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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 04 2014 08:20 GMT
#10261
No, the "spoiler" is about D&D mentioning a series regular will fight against Obara next season
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Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
June 04 2014 09:00 GMT
#10262
On June 04 2014 17:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
No, the "spoiler" is about D&D mentioning a series regular will fight against Obara next season


but not one who is in the books iirc.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
June 04 2014 11:55 GMT
#10263
On June 04 2014 16:11 0x64 wrote:
I really hope Tyrion disappears for the whole season to screw the viewers like the book reader.

Hah. That would be fun, wouldn't it? But nah. Even if the events wouldn't happen simultaneously in the two books, they'd have made damn sure that their main actor remains in every episode. Especially with Tywin gone next season, who else do people have to cheer for?
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
June 04 2014 12:20 GMT
#10264
Jaime, of course
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
June 04 2014 13:50 GMT
#10265
On June 04 2014 15:50 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 14:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 04 2014 00:55 HyDrA_solic wrote:
Brienne still has to go to that tiny island of the faith. Where she (maybe) meets the retired-Hound.


I doubt that happens until next season.

Brienne, Cersei, the Wall, and Daenaerys will be the main focus of next season.

Tyrion will likely only make minor appearances.

i fear for the next season if so


I forgot about Dorne and the Ironborn and Arya in Braavos. There's a lot of content they can work with there as well.

I suppose they COULD also accelerate Tyrion's storyline the way they have with Dany to include him next season, and now that I think about it makes sense for them to do that since we can be pretty sure that we'll close this season with him escaping King's Landing.
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NeoGeoOdin
Profile Joined October 2011
Colombia140 Posts
June 04 2014 14:01 GMT
#10266
On June 04 2014 22:50 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 15:50 Geo.Rion wrote:
On June 04 2014 14:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 04 2014 00:55 HyDrA_solic wrote:
Brienne still has to go to that tiny island of the faith. Where she (maybe) meets the retired-Hound.


I doubt that happens until next season.

Brienne, Cersei, the Wall, and Daenaerys will be the main focus of next season.

Tyrion will likely only make minor appearances.

i fear for the next season if so


I forgot about Dorne and the Ironborn and Arya in Braavos. There's a lot of content they can work with there as well.

I suppose they COULD also accelerate Tyrion's storyline the way they have with Dany to include him next season, and now that I think about it makes sense for them to do that since we can be pretty sure that we'll close this season with him escaping King's Landing.


This its something im woory about, at this point there are just to much stuff happenind everywhere that its going to be dificult to make a good story arc without the feeling that its has been rushed, lets see:

Kings Lading
Wall
North of the wall
Winterfell
Brienne
Iron Isles
Dorne
Bravos
Tyrion (wich going to pentos to Meeren, mixed with Jorah)
Sam (Wall to Oldtown)

and later on
Jon Con
Victarion(Althou i hear they gona mix Victarion and Euron... =()
Quentyn
Jaime, when he leaves KL

IDN, i can clearly see they making two more season with AFFC and ADWD

IMO, would be nice if to end of S5 they revealed the indentitie of Aegon and Quentyn, previously known as Young Griff and "the Frog" lol
Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
June 04 2014 14:14 GMT
#10267
You guys are forgetting that A feast for crows and A dance with dragons happen alongside one another. So the first half of a Dance and A feast for crows are all done parallel to one another. So in terms of the show you will have tyrion plot/arya in bravos/Bran/dany/Dorne/Iron islands/ The wall all happening at once. As opposed to when we read them in a different book.

