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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
June 03 2014 11:38 GMT
#10201
Too bad they couldn't get the Mountain actor from season 1 back. He was perfect.
That new kid was surely massive, but not very convincing and felt sort of limited in his movement. I think that Season 1 Mountain would have been a way better fighter, judging from his performance at the tourney vs. The Hound.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 03 2014 12:09 GMT
#10202
The fight scene was underwhelming tbh, too flashy, too short, well...
Pedros acting was nice though
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
June 03 2014 12:12 GMT
#10203
the way pedro pascal portrayed oberyn is one of the few characters where the show version is better than the books. actually makes me care more about the sand snake intro next season and all the dorne plots. people will remember oberyn and default be interested in the culture that produced such a badass.

other characters i like more in the show than the books:

the hound
tywin
hot pie

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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 03 2014 12:17 GMT
#10204
On June 03 2014 21:12 Hot_Bid wrote:
the way pedro pascal portrayed oberyn is one of the few characters where the show version is better than the books. actually makes me care more about the sand snake intro next season and all the dorne plots. people will remember oberyn and default be interested in the culture that produced such a badass.

other characters i like more in the show than the books:

the hound
tywin
hot pie


I don't know about "better" , he is just more of a focus, the book version is just as badass.
But yeah Pedro nailed it and was imo the highlight of this season :D
the fight was meh nonetheless
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Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
June 03 2014 12:44 GMT
#10205
On June 03 2014 06:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 05:48 Conti wrote:
You have to be very naive to expect the plot to go into this much detail on a TV show. A lot of people here simply flat out ignore the challenges and restrictions that exist in making a TV show adaption of a book series, and pretend that the writers and producers could have just as likely create a 1:1 adaption of the books with literally zero changes. That's just not how it works.

Yes, the books did it better. No, the show couldn't have done it just like that.

That is such a dead argument...
Nobody asks for a 1:1 adaption, it is simply not possible time wise.
But why change things that wouldn't take more time? There are little things like Oberyn mentioning he was in Casterly Rock with his father instead of his mother (but even this is just a retarded change), but there are also bigger things like ADDING extra scenes that are just plain stupid (bran, asha) instead of developing other storylines further (not to mention the unnecessary boob scenes).
There is also no real reason why stannis is totally different, and other characters as well.
Except you want to imply that they have to dumb things down cause the tv show has to appeal to a wider audience (= a more stupid one), but then again, this is obviously the reason...


You really shouldn't watch the show if you want an exact replica.

I'm very pleased that they are changing things up in unique ways, and I thought the littlefinger scene was excellent in showing that he had Sansa essentially as his loyal little minion without wasting any time at all going into MASSIVE detail about it.

TV Needs to be entertaining, this doesn't mean your audience is dumb it means they don't need 100 pages or minutes of useless dialog explaining about characters that they will NEVER see again (Meaning, all the lords of the vale!).

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Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
June 03 2014 12:48 GMT
#10206
On June 03 2014 07:29 Cynry wrote:
Do you guys think we will get to see :
-the fights at the Wall
-Tyrion's escape and Tywin's death
-lady Stoneheart
-probably more that I forgot about

All in last 2 episodes ? That could fit, but damn, seems like a lot to condense to match the book's ending...


I think we will see all of it. My bet is that Lady Stoneheart is the cliffhanger of this season.
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 03 2014 12:50 GMT
#10207
On June 03 2014 21:48 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 07:29 Cynry wrote:
Do you guys think we will get to see :
-the fights at the Wall
-Tyrion's escape and Tywin's death
-lady Stoneheart
-probably more that I forgot about

All in last 2 episodes ? That could fit, but damn, seems like a lot to condense to match the book's ending...


I think we will see all of it. My bet is that Lady Stoneheart is the cliffhanger of this season.

Yeah, the reveal likely be the end of the final episode this season. Episode 9 will be largely dominated by the battle at the wall.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
June 03 2014 12:52 GMT
#10208
On June 03 2014 10:44 GwSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 09:48 cosine wrote:
On June 03 2014 08:10 Sentenal wrote:
Dany just sorta flounders about, unable to do anything for a long time. She can't really do anything in her city because all the nobles there hate her/want to use her. So I guess getting stalled there for a really long time is a setback? The most recent book actually had stuff happen with her, when her Dragons finally get big, they go on a rampage after... I forget his name, one of the Dornish princes went to court her/bring her back to Westeros, thought that if he could tame one of her Dragons that she would fall for him, and gets his head melted. So the aftermath of this has her Dragons going on a rampage, and eventually when the shit really hits the fan with that (her city trying to kill her dragons), Dany hops onto the biggest one, and flies off with it. She ends up in the middle of a Dothraki horde with her Dragon, last we saw.

Oh man, Emilia Clarke jumping on a cgi dragon and flying away is going to look so cheesy. I can't wait. Hopefully we get a Bastian/Falcor style shot as she flies away screaming "Mother of Draaaaaaaagoooooooons!"

Speaking of Dorne, is it ever a setting in the book? I suppose for the show they'll just film wherever they film Essos scenes, since it seems like it's suppose to be a sandy/sunny place, but I'll be interested to see the "architecture" and set design.


