EPT[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 508
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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disciple
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On June 03 2014 01:14 Lord Tolkien wrote: So much salt. I'm saving this for the next two weeks. Even as a fellow book reader I can echo the guys sentiments. Tbh nothing until book 6 makes up for all the likeable characters getting fucked, the starks story lines progress very slow for ppl to have any satisfaction and its very likely the roles reverse at the end with arya being a ruthless killer without treads of feelings, sansa becoming a cold blooded political bitch and old moma stark killing off a couple more likeable guys in a pointless quest for vengence. The irony of this is that a lot of ppl will still hold their sentiments for the starks and ultimately cheer for the bad guys. And Jaime, who from one of the most unappealing characters becomes the de facto face of the last two books will probably get fucked just so Martin can prove a point. | ||
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
On June 03 2014 02:33 xDaunt wrote: I really enjoy reading Andy Greenwald's episode recaps over at Grantland. It is impressive how perceptive he is given that he hasn't read the books. If it was your job to write about the show, and to be perceptive and interesting, wouldn't you read the books and just claim not to have? That said, I also enjoy the heck out of the recaps. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 03 2014 03:48 Rho_ wrote: If it was your job to write about the show, and to be perceptive and interesting, wouldn't you read the books and just claim not to have? That said, I also enjoy the heck out of the recaps. Perhaps, but I don't think he's read them. He's just a bright guy with an excellent writing style. It's his job to analyze this stuff, so I presume that that is the reason why his work appears to be so perceptive. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
I don't think the writers really get Littlefinger. They say Littlefinger is 3 steps ahead of everyone, but then make up a scene where the Lords of the Vale arrive and he has absolutely no plan, leaving it to luck that Sansa happens to make up a story that helps him. The whole Jorah thing was so lacking of emotion. They explain the "point" of the beetle scene, which doesn't change my mind that it was poorly written scene that took way too long. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i dont recall the time line but will the 10th episode end with undead cat? | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 03 2014 04:10 jinorazi wrote: i dont recall the time line but will the 10th episode end with undead cat? There's no way of knowing that, since the writers don't stick very strictly to the books anymore. My guess is that we'll see UnCat when Brienne is caught. Not sure if that's going to happen in two episodes already. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
There is no telling when they will do Undead Cat, or even if they will this season, but I last scene of the season seems like a possiblility. In the books she is first revealed with the killing of the Frey's. It would be REALLY cutting material if they have Brienne captured by Stoneheart in this season. That would skip the entirety of what you would expect would be covered next season for her character. Then again they just cut most of Sansa's existing story line and Gwendoline Christie just was announced as joining the cast of Star Wars. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
Anyways, after todays episode; could anyone tell me what happens to the mountain? I know that he´s been poisoned by Oberyn.. | ||
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JeosAdn
Costa Rica432 Posts
On June 03 2014 03:10 albis wrote: Then tyrion goes to essos and is hand of the queen. Starts telling dany how to act!!! All of the sudden the dragon storyline gets amazing!!! Did... did I just get the next book spoiled? xD | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12463 Posts
On June 03 2014 04:05 karazax wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3vgeMijCc I don't think the writers really get Littlefinger. They say Littlefinger is 3 steps ahead of everyone, but then make up a scene where the Lords of the Vale arrive and he has absolutely no plan, leaving it to luck that Sansa happens to make up a story that helps him. The whole Jorah thing was so lacking of emotion. They explain the "point" of the beetle scene, which doesn't change my mind that it was poorly written scene that took way too long. I think they treat the surroundings of Lysa's death as an accident. He didn't plan to kill her at this specific point, neither in the show nor in the books, and he has to make up for it, so he does it in a hasty way trying to fix the "mistake". In the book he was still the one instigating the excuse, so that made more sense, and I was expecting him to congratulate Sansa on following the plan during the whole episode. It's a bit annoying that he didn't, I agree, but I guess they put his lack of preparation for the follow-up in the same bag as his lack of preparation for the act, which isn't the worst thing they've ever done. TLDR I agree that it isn't the most plausible thing but I don't think it needs to become a massive deal. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
Littlefinger notes to Sansa how fortuitous Corbray's action was, and Sansa correctly guesses that Corbray must be on his payroll. Petyr confirms this, and confides in Sansa his plans to use this time to eliminate, win over, or marginalize the lords who stand in his path, and to allow Corbray to use his supposed disgust for him to facilitate his joining, and covertly informing on, any conspiracy against the Lord Protector. So he didn't just prepare Sansa with what to say, he "stacked the deck" in his favor from the start. Comparitively TV-Littlefinger seems surprised that Sansa would even be questioned, despite the fact that one would think that "getting their story straight" would be the first thing that was discussed after Lysa's push. What's troubling is that the show writers seem to think that their change is some sort of brilliant twist that improves the story line. | ||
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cosine
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On June 03 2014 01:14 Lord Tolkien wrote: So much salt. I'm saving this for the next two weeks. You don't have to save anything, I don't care about spoilers anymore. I'm not even salty, just bored. Joffrey was a liability, so his death was good for the Lannisters. Especially Tywin, who gets a completely compliant Tommen on the throne. I'm sure something will happen to Tywin eventually, and sure it'll be cathartic, but that doesn't change the fact that he's been strolling through this whole story without any setbacks. Everything's coming up Tywin. Same thing in Essos. You can't even say Dany has a storyline. Stories require conflict, and for seasons now she's just been showing up at cities saying "I'm mother of dragons, free your slaves this is my town now." Then everyone declares her a pretty, pretty princess and is completely devoted to her. All her opposition are extras. Does she even have an antagonist on that whole damn continent? Her character arc was like done in season two, and they've just been kicking the can on her crossing the sea and actually becoming relevant. Yet still they devote so much screentime to her, to what end? So they can develop a romantic subplot between her handmaiden and a eunuch? Every other storyline has more interesting things to see. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
Yes, the books did it better. No, the show couldn't have done it just like that. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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On June 03 2014 05:48 Conti wrote: You have to be very naive to expect the plot to go into this much detail on a TV show. A lot of people here simply flat out ignore the challenges and restrictions that exist in making a TV show adaption of a book series, and pretend that the writers and producers could have just as likely create a 1:1 adaption of the books with literally zero changes. That's just not how it works. Yes, the books did it better. No, the show couldn't have done it just like that. That is such a dead argument... Nobody asks for a 1:1 adaption, it is simply not possible time wise. But why change things that wouldn't take more time? There are little things like Oberyn mentioning he was in Casterly Rock with his father instead of his mother (but even this is just a retarded change), but there are also bigger things like ADDING extra scenes that are just plain stupid (bran, asha) instead of developing other storylines further (not to mention the unnecessary boob scenes). There is also no real reason why stannis is totally different, and other characters as well. Except you want to imply that they have to dumb things down cause the tv show has to appeal to a wider audience (= a more stupid one), but then again, this is obviously the reason... | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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