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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
June 03 2014 15:27 GMT
#10241
On June 04 2014 00:23 0x64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 23:09 Nebuchad wrote:
It seems they will end on LSH, especially since there's a documentary on "the business of Game of Thrones" where they ask a dude who's been involved with the show to tease something, and he says "a character you don't expect will come back". I think it makes perfect sense to end the season on that reveal, but I'm not sure I agree with involving Brienne, that puts her at the end of her known story a little soon when compared to the rest of Westeros.


Maybe Oberyn is not dead :D? (The ultimate I would not expect him to be back...)




Seems likely.
11 years and counting- TL #680
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
June 03 2014 15:47 GMT
#10242
Heres what I think we'll get in the last 2 eps this season;
- Attack on the wall and Ygritte's death (ep9), plus the rout caused by Stannis (ep10)
- Tyrion's escape and death of Tywin
- The Hound's "death" and Arya getting on a boat
- Bran and co meet the children of the forest

Heres what I hope we get but am not sure will happen
- Shae's strangling
- Coldhands and Bloodraven
- Stoneheart reveal
- Varys saying something awesome while helping Tyrion

Are they definately doing both dance and feast next season? Lots to get through still.
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HyDrA_solic
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Portugal491 Posts
June 03 2014 15:55 GMT
#10243
Brienne still has to go to that tiny island of the faith. Where she (maybe) meets the retired-Hound.
It's all about the reflections of freedom. Even though he hoped for a better world, with all his strenght, all his will, the most he could do was to make her smile.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 16:04:19
June 03 2014 16:03 GMT
#10244
On June 04 2014 00:47 TheFish7 wrote:
Heres what I think we'll get in the last 2 eps this season;
- Attack on the wall and Ygritte's death (ep9), plus the rout caused by Stannis (ep10)
- Tyrion's escape and death of Tywin
- The Hound's "death" and Arya getting on a boat
- Bran and co meet the children of the forest

Heres what I hope we get but am not sure will happen
- Shae's strangling
- Coldhands and Bloodraven
- Stoneheart reveal
- Varys saying something awesome while helping Tyrion

Are they definately doing both dance and feast next season? Lots to get through still.


Bloodraven has been cast, so he will appear. Coldhands, I doubt it. I really, really want him to show up, but I'm afraid they've cut him entirely.

Shae will be strangled. There is a scene of her we have yet to see. It was in the preview: she was lying on a red fancy bed, and rose up suddenly as though someone just came in her room. Pretty sure that is Tywin's bed, with Tyrion coming in to kill her and Tywin. If I recall, she even had a pretty gold chain...

Varys... Well, it's Varys. He'll say something amazing for sure. We may even get a reveal/hint at Aegon, given the prior scene between Oberyn and Varys this season.

@HyDrA, I'd like that, but I feel like that can be cut entirely. If it is featured, it might tell us something about the relevance of Sandor's future.
I like words.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
June 03 2014 16:11 GMT
#10245
On June 03 2014 23:57 Laurens wrote:
Brienne's plot is done though. They don't have anything to show from her in season 5, other than the meeting with Cat.

So we won't see much of her in season 5 either way, unless they keep making random stuff up. (which is a good possibility to be fair)



Her Feast for Crows plot has barely even started, though it's already been changed so much that it's hard to say how "far" along she is as it will have to be significantly changed at this point.

Here is the summary of Feast and Dance:

Brienne begins her search at Duskendale, where she allows Podrick Payne, the squire of Lady Sansa's husband Tyrion Lannister, to join her quest. She also has her shield repainted to the arms of Ser Duncan the Tall. She thinks of Lady Catelyn and what she had told Brienne of her daughters. She swears to Catelyn’s restless shade that she will never stop looking for Sansa.


That's about as far as what she has accomplished in the show

Her next stop is at Maidenpool, which she only enters with the unwanted aid of Ser Hyle Hunt, one of the knights who had mockingly courted her in Renly's camp. There she finds Lord Randyll Tarly dispensing justice; he begrudgingly allows her to continue her search. At a tavern she meets Nimble Dick Crabb, who leads her after "a fool" (whom she believes is Dontos Hollard, who might have Sansa with him).


