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On June 03 2014 06:59 jinorazi wrote:lol cosine i hope you didnt lose too much of your mind over recent events  (certainly enough to get spoiled for the next 3 seasons) i was gonna say, patience brother. but yeah, as you can see by other's post, shit did happen to the lannisters.
Nah, I really don't care about spoilers.
On June 03 2014 07:05 Sentenal wrote:
Its coming. While I haven't been keeping up with the HBO show, Tywin is killed at the very end of Storm of Swords, which should be the very end of Season 4. A Feast of Crows ends with Cersei owning herself, and then Dance with Dragons ends with Kevan getting killed. So its pretty much just downhill for the Lannisters from this point on.
Cool, cool. Still kinda boring that everything goes Tywin's way until calamity befalls him. Characters are much more interesting with ups and downs. Everything going swimmingly then sudden death isn't too satisfying.
Does Dany at least face a minor setback at some point? Really even just anything. Chipped tooth? IBS? Anything?
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On June 03 2014 07:37 sperY wrote:The fight was so good. But...but.. Oberyn  I remember reading this year back. It was the single saddest thing for me to see Oberyn killed like that. I loved that character more than any other... Oh god. Now i feel bad again. :/
Same here Really liked Oberyn, and the actor they had for him fit perfectly.
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On June 03 2014 05:30 karazax wrote:
That ignores that he also had Lord Nestor and Corbray on his payroll in the books, and Corbray behaves very belligerently during the meeting, going so far as to draw his sword. This breach of hospitality gives Petyr the leverage to demand a trial period on his wardship over Robyn.
Littlefinger notes to Sansa how fortuitous Corbray's action was, and Sansa correctly guesses that Corbray must be on his payroll. Petyr confirms this, and confides in Sansa his plans to use this time to eliminate, win over, or marginalize the lords who stand in his path, and to allow Corbray to use his supposed disgust for him to facilitate his joining, and covertly informing on, any conspiracy against the Lord Protector. So he didn't just prepare Sansa with what to say, he "stacked the deck" in his favor from the start.
Comparitively TV-Littlefinger seems surprised that Sansa would even be questioned, despite the fact that one would think that "getting their story straight" would be the first thing that was discussed after Lysa's push. What's troubling is that the show writers seem to think that their change is some sort of brilliant twist that improves the story line.
Is that true? I thought this happened a lot later, and the first meeting was settled by Marillion's confession.
edit: and after a little research I'm pretty sure I'm right^^
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On June 03 2014 07:45 cosine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 06:59 jinorazi wrote:lol cosine i hope you didnt lose too much of your mind over recent events (certainly enough to get spoiled for the next 3 seasons) i was gonna say, patience brother. but yeah, as you can see by other's post, shit did happen to the lannisters. Nah, I really don't care about spoilers. Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 07:05 Sentenal wrote:
Its coming. While I haven't been keeping up with the HBO show, Tywin is killed at the very end of Storm of Swords, which should be the very end of Season 4. A Feast of Crows ends with Cersei owning herself, and then Dance with Dragons ends with Kevan getting killed. So its pretty much just downhill for the Lannisters from this point on. Cool, cool. Still kinda boring that everything goes Tywin's way until calamity befalls him. Characters are much more interesting with ups and downs. Everything going swimmingly then sudden death isn't too satisfying. Does Dany at least face a minor setback at some point? Really even just anything. Chipped tooth? IBS? Anything?
Dany just sorta flounders about, unable to do anything for a long time. She can't really do anything in her city because all the nobles there hate her/want to use her. So I guess getting stalled there for a really long time is a setback? The most recent book actually had stuff happen with her, when her Dragons finally get big, they go on a rampage after... I forget his name, one of the Dornish princes went to court her/bring her back to Westeros, thought that if he could tame one of her Dragons that she would fall for him, and gets his head melted. So the aftermath of this has her Dragons going on a rampage, and eventually when the shit really hits the fan with that (her city trying to kill her dragons), Dany hops onto the biggest one, and flies off with it. She ends up in the middle of a Dothraki horde with her Dragon, last we saw.
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I think George RR Martin is the beetle squisher. He just goes kathunk and kills bros =(
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I thought that ending was really good, but agreed with some of the people saying you don't really get the Mountain's strength until the end.
The Dany and Littlefinger scenes were so bad though. I was grumbling all the way through them:
- Dany: I'd never really bought into the whole "Emilia Clarke isn't a great actress" thing until that scene. She was looking away from Jorah the entire time and kept doing this weird "hard-ass" thing with her mouth that just made her look odd. I've gotten this impression all season that people praised her in season 3 for looking like a badass woman, and that has become the only emotion she, or the directors, feel can be conveyed. The Jorah thing was far weaker too than the books since we hadn't seen Barristan and Jorah get on each other's nerves as much as they used to lately. The double blame is what made it a good scene originally.
