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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
Click Here for the spoiler-free thread.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
June 19 2014 04:04 GMT
#11001
So I just saw this history of Ice and fire released. Does that mean the next books is still years away?

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"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
June 19 2014 04:12 GMT
#11002
On June 19 2014 13:04 Darpa wrote:
So I just saw this history of Ice and fire released. Does that mean the next books is still years away?

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It's essentially been 99.9% guaranteed for a while that the show will catch up to the books before book 6 is released. George RR Martin has chosen to help work on the show to bring it to life and to make everything work with his thoughts from the following books. He knows he can't finish in time, so the best he can do is postpone it, and express his vision of what was going to be written in the books, into the TV show. He already has his first manuscripts finished, so the show shouldn't have lower quality just because the books aren't out yet.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
June 19 2014 04:38 GMT
#11003
Yea the TV thread is a joke at this point... this guy that goes around saying Jon and Arya look like Starks.... what the fuck does a Stark look like in a TV show, all the fucking actors are different ? I mean what is it ? A fucking haircut ?
staceymarie123
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Australia59 Posts
June 19 2014 06:36 GMT
#11004
This might be the first book series that is spoiled by a tv show/movie.

Also does Jojen die in the book, I can't remember for the life of me and my books are in Thailand so I can't check >
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 06:50:41
June 19 2014 06:42 GMT
#11005
On June 19 2014 15:36 staceymarie123 wrote:
This might be the first book series that is spoiled by a tv show/movie.

Also does Jojen die in the book, I can't remember for the life of me and my books are in Thailand so I can't check >

Imo, yes he does, but we dont see it explicetly
It's hinted at several times that he knows he s gonna die here, and after a while we stop seeing him, Bran just doesnt notice he s gone.

And there s the theory that Bran was actually fed Jojen's blood by the Children, but that s a bit of a stretch, though there are some compelling arguments

Also holy shit, till now people tried to look like they re non readers, but the Jon's parentage speculation is outright ridiculous, there s absolutely no fucking hint in the show, and since s1 Lyanna's name isnt even mentioned.
And Sean Bean doesnt even look that "Stark" in the show, he actually has darkbrown hair, saying Jon and Arya resemble him the most in the show is fucking ludicrous.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 19 2014 07:07 GMT
#11006
Just sent a couple of lighthearted PMs for savvy show-viewers who figured out R+L
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
staceymarie123
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Australia59 Posts
June 19 2014 07:52 GMT
#11007
On June 19 2014 15:42 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 15:36 staceymarie123 wrote:
This might be the first book series that is spoiled by a tv show/movie.

Also does Jojen die in the book, I can't remember for the life of me and my books are in Thailand so I can't check >

Imo, yes he does, but we dont see it explicetly
It's hinted at several times that he knows he s gonna die here, and after a while we stop seeing him, Bran just doesnt notice he s gone.

And there s the theory that Bran was actually fed Jojen's blood by the Children, but that s a bit of a stretch, though there are some compelling arguments

Also holy shit, till now people tried to look like they re non readers, but the Jon's parentage speculation is outright ridiculous, there s absolutely no fucking hint in the show, and since s1 Lyanna's name isnt even mentioned.
And Sean Bean doesnt even look that "Stark" in the show, he actually has darkbrown hair, saying Jon and Arya resemble him the most in the show is fucking ludicrous.



Ohhh ok, yeah my memory is so bad I even forgot that Prince Oberyn died! I was so confident he would win then I was crushed when he actually died.

Where could I have a look at the arguments that he was fed the blood? I just want to see the reasoning behind that, would be interesting to know why people think that. I never got that impression.

Wait people think Jon's mum is Lyanna? I didn't even get that in the book? or maybe I did and forgot. I need to re read them big time...
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4602 Posts
June 19 2014 08:03 GMT
#11008
Yea, there is no possible way to get that from the show. No mention she was pregnant. Saying Robert could have been the father is a red herring from book spoilers. They know exactly what they want to say.
Dump of assembler code from 0xffffffec to 0x64: End of assembler dump.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
June 19 2014 08:07 GMT
#11009
On June 19 2014 17:03 0x64 wrote:
Yea, there is no possible way to get that from the show. No mention she was pregnant. Saying Robert could have been the father is a red herring from book spoilers. They know exactly what they want to say.


Is there ever a mention she was pregnant in the books?
I think people are jumping to conclusions here, I would have to rewatch season 1 to be sure but I think there are enough conversations between Robert & Ned about Lyanna that you could come up with some theories.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 19 2014 08:22 GMT
#11010
I doubt that very many book readers got R+L=J from the books either. I know that I did not. To be honest, a lot of people posting it probably have not read the books, but instead read the theory elsewhere.

Also, we still do not know for sure that the theory is correct. GRRM and D&D like to troll, too.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 08:28:40
June 19 2014 08:25 GMT
#11011
In book 1, Jon gets burned pretty badly and his hand is hurting for ages.
If he's really a Targ, shouldn't he be 'immune' to fire like Dany is?

e: found an answer to my own question on some forum

How can Jon be a Targaryen if he has a burned hand?
Targaryens are not immune to fire. Aerion Brightflame died drinking wildfire. Aegon V and his son Duncan are thought to have died in a fire-related event at Summerhall. Rhaenyra was eaten by Aegon II's dragon, presumably roasted by fire before the dragon took a bite. Viserys died when he was crowned with molten gold. Dany suffered burns from the fire pit incident at the end of A Dance with Dragons. Finally, the author has stated outright that Targaryens are not immune to fire. Jon's burned hand does not mean he is ineligible to be part Targaryen. For more information about the myth of Targ fire immunity, see this thread.
staceymarie123
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Australia59 Posts
June 19 2014 08:27 GMT
#11012
On June 19 2014 17:25 Laurens wrote:
In book 1, Jon gets burned pretty badly and his hand is hurting for ages.
If he's really a Targ, shouldn't he be 'immune' to fire like Dany is?


