[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 507

On June 03 2014 00:22 ZasZ. wrote:


Thanks for the mental image of Bruce Willis saying "Yippie Ki-Yay Motherfucker" and popping a cap in Tywin's ass.

On June 02 2014 18:33 cosine wrote:

lol? educate yourself. Stannis, Caesar, and Blackfish are the only worthwhile characters left on this show. Of course all that while they're worth is spent on insipid bullshit in Essos.

And GRRM is no more complex than Disney. It's just Disney on its head: the bad guy always wins. Everyone who tries to hold the Lannisters accountable for their actions gets murdered, and the Lannisters get everything they want. It's just as banal as a fairytale ending, except you can't feel good about it.

-Oberyn tries to avenge the rape and murder of his sister and her children: gets murdered. Lannisters win.
-Ned tries to stop the Lannisters from putting an incestuous bastard on the throne: gets murdered. Lannisters win.
-Robb tries to avenge his father's bullshit execution: gets murdered. Lannisters win.
-Stannis personally leads an assault of King's Landing to finally give the Lannisters their comeuppance. Ha, ha: bullshit magic superweapon out of nowhere. Lannisters win.

Might as well be called House Mary Sue.

It wouldn't be so bad if they weren't one dimensional mustache twirling villains. Tywin is supposed to be pragmatic instead of evil, but he wants to kill one of his greatest assets, a brilliant son, just because he's shorter than everyone else. DIFFERENT MUST DIE is an uninterestingly evil and simplistic character motivation.

On June 03 2014 00:57 teddyoojo wrote:
just wondering, arent misandei and grey worm siblings? like in the books i mean

On June 03 2014 00:58 JeosAdn wrote:
From the TV thread:



This guy is gonna feel like a seer before the season's end haha

On June 03 2014 01:28 Nebuchad wrote:
Wonder if they'll make it obvious in the show that Oberyn poisoned Tywin, they have seemed to make that kind of choice in the past (Renly and Loras for example)

On June 03 2014 01:21 KOFgokuon wrote:


They aren't related. She has 3 (now 2 I think?) brothers that were unsullied but grey worm isn't one of them

On June 03 2014 01:40 teddyoojo wrote:
wait what poisioning i cant remember

On June 03 2014 01:41 karazax wrote:


You didn't forget, it's theorycraft.

Here is the basic summary:

http://boiledleather.com/post/24196234491/tywin-lannister-dead-man-shitting

and here is the arguement against:


Did Oberyn poison Tywin?: The Case Against

In the latest podcast of Fire and Ice, Elio and Linda and the hosts have a laugh at the expense of various “Tywin Lannister was poisoned” theories, including mine own contention that the Red Viper had slipped him some Widow’s Blood. As an ASoIaF fan, you haven’t known heartache until a chuckling Elio Garcia refers to your pet theory as “total nonsense,” let me just tell you. Anyway, Linda does the bulk of the debunking, asserting that there’s nothing about either death or even getting shot in the bowels that would magically undo the work of a poison that completely shuts down the excretory system — since Tywin does shit as he dies, we can therefore deduce that the fatal constipation induced by Widow’s Blood wasn’t in effect. I confess I have no idea how such a thing would work, and that my assumption had always been that a crossbow quarrel in your guttyworks is the ultimate laxative, but I could certainly be wrong about that.

But this got me to thinking of another, more definitive way to debunk my theory: listening to what Prince Doran has to say about his brother, and about his plans for vengeance.

Here he is talking to Ellaria in “The Princess in the Tower” from Feast:

“You mistake patience for forbearance. I have worked at the downfall of Tywin Lannister since the day they told me of Elia and her children. It was my hope to strip him of all that he held most dear before I killed him, but it would seem his dwarf son has robbed me of that pleasure.”

And here he is talking to the Sand Snakes in Areo’s chapter from Dance, “The Watcher”:

“I am not blind, nor deaf. I know that you all believe me weak, frightened, feeble. Your father knew me better. Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him. I was the grass. Pleasant, complaisant, sweet-smelling, swaying with every breeze. Who fears to walk upon the grass? But it is the grass that hides the viper from his enemies and shelters him until he strikes. Your father and I worked more closely than you know …”

Put the two together, and it seems unlikely that Oberyn, who’d apparently worked hand in hand with Doran for years on the secret plot, would suddenly seek to ice Tywin before allowing him to witness the utter ruin of House Lannister, as was Doran’s intent.

On June 03 2014 01:14 Lord Tolkien wrote:

So much salt.

I'm saving this for the next two weeks.

On June 03 2014 01:54 GwSC wrote:


I totally saw these types of rage posts coming. People just spouting nonsense because they're angry their favorite died. "The bad guy always wins". Right, that's why Joffrey is dead, Arya is running around crossing names off her list, Gregor (as far as they know) most likely dead, Sansa has escaped, Daenerys has been rolling over the slavemasters...smh.