- Littlefinger (sigh). Season 1 is still his best work, and then from season 2 onwards it feels like the only thing the writers know about Littlefinger is that he loved Cat. He looks like such a poor player of the game of thrones, when really he's meant to look like possibly the second biggest puppetmaster after Varys, if not equal to. Then again, the writers stopped caring about Varys as well so hey. The politics of spying appears to be less interesting than the politics of breasts in the tv world of westeros. Also I just burst out laughing at Sansa in the dress at the end. My girlfriend was just really confused by the whole thing "Why did she dye her hair? Whats with the dress? The fuck!?" etc. The "Inside the Episode" sort of proves that they feel the audience can assume too much. All that "Sansa has learned from Littlefinger" stuff the writer goes on about is neither implicit or explicit. It's just not in the show.
End of rants. Fight was awesome. The beetle crushing story is basically what makes me love the tv adaptation, and that scene was really great between the brothers. Arya's laugh was hilarious.
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On June 03 2014 09:39 APurpleCow wrote:
I think George RR Martin is the beetle squisher. He just goes kathunk and kills bros =(
He definitely is a sadistic twat. Gratuitously so at times.
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On June 03 2014 08:10 Sentenal wrote:
Dany just sorta flounders about, unable to do anything for a long time. She can't really do anything in her city because all the nobles there hate her/want to use her. So I guess getting stalled there for a really long time is a setback? The most recent book actually had stuff happen with her, when her Dragons finally get big, they go on a rampage after... I forget his name, one of the Dornish princes went to court her/bring her back to Westeros, thought that if he could tame one of her Dragons that she would fall for him, and gets his head melted. So the aftermath of this has her Dragons going on a rampage, and eventually when the shit really hits the fan with that (her city trying to kill her dragons), Dany hops onto the biggest one, and flies off with it. She ends up in the middle of a Dothraki horde with her Dragon, last we saw.
Oh man, Emilia Clarke jumping on a cgi dragon and flying away is going to look so cheesy. I can't wait. Hopefully we get a Bastian/Falcor style shot as she flies away screaming "Mother of Draaaaaaaagoooooooons!"
Speaking of Dorne, is it ever a setting in the book? I suppose for the show they'll just film wherever they film Essos scenes, since it seems like it's suppose to be a sandy/sunny place, but I'll be interested to see the "architecture" and set design.
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On June 03 2014 09:48 cosine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 08:10 Sentenal wrote:
Dany just sorta flounders about, unable to do anything for a long time. She can't really do anything in her city because all the nobles there hate her/want to use her. So I guess getting stalled there for a really long time is a setback? The most recent book actually had stuff happen with her, when her Dragons finally get big, they go on a rampage after... I forget his name, one of the Dornish princes went to court her/bring her back to Westeros, thought that if he could tame one of her Dragons that she would fall for him, and gets his head melted. So the aftermath of this has her Dragons going on a rampage, and eventually when the shit really hits the fan with that (her city trying to kill her dragons), Dany hops onto the biggest one, and flies off with it. She ends up in the middle of a Dothraki horde with her Dragon, last we saw. Oh man, Emilia Clarke jumping on a cgi dragon and flying away is going to look so cheesy. I can't wait. Hopefully we get a Bastian/Falcor style shot as she flies away screaming "Mother of Draaaaaaaagoooooooons!" Speaking of Dorne, is it ever a setting in the book? I suppose for the show they'll just film wherever they film Essos scenes, since it seems like it's suppose to be a sandy/sunny place, but I'll be interested to see the "architecture" and set design.
Yeah Dorne is a setting in the 4th and 5th books. I guess they could shoot in the same area, Dorne is supposed to be a mix of mountains/desert but I guess they could always go with CGI.
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Whoops looooooool wrong thread.
Anyway watching reaction videos. Half are ppl who legit think Oberyn wins/lives (probably because Joff dies, so good things do happen in GoT right?), and other half are still at the edge of their seat.
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As terrible as what they did to LF is, and as bad as the technicalities are, I kinda like the Sansa change. I spent a decade hating that character and seeing the show accelerate her progress towards something kind of cool is a win.
I wasn't so sure after the first watch, but on the second I think the beetle crushing scene feels like the first truly good non-book addition they have made in a while.
The tears are great. I really love the variants of "It's just as simple as Disney, but the bad guys always win." and anything that is a personal attack on GRRM.
An image of GRRM crushing beetles to a sound of "Ka-dunk, Ka-dunk..." should be a thing.
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i really really hated the littlefinger part
they made him look like a retard
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On June 03 2014 11:06 sung_moon wrote:
Whoops looooooool wrong thread.
Anyway watching reaction videos. Half are ppl who legit think Oberyn wins/lives (probably because Joff dies, so good things do happen in GoT right?), and other half are still at the edge of their seat.
Could you link some good reaction videos?
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On June 03 2014 12:05 teddyoojo wrote:
i really really hated the littlefinger part
they made him look like a retard
yes this episode was filled with retarded, stupid, unexplainable twists.
The Hound revealing to a random gate keeper kinght that he has Arya Stark...
And then they let them go...
Nightswatch down to a 100 men vs 100k
Tywinn having the pardon letter that Robert signed and sent to Jorah, which he recieved and discarded. And they send it from one end of the world to the other in half an episode.