Why do people think he is Targarian?
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
June 19 2014 08:32 GMT
#11013
On June 19 2014 17:27 staceymarie123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 17:25 Laurens wrote:
In book 1, Jon gets burned pretty badly and his hand is hurting for ages.
If he's really a Targ, shouldn't he be 'immune' to fire like Dany is?


Why do people think he is Targarian?


One of the more popular theories about GoT.

When Ned thinks back to the events of the tower of Joy, he often remembers Lyanna saying 'promise me Ned'. Speculation is that she was pregnant with Rhaegar's son (who kidnapped her and put her in the tower) and that this kid is Jon Snow, and she made Ned promise to keep this a secret, so he claims it's his own bastard son.

Have a google on the topic, it's probably the most discussed theory in GoT.

Him being part Stark, part Targ could also be an explanation of the title a song of ice and fire.
staceymarie123
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Australia59 Posts
June 19 2014 08:44 GMT
#11014
On June 19 2014 17:32 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 17:27 staceymarie123 wrote:
On June 19 2014 17:25 Laurens wrote:
In book 1, Jon gets burned pretty badly and his hand is hurting for ages.
If he's really a Targ, shouldn't he be 'immune' to fire like Dany is?


Why do people think he is Targarian?


One of the more popular theories about GoT.

When Ned thinks back to the events of the tower of Joy, he often remembers Lyanna saying 'promise me Ned'. Speculation is that she was pregnant with Rhaegar's son (who kidnapped her and put her in the tower) and that this kid is Jon Snow, and she made Ned promise to keep this a secret, so he claims it's his own bastard son.

Have a google on the topic, it's probably the most discussed theory in GoT.

Him being part Stark, part Targ could also be an explanation of the title a song of ice and fire.


Yeah I will check that out it sounds really interesting.

I have never heard of that theory but I don't really frequent many GoT forums.

Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 19 2014 09:01 GMT
#11015
On June 19 2014 16:52 staceymarie123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 15:42 Geo.Rion wrote:
On June 19 2014 15:36 staceymarie123 wrote:
This might be the first book series that is spoiled by a tv show/movie.

Also does Jojen die in the book, I can't remember for the life of me and my books are in Thailand so I can't check >

Imo, yes he does, but we dont see it explicetly
It's hinted at several times that he knows he s gonna die here, and after a while we stop seeing him, Bran just doesnt notice he s gone.

And there s the theory that Bran was actually fed Jojen's blood by the Children, but that s a bit of a stretch, though there are some compelling arguments

Also holy shit, till now people tried to look like they re non readers, but the Jon's parentage speculation is outright ridiculous, there s absolutely no fucking hint in the show, and since s1 Lyanna's name isnt even mentioned.
And Sean Bean doesnt even look that "Stark" in the show, he actually has darkbrown hair, saying Jon and Arya resemble him the most in the show is fucking ludicrous.



Ohhh ok, yeah my memory is so bad I even forgot that Prince Oberyn died! I was so confident he would win then I was crushed when he actually died.

Where could I have a look at the arguments that he was fed the blood? I just want to see the reasoning behind that, would be interesting to know why people think that. I never got that impression.

Wait people think Jon's mum is Lyanna? I didn't even get that in the book? or maybe I did and forgot. I need to re read them big time...

here s the Jojen theory
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/56772-jojen-reeds-fate-adwd-spoilers/
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 19 2014 12:13 GMT
#11016
Wow even after the season is over with no new book yet this thread is still so active. Crazy
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
June 19 2014 12:15 GMT
#11017
On June 19 2014 21:13 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow even after the season is over with no new book yet this thread is still so active. Crazy


It's only been 4 days
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 14:05:07
June 19 2014 14:00 GMT
#11018
wrong thread
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
June 19 2014 14:03 GMT
#11019
On June 19 2014 23:00 Geo.Rion wrote:
I teleported with prophet off the map

Literally, i ve been gone from the map.
When preesin F1 to find myself the camera went behind enemy's well
[image loading]


Ok then.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
esKq
Profile Joined April 2010
France134 Posts
June 19 2014 14:04 GMT
#11020
On June 19 2014 13:12 FiWiFaKi wrote:
It's essentially been 99.9% guaranteed for a while that the show will catch up to the books before book 6 is released. George RR Martin has chosen to help work on the show to bring it to life and to make everything work with his thoughts from the following books. He knows he can't finish in time, so the best he can do is postpone it, and express his vision of what was going to be written in the books, into the TV show. He already has his first manuscripts finished, so the show shouldn't have lower quality just because the books aren't out yet.



Are you serious ? He really intend to finish the story on TV ?
To me this is colossal let down due to the mediocre quality of the show.

When does the author stipulate such a thing ?
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