ellaria was different last season and they did a 180° change in character this season. So far these two episodes i saw were disappointing tbh :/ | ||
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