Yeah Dorne is a setting in the 4th and 5th books. I guess they could shoot in the same area, Dorne is supposed to be a mix of mountains/desert but I guess they could always go with CGI.


I hope they skip Dorne entirely and GRRM just goes "Oops my bad none of them actually matter in the grand scheme of things"
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
June 03 2014 12:52 GMT
#10209
I think I read somewhere that this season is different in that the big action scene is not in EP9 but EP10. Seeing the buildup it makes sense too - attack on castle black Ep9, the battle EP10.
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way2mash4u
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany183 Posts
June 03 2014 12:58 GMT
#10210
On June 03 2014 21:52 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 10:44 GwSC wrote:
On June 03 2014 09:48 cosine wrote:
On June 03 2014 08:10 Sentenal wrote:
Dany just sorta flounders about, unable to do anything for a long time. She can't really do anything in her city because all the nobles there hate her/want to use her. So I guess getting stalled there for a really long time is a setback? The most recent book actually had stuff happen with her, when her Dragons finally get big, they go on a rampage after... I forget his name, one of the Dornish princes went to court her/bring her back to Westeros, thought that if he could tame one of her Dragons that she would fall for him, and gets his head melted. So the aftermath of this has her Dragons going on a rampage, and eventually when the shit really hits the fan with that (her city trying to kill her dragons), Dany hops onto the biggest one, and flies off with it. She ends up in the middle of a Dothraki horde with her Dragon, last we saw.

Oh man, Emilia Clarke jumping on a cgi dragon and flying away is going to look so cheesy. I can't wait. Hopefully we get a Bastian/Falcor style shot as she flies away screaming "Mother of Draaaaaaaagoooooooons!"

Speaking of Dorne, is it ever a setting in the book? I suppose for the show they'll just film wherever they film Essos scenes, since it seems like it's suppose to be a sandy/sunny place, but I'll be interested to see the "architecture" and set design.


Yeah Dorne is a setting in the 4th and 5th books. I guess they could shoot in the same area, Dorne is supposed to be a mix of mountains/desert but I guess they could always go with CGI.


I hope they skip Dorne entirely and GRRM just goes "Oops my bad none of them actually matter in the grand scheme of things"


What? Dorne will be awesome for the show and it's necessary to bring the Martells into play.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 03 2014 12:58 GMT
#10211
On June 03 2014 21:44 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 06:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 03 2014 05:48 Conti wrote:
You have to be very naive to expect the plot to go into this much detail on a TV show. A lot of people here simply flat out ignore the challenges and restrictions that exist in making a TV show adaption of a book series, and pretend that the writers and producers could have just as likely create a 1:1 adaption of the books with literally zero changes. That's just not how it works.

Yes, the books did it better. No, the show couldn't have done it just like that.

That is such a dead argument...
Nobody asks for a 1:1 adaption, it is simply not possible time wise.
But why change things that wouldn't take more time? There are little things like Oberyn mentioning he was in Casterly Rock with his father instead of his mother (but even this is just a retarded change), but there are also bigger things like ADDING extra scenes that are just plain stupid (bran, asha) instead of developing other storylines further (not to mention the unnecessary boob scenes).
There is also no real reason why stannis is totally different, and other characters as well.
Except you want to imply that they have to dumb things down cause the tv show has to appeal to a wider audience (= a more stupid one), but then again, this is obviously the reason...


You really shouldn't watch the show if you want an exact replica.

I'm very pleased that they are changing things up in unique ways, and I thought the littlefinger scene was excellent in showing that he had Sansa essentially as his loyal little minion without wasting any time at all going into MASSIVE detail about it.

TV Needs to be entertaining, this doesn't mean your audience is dumb it means they don't need 100 pages or minutes of useless dialog explaining about characters that they will NEVER see again (Meaning, all the lords of the vale!).


And you shouldn't reply if you don't even read the second sentence.
I don't care if it is fine for you that they make littlefinger into a retard who is just lucky that he isn't dead yet. This is just completely different from the books and it makes very little sense character wise.
Also the reveal of Sansa makes no sense to me either (just like Arya), you would think that it is a bad idea, but hey the show oftentimes changes things without being smart about the bigger picture.
I think my main argument is pretty spot on, as soon as they change things from the books they oftentimes don't really care about the big picture and only care for the "nice moment", well yeah... meh

Obviously that is a problem for tv shows in general, but do i have to like it cause of that?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
June 03 2014 13:40 GMT
#10212
On June 03 2014 21:48 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 07:29 Cynry wrote:
Do you guys think we will get to see :
-the fights at the Wall
-Tyrion's escape and Tywin's death
-lady Stoneheart
-probably more that I forgot about

All in last 2 episodes ? That could fit, but damn, seems like a lot to condense to match the book's ending...


I think we will see all of it. My bet is that Lady Stoneheart is the cliffhanger of this season.


Yeah I think so too.