Of course in the show they found the gem Littlefinger smashed that Sansa was wearing, that Littlefinger threw on the boat that had Dontas' body, so presumably they found Ser Dontas, and there is no Shagwell the Fool.


Traveling through Crackclaw Point, the trio arrive at the Whispers, the ruined hall of Nimble Dick's ancestors, encountering a band of Brave Companions remnants led by the fool, who is actually Shagwell, the psychotic jester. Shagwell kills Nimble Dick. Using Oathkeeper, Brienne manages to kill Pyg and Timeon, and forces Shagwell to dig a grave for Dick; she kills him as well when he turns on her. After the fight Ser Hyle Hunt joins her party, having followed her from Maidenpool.

Following the sellswords' information, Brienne heads back to the Riverlands to find Sandor Clegane, who was reported to be with a girl, unbeknownst to her to be the wrong daughter. At Maidenpool they join with Meribald, an itinerant septon, who accompanies them to Saltpans. From there she visits the nearby Quiet Isle, where the Elder Brother assures her that the Hound is dead.


and we see the hooded man who many assume is the Hound, along with his horse.

At a crossroads near the Trident, Brienne fights another group of Brave Companions led by Rorge, who has been masquerading as Sandor while raping and murdering in the Riverlands. Brienne kills Rorge, but is grievously wounded by Biter, who chews the flesh off her cheek. After Gendry rescues her from Biter, he and the remaining members of the Brotherhood Without Banners take her captive.


Biter and Rorge are already dead in the show to Arya and the Hound.

The undead Catelyn Stark, now leading the Brotherhood as "Lady Stoneheart", does not believe Brienne's tale of her search for Sansa and judges her to be a traitor who is serving the Lannisters. Brienne was given the choice of killing Jaime Lannister to prove her loyalty, or to hang. Brienne refuses to choose and is sentenced to hang. After seeing Podrick Payne hanging near her, she shouts a single unknown word as they are about to do the same to her.


A Dance with Dragons

Brienne appears briefly at Pennytree when Jaime camps there, whatever word she shouted apparently making the Brotherhood spare her. She asks Jaime to help her save Sansa Stark from the Hound, claiming they are a day's ride away. She tells Jaime, however, that he must go with her alone, or the Hound will kill Sansa. The scenario she describes, however, seems unlikely to be real, as Sansa was last seen by readers in the Vale and the Hound is apparently dead.



Now they could just cut to her being hung by Lady Stoneheart, but it makes you wonder what they are going to do with her for the next 2 books worth of material? It appears they are on pace to make Dance and Feast smashed into one season, which will allow it to really focus on highlights, but certainly puts GRRM on an unrealistic schedule to finish. I mean it's fairly unrealistic to expect him to stay ahead of them if they spent 2 seasons on feast and dance, with one season, it's virtually impossible. I always expected Brienne's story to be greatly condensed, and it's one change that is for the better, but I also expected to leave the action highlights, which seems unlikely now. Perhaps she is cut for a season all together though, the actress was just signed to play a role in Star Wars.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12502 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 17:15:20
June 03 2014 17:14 GMT
#10246
Anyone else thinks Brienne might "kill" the Hound? She has to fight someone before the end of the season based on her comment about biting an ear off, and I don't see the impact of having her fight random people in a scene, I think she has to make a significant encounter.
No will to live, no wish to die
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
June 03 2014 17:20 GMT
#10247
On June 04 2014 02:14 Nebuchad wrote:
Anyone else thinks Brienne might "kill" the Hound? She has to fight someone before the end of the season based on her comment about biting an ear off, and I don't see the impact of having her fight random people in a scene, I think she has to make a significant encounter.

I still think the Hound will be champion of the faith in Cercei's trial vs her champion Robert Strong (his brother). Might be wrong of course.