Basically what I am saying is the stories in Dance will happen alongside the stories of A feast so we will still have tyrion in the next season
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
June 04 2014 14:28 GMT
#10268
Well they've already accelerated the timeline quite dramatically with Dany's arc, so that point while true is kinda irrelevant at this point.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 14:47:46
June 04 2014 14:43 GMT
#10269
The events of Dance and Feast are definitely going to happen concurrently in the show, it's just a matter of whether they do it over one season or two. There is enough material to make it into 2, but they have rushed some of the story lines or significantly altered them already. A pet peeve of mine is when they rush a character's story line because "there isn't enough time to fit everything 1:1 from the book", then they have to make up new original stories like to "give the something to do". The potential for that sort of scenes is very high with Brienne and Sansa/Littlefinger at this point. Technically Brienne could be seen to be at a rough translation of where she was at the start of Feast for Crows when she finally meets up with Pod, but with no Shagwell the Fool to confront, and Biter and Rorge already dead, only the visit to the Queit Isle where we get the clue that perhaps the Hound isn't dead after all is really interesting in her story until she meets Lady Stoneheart, which is the end of her story line in feast for crows.

When we debated why they don't have time to follow the whole lords of the vale challenging Littlefinger and how he has some of them on his payroll, it kind of ignores the fact that they covered virtually the entirety of Sansa's storyline from Feast for Crows in a ~6 minute scene. They have cut any seizures by Robyn and haven't particularly made him sickly or shown Sansa taking care of him, and the only event of importance left from her or Littlefinger's story line is Petyr revealing his plans to Sansa for eventual marriage to the Arryn heir after Robert, Harrold Hardyng, and an eventual plan to reveal her true identity and to reclaim Winterfell in her name, which will likely be skipped or significantly rewritten since she has already revealed her true identity.

This seems to point to Feast and Dance being condensed into one season, as I have no idea what she or Littlefinger would do for two seasons of content. Likely either steal stuff from Winds of Winter, or lots of original scenes to give them something to do because they wanted to rush thru what was already there... Unless by some miracle Winds is released before next season, we won't really know for sure which stuff is original and which is based on the books.

That being said there are a TON of story lines between the 2 books, and even if some of them are less interesting than others to many readers, is Brienne's wandering really any less interesting than what the writers have had Arya and the Hound do this season? Lots of repetitive scenes that go no where with an occasional flash of violence.



Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
June 04 2014 15:02 GMT
#10270
I actually very much enjoyed Brienne's quest in FFC. It felt like a true Knight's tale except that the protagonist is a woman.

In a book that usually puts things in such a huge picture, Brienne's arc felt very refreshing as if it was from a completely different story.

There's a lot they can do with it.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 15:40:50
June 04 2014 15:25 GMT
#10271
I liked it, but it is one of the most frequently complained about parts of Feast by many. How much of it is even possible to do now with no Shagwell, no Rorge and no Biter? Just the wandering around, meeting Sir Hyle who probably won't be cast, meeting Nimble Dick, who with no Shagwell and everyone knowing Dontas is dead, has no end game; meeting Randyl Tarly, who probably won't be cast, and meeting the brothers at the Queit Isle, who may or may not be cast. I guess she could have similar encounters with no name bandits, but it makes me wonder why they killed Rorge and Biter so uncermoniously in that case. So it seems most likely that if they don't skip everything and just have her meet Lady Stoneheart, there will be alot of original scenes they will have to write, which in general I have not been impressed with their efforts.

Likewise Bran doesn't have much left in his storyline. The deserters are already dead, so no need for Coldhands to kill them, so Coldhands likely won't be cast. They escape from the wights into the Three Eyed Crow's cave, meet Leaf (who likely won't be cast), who leads them to the Three Eyed Crow, and then he starts to learn from the Three Eyed Crow, but that hardly seems like 1-2 seasons worth of material, which could be fine if they were to use that extra time to use on other characters, but if they have to make new scenes to "give the actors something to do", then it kind of defeats the purpose of rushing.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
June 04 2014 16:43 GMT
#10272
An audition tape for season 5 has appeared, and it contains a major deviation from the books. Take this with a big grain of salt, though, as the writers can always change their mind, and this might mean nothing. But still..
+ Show Spoiler +
Here you go. Basically, Jaime will be going to Dorne instead of the Riverlands, and it will most likely be him who fights Obara (who was rumored to have a fight with a "significant character" in Season 5).