And then we have the lords of the vale teleporting to the Eyrie, leaving not a single minute for LF to plot with Sansa the scenario for the trial.
seems legit
Good thign the duel made evryone forget all that shit
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On June 03 2014 09:41 bittman wrote:
I thought that ending was really good, but agreed with some of the people saying you don't really get the Mountain's strength until the end.
The Dany and Littlefinger scenes were so bad though. I was grumbling all the way through them:
- Dany: I'd never really bought into the whole "Emilia Clarke isn't a great actress" thing until that scene. She was looking away from Jorah the entire time and kept doing this weird "hard-ass" thing with her mouth that just made her look odd. I've gotten this impression all season that people praised her in season 3 for looking like a badass woman, and that has become the only emotion she, or the directors, feel can be conveyed. The Jorah thing was far weaker too than the books since we hadn't seen Barristan and Jorah get on each other's nerves as much as they used to lately. The double blame is what made it a good scene originally.
- Littlefinger (sigh). Season 1 is still his best work, and then from season 2 onwards it feels like the only thing the writers know about Littlefinger is that he loved Cat. He looks like such a poor player of the game of thrones, when really he's meant to look like possibly the second biggest puppetmaster after Varys, if not equal to. Then again, the writers stopped caring about Varys as well so hey. The politics of spying appears to be less interesting than the politics of breasts in the tv world of westeros. Also I just burst out laughing at Sansa in the dress at the end. My girlfriend was just really confused by the whole thing "Why did she dye her hair? Whats with the dress? The fuck!?" etc. The "Inside the Episode" sort of proves that they feel the audience can assume too much. All that "Sansa has learned from Littlefinger" stuff the writer goes on about is neither implicit or explicit. It's just not in the show.
End of rants. Fight was awesome. The beetle crushing story is basically what makes me love the tv adaptation, and that scene was really great between the brothers. Arya's laugh was hilarious.
I'm pretty sure that Dany looking away from Jorah was not her acting bad, but a script thing. Like she is so pissed/disappointed that she can't even look at him or whatever. Don't mistake me for a fanboy of her or anything, I do think she is a bad actress, but I don't think she proved it here. If anything, she is actually getting better at it now. The character was only really interesting in the first season, but then her acting was really weak.
Totally agreed on the LF part. If that was a calculated risk, it was just too risky, especially considering he is putting his life on Sansa's hands there. I don't get the hate on Sansa's change tho. I really thought she looked way more womanly in the dress and it totally looked like "she learned from LF" to me. That was super easy and obvious, not the complicated stuff this shows usually throws at us (like the beetles speech, which had me going wtf for quite a while).
Gotta admit my memory from reading the books is really bad (that was several years ago) but I think I felt the same with Sansa in the book. The first and probably last time she acts clutch and becomes badass.
I also liked how Oberyn went "size doesn't matter when they are lying on the ground" and then gets rekt when the Mountain is on the ground That fight IMO also proves that the mountain is NOT the strongest (best) fighter in westeros.
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Like Tyrions' first trial by combat this simply proves that getting fatigued in heavy armour leads to getting owned by the light armour guy (until you start talking and lose). Of course it also proves that like in any superhero/bond/thriller movie you shouldn't talk before going for the death blow. Why do people assume when the enemy is wounded/grounded they aren't a threat? Always decapitate - don't play games.
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On June 03 2014 11:11 Irrelevant Label wrote:
The tears are great. I really love the variants of "It's just as simple as Disney, but the bad guys always win." and anything that is a personal attack on GRRM.
An image of GRRM crushing beetles to a sound of "Ka-dunk, Ka-dunk..." should be a thing.
Leave it to reddit!
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Everyone talking about the best fighter in the series made me remember that Garlan got cut from the show..
That's pretty depressing, it basically confirms he probably won't have a bigger part in the series and I really wanted to see Loras's superior brother go ham on a mother fucker after Loras himself got burned.
All the art of him looks pretty baller too.
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On June 03 2014 15:37 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 12:05 teddyoojo wrote:
i really really hated the littlefinger part
they made him look like a retard yes this episode was filled with retarded, stupid, unexplainable twists. The Hound revealing to a random gate keeper kinght that he has Arya Stark... And then they let them go... Nightswatch down to a 100 men vs 100kTywinn having the pardon letter that Robert signed and sent to Jorah, which he recieved and discarded. And they send it from one end of the world to the other in half an episode. And then we have the lords of the vale teleporting to the Eyrie, leaving not a single minute for LF to plot with Sansa the scenario for the trial. seems legit Good thing the duel made evryone forget all that shit
While the rest of it is up to debate and critque (i see your points, TV-shows are "funny" sometimes) that is how the battle at the wall looks like. Is it overkill? sure i think that is the point. The nightwatch gets worse and smaller every year, and now, when it at it's worst, 100.000 fucking mad wildlings wants to cross the wall, and no one, besides the nightwatch, is there to try and stop them. So you can't fault the episode/show for that (at best GRMM, but that's kinda of a moot pointe). If the rest of Westeros familes wasn't so god damn stupid and caught up in their own pointless conflicts, the situation at the wall would have been better, maybe.
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