Maybe Brienne will fight to free Jaimie.
Off-season = best season
Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
June 03 2014 17:44 GMT
#10248
On June 04 2014 02:20 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 02:14 Nebuchad wrote:
Anyone else thinks Brienne might "kill" the Hound? She has to fight someone before the end of the season based on her comment about biting an ear off, and I don't see the impact of having her fight random people in a scene, I think she has to make a significant encounter.

I still think the Hound will be champion of the faith in Cercei's trial vs her champion Robert Strong (his brother). Might be wrong of course.

Maybe Brienne will fight to free Jaimie.


They made a point of mentioning the flesh wound that the Hound has in the last episode (Arya: "You should have let me burn it."), so I think that will play in somewhere down the road.
Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
June 03 2014 18:50 GMT
#10249
On June 04 2014 02:20 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 02:14 Nebuchad wrote:
Anyone else thinks Brienne might "kill" the Hound? She has to fight someone before the end of the season based on her comment about biting an ear off, and I don't see the impact of having her fight random people in a scene, I think she has to make a significant encounter.

I still think the Hound will be champion of the faith in Cercei's trial vs her champion Robert Strong (his brother). Might be wrong of course.

Maybe Brienne will fight to free Jaimie.


Oh wow that would be so awesome. Sandor THE MANDOR.
Push 2 Harder
shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
June 03 2014 18:57 GMT
#10250
CLEGANEBOWL!!!!!!
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
June 03 2014 19:00 GMT
#10251
On June 04 2014 03:57 shark. wrote:
CLEGANEBOWL!!!!!!


This needs to happen
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
June 04 2014 03:56 GMT
#10252
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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 05:07:15
June 04 2014 04:38 GMT
#10253
I didn't realize there was a thread for the book too >_>

One thing that really struck me from A Storm of Swords vs early Season 4 of the show is the fate of the Hound. In the book, he is left to die of his infected wounds after the fight at the inn, whereas in Season 4, he comes out perfectly fine. Quite a significant difference. In the show, Sandor does later on get bitten on the neck. We'll see if the show gets spun in a way where this gets infected and kills him.
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
June 04 2014 05:37 GMT
#10254
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
June 04 2014 05:59 GMT
#10255
On June 04 2014 00:55 HyDrA_solic wrote:
Brienne still has to go to that tiny island of the faith. Where she (maybe) meets the retired-Hound.


I doubt that happens until next season.

Brienne, Cersei, the Wall, and Daenaerys will be the main focus of next season.

Tyrion will likely only make minor appearances.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 04 2014 06:50 GMT
#10256
On June 04 2014 14:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 00:55 HyDrA_solic wrote:
Brienne still has to go to that tiny island of the faith. Where she (maybe) meets the retired-Hound.


I doubt that happens until next season.

Brienne, Cersei, the Wall, and Daenaerys will be the main focus of next season.

Tyrion will likely only make minor appearances.

i fear for the next season if so
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4635 Posts
June 04 2014 07:11 GMT
#10257
I really hope Tyrion disappears for the whole season to screw the viewers like the book reader.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
June 04 2014 07:20 GMT
#10258
On June 04 2014 16:11 0x64 wrote:
I really hope Tyrion disappears for the whole season to screw the viewers like the book reader.


I was thinking about that too, but I dont think they can afford it.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 04 2014 07:26 GMT
#10259
http://vimeo.com/97143131
Audition tape for Obara Sand.
Possible spoiler for season 5!
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SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
June 04 2014 08:16 GMT
#10260
On June 04 2014 16:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
http://vimeo.com/97143131
Audition tape for Obara Sand.
Possible spoiler for season 5!


possible spoiler for the next book?

hmm so im not sure where they're gonna wrap up this season. Possibly the big fight in the north and Tyrion escaping Kings Landing. Not sure if they'll get to to the King's Moot, Blackfish, Arya to Braavos (they'll probably end it with her leaving westeros), Bran's happy tree friends, Lady Stoneheart...

Many loose ends and by next season most of the show viewers wont be able to remember half the story lines.
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