In the books, Jaime just hangs out in the Riverlands at that point in the story. And given that the Riverlands are entirely irrelevant in the show, it makes sense to not suddenly put any focus on it for Season 5. Sending Jaime to Dorne (perhaps as a plea from Cersei to get Myrcella back?) will introduce a familiar character to a new place that has countless new characters, so it makes perfect sense from a (TV show) writing standpoint. Jaime himself didn't do anything of significance in the Riverlands (assuming that they will continue to be irrelevant in the show), so they might as well have him do something else that connects with the main plots. And for Cersei's plot it doesn't matter where Jaime is, as long as he's too far away to help her when she gets in trouble (plus the sweet irony of her having sent him away in the first place..). The only issue I see is with Brienne, and how she'll be able to lure Jaime towards UnCat. But since characters have magically teleported long distances in the show before, well..

To be honest, I love the change, and I can't wait to see Jaime interacting with various characters in Dorne.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
June 04 2014 17:10 GMT
#10273
It's kind of the stuff I'm worried about going forward. How do you even have the same Dorne plot line if Jaime is there? What role is he filling? Arys Oakheart? Besides Jaime can't fight anyone with even mediocre competance and hope to win in the books. Most likely it will be much like Asha/Yara's "rescue" of Theon... Scenes that happen to give actors screen time, then they magically teleport back to where they are "supposed to be" and everyone pretends like that scene never happened as far as how it should change other things in the story. Otherwise it seems they would have to do a complete rewrite of Dorne's story line, at which point you kind of have to wonder what the point of including them is?
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 17:37:02
June 04 2014 17:36 GMT
#10274
Gotta admit, one-handed Jaime would not stand a chance against Obara Sand. Or any of the Sand Snakes for that matter.

Maybe they will speed up his "recovery" and turn him into a good swordsman again. I get the feeling Jaime will eventually be a good swordsman with his left hand. I even think that was the whole purpose of Qhorin Halfhand - a very convenient character that one, who was a living proof that one could survive for long periods of time beyond the Wall (hello Benjen Stark), and also that is was possible to learn swordfighting with your offhand.
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TArujo
Profile Joined September 2009
Portugal1687 Posts
June 04 2014 17:59 GMT
#10275
Don't take that audition to seriously because i remember last year an audition with some made up text, made to get the most from the actor so they used texts that involved a great range of emotions. They do this in almost every major movie to prevent leaks so it wouldn't surprise me they did the same here
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 18:09:24
June 04 2014 18:08 GMT
#10276
I like the change, my guess is he's filling in for Ser Balon to retrieve Myrcella and/or deliver the skull of the Mountain. They don't necessarily need Jamie for the Riverlands, but I would think the Siege of Riverrun needs to be addressed by someone. The Blackfish and Edmure have to get camera time somewhere down the line.
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
June 04 2014 18:36 GMT
#10277
On June 04 2014 13:38 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
We'll see if the show gets spun in a way where this gets infected and kills him.


I think it's a given at this point the bite is infected and will kill him. That's why they played up the bit about him being afraid of fire and not letting arya burn it. He's now going to die because of his fear of fire.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 19:18:17
June 04 2014 19:17 GMT
#10278
did anyone notice a girl dwarf during the purple wedding? i wonder if tyrion will get linked with penny, or would it just be jorah and tyrion. i suspected she would be shown a frame or something but i dont recall a female dwarf being there. at least not blatantly.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
June 04 2014 19:20 GMT
#10279
At least one of the dwaves had their face covered the whole time, no doubt so they didn't have to cast a specific actor to play Penny until next season (assuming she isn't cut from the story).
shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
June 04 2014 20:57 GMT
#10280
I'm really confused about what they are doing with the Iron island stuff. They cut Victorian and Balon should be dead with Euron shown by now. If they cut or merge characters I will be so pissed. Surely they gotta have it all happen at some point with Eurons' Dragon horn etc.

I get they need to sort their screen time out so that they don't lose actors as the series goes on but I feel they are dodging important parts of the story to do so.
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