The Sansa/Littlefinger plot is pretty much done.
The Theon plot is also done.
The Daenerys plot is probably largely done for this season? Maybe some Missandei/Grey worm shenanigans to please the viewers.
Arya and the hound, who knows, their quest for the vale is done but now the hound needs to die somewhere. Probably 1 or 2 more scenes?

And that would leave the wall, Tyrion's escape, and Brienne as the plots that get focused on in these last 2 episodes.
Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
June 03 2014 13:48 GMT
#10213
Yeah I think they are gonna gave brienne meet lady stoneheart as the cliff hangar here, her plot line is pretty well advanced with regards to the rest of the plots.
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Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 03 2014 13:48 GMT
#10214
Guess it makes sense. First, battle of Castle Black vs wildlings, cliffhanger with the 100K army marching on, then resolve in the last episode.
Everything else is easier to fit. Tyrion's escape would need to be dragged on to get to the last episode, but I don't see that happening in ep. 9.
Lady Stoneheart as this season's cliffhanger makes sense.
Can't remember what happen with Brienne, nothing major I think ?

Anyway, can't wait !
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
June 03 2014 13:50 GMT
#10215
On June 03 2014 22:40 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 21:48 Figgy wrote:
On June 03 2014 07:29 Cynry wrote:
Do you guys think we will get to see :
-the fights at the Wall
-Tyrion's escape and Tywin's death
-lady Stoneheart
-probably more that I forgot about

All in last 2 episodes ? That could fit, but damn, seems like a lot to condense to match the book's ending...


I think we will see all of it. My bet is that Lady Stoneheart is the cliffhanger of this season.


Yeah I think so too.

The Sansa/Littlefinger plot is pretty much done.
The Theon plot is also done.
The Daenerys plot is probably largely done for this season? Maybe some Missandei/Grey worm shenanigans to please the viewers.
Arya and the hound, who knows, their quest for the vale is done but now the hound needs to die somewhere. Probably 1 or 2 more scenes?

And that would leave the wall, Tyrion's escape, and Brienne as the plots that get focused on in these last 2 episodes.

Balon Greyjoy dying. Yara being recalled to the islands. Bran meeting the Children. Arya sets sail for Braavos.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
June 03 2014 13:52 GMT
#10216
On June 03 2014 22:48 Cynry wrote:
Guess it makes sense. First, battle of Castle Black vs wildlings, cliffhanger with the 100K army marching on, then resolve in the last episode.
Everything else is easier to fit. Tyrion's escape would need to be dragged on to get to the last episode, but I don't see that happening in ep. 9.
Lady Stoneheart as this season's cliffhanger makes sense.
Can't remember what happen with Brienne, nothing major I think ?

Anyway, can't wait !


Brienne meets lady stoneheart at some point, I think that may be how they introduce her this season.

In the books, lady stoneheart first hangs 2 random Freys, they might choose to go with that too.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
June 03 2014 13:54 GMT
#10217
On June 03 2014 22:50 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 22:40 Laurens wrote:
On June 03 2014 21:48 Figgy wrote:
On June 03 2014 07:29 Cynry wrote:
Do you guys think we will get to see :
-the fights at the Wall
-Tyrion's escape and Tywin's death
-lady Stoneheart
-probably more that I forgot about

All in last 2 episodes ? That could fit, but damn, seems like a lot to condense to match the book's ending...


I think we will see all of it. My bet is that Lady Stoneheart is the cliffhanger of this season.


Yeah I think so too.

The Sansa/Littlefinger plot is pretty much done.
The Theon plot is also done.
The Daenerys plot is probably largely done for this season? Maybe some Missandei/Grey worm shenanigans to please the viewers.
Arya and the hound, who knows, their quest for the vale is done but now the hound needs to die somewhere. Probably 1 or 2 more scenes?

And that would leave the wall, Tyrion's escape, and Brienne as the plots that get focused on in these last 2 episodes.

Balon Greyjoy dying. Yara being recalled to the islands. Bran meeting the Children. Arya sets sail for Braavos.


Ah yeah Bran could have some more scenes, I forgot about him.
I don't think Balon Greyjoy and Yara will take up much time.
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 03 2014 13:55 GMT
#10218
So I guess I read that and forgot. I'm only at half A Feast of Crows. Finding it hard to progress as focused characters changed so much and are pretty meh compared to the first 3...
NeoGeoOdin
Profile Joined October 2011
Colombia140 Posts
June 03 2014 13:56 GMT
#10219
On June 03 2014 22:48 Cynry wrote:

Can't remember what happen with Brienne, nothing major I think ?



In an interview she says that se bites someones ear, and i hoped it to happen in e8, but it dindt, so mostly gona happend at e10, i have a insteresting prediction, Arya/Hound and Brienne/Pod gona find in some random tabern, without noticing, fight erupts the hound gets even worse and they separate i think,
Brienne encounter LSH, and Arya goes in a ship to Braavos.

Brienne meeting LSH would be te most probably thing to happend, and showing her hanging Brienne like the final scene would be fantastic if most.
Azza
Profile Joined June 2010
China650 Posts
June 03 2014 13:57 GMT
#10220
Who's lady stoneheart again? It's been a long time since I've read the books.
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