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On June 02 2014 13:22 Kiett wrote: Man... As soon as The Mountain tripped Oberyn, I closed my eyes to wait for it to be over. The screams though, his screams and the squishing sounds and the crunch were just awful. Then I was dumb enough to open my eyes when Tywin started sentencing Tyrion and the show pans to Oberyn lying there with his head smashed in and I threw up a little in my mouth.
Fuck.
I thought the worst was when he screams at the top of his lungs and his mouth and teeth are all horribly mangled. Brutal
On June 02 2014 13:40 sc2holar wrote: I do have to say this duel happening in the first place never made sense to me. Tywin should have seen this coming and stopped the Mountain from championing for Cersei. This was a political disaster, and there was literary no reason to risk having Oberyn step into the ring.
In the books, Tywin didn't know Oberyn would champion for Tyrion until Cersei declared her champion already. He then spends the rest of the time trying to placate the Tyrells.
I find it a little unbelievable that Litltefinger would kill someone without a layer of protection. I wish they could show Sana a different way (without her revealing she's a Stark).
On June 02 2014 13:40 sc2holar wrote: I do have to say this duel happening in the first place never made sense to me. Tywin should have seen this coming and stopped the Mountain from championing for Cersei. This was a political disaster, and there was literary no reason to risk having Oberyn step into the ring.
In the books, Tywin didn't know Oberyn would champion for Tyrion until Cersei declared her champion already. He then spends the rest of the time trying to placate the Tyrells.
Is anyone else bothered that they don't mention the Martell-Tyrell rivalry at all?
Willas doesn't exist in the show so there was not much to go into. It is only a matter of ancient history between the Reach and Dorne that they don't need to show.
In the show they never established that a potential Oberyn win was a disaster for Tywin so there isn't a need to cover that aspect. The disaster that still exists, and which they will show, is the Oberyn loss. Cue Sandsnakes.
On June 02 2014 14:06 Irrelevant Label wrote: Willas doesn't exist in the show so there was not much to go into. It is only a matter of ancient history between the Reach and Dorne that they don't need to show.
In the show they never established that a potential Oberyn win was a disaster for Tywin so there isn't a need to cover that aspect. The disaster that still exists, and which they will show, is the Oberyn loss. Cue Sandsnakes.
I suppose that's true, it was all essentially inconsequential backstory.
On June 02 2014 13:54 CobaltBlu wrote: I find it a little unbelievable that Litltefinger would kill someone without a layer of protection. I wish they could show Sana a different way (without her revealing she's a Stark).
In the books there is a performer (musical) who gets blamed for the murder. LittleFinger did have a layer of protection, the TV show just made him look more vulnerable than he really was.
LOVE LOVE LOVE the Littlefinger scene. I didn't know how it would of been played off since in the books there is another character introduced and blamed for the murder. The end result is basically the same, which is nice-- and I love how they are slowly slowly making Sansa a little less shitty. (And my God did she look hot in that outfit at the end!) I loved the line "I know what you want". So good, so deep.
And of course, the laugh when the Hound gets told about the death at the bloody gate. Poor girl, poor Hound. I like the Hound, much better in the TV show.
Not to big on what is going on in the wall right now, seems like filler--but I do like the characters up there. I'm really torn with Sam. Part of me hates him for being pathetic, but somehow I feel bad for him and take pity on him.
Finally, Tyrion--- The whole scene I had a smug smile on my face, knowing what was going to happen and when. Well done, I like the directing for this episode. Also many of the good book details were including, including the teeth shattering. The only thing missing was Tyrion puking.
GRRM teaches us that honor doesn't work in the real world. He also reteaches us an age old lesson that all bad guys should take note of: When you have your opponent defeated- FINISH THEM.
On June 02 2014 14:20 GENerateSAYing wrote: LOVE LOVE LOVE the Littlefinger scene. I didn't know how it would of been played off since in the books there is another character introduced and blamed for the murder. The end result is basically the same, which is nice-- and I love how they are slowly slowly making Sansa a little less shitty. (And my God did she look hot in that outfit at the end!) I loved the line "I know what you want". So good, so deep.
And of course, the laugh when the Hound gets told about the death at the bloody gate. Poor girl, poor Hound. I like the Hound, much better in the TV show.
Not to big on what is going on in the wall right now, seems like filler--but I do like the characters up there. I'm really torn with Sam. Part of me hates him for being pathetic, but somehow I feel bad for him and take pity on him.
Finally, Tyrion--- The whole scene I had a smug smile on my face, knowing what was going to happen and when. Well done, I like the directing for this episode. Also many of the good book details were including, including the teeth shattering. The only thing missing was Tyrion puking.
GRRM teaches us that honor doesn't work in the real world. He also reteaches us an age old lesson that all bad guys should take note of: When you have your opponent defeated- FINISH THEM.
Ok so I decided for the first time, since GoT started showing on TV, to go ahead and get myself spoiled. Could anyone tell me what happens with Tyrion in the books after the trial? Is he staying in King's Landing, is he getting executed? or is he fleeing the whole situation?
The Euron and Victarion story could never really bother me as much. Didn't really care for those people, but the last chapter in the book about Victarion caught my attention
On June 02 2014 15:57 sent1nel wrote: Ok so I decided for the first time, since GoT started showing on TV, to go ahead and get myself spoiled. Could anyone tell me what happens with Tyrion in the books after the trial? Is he staying in King's Landing, is he getting executed? or is he fleeing the whole situation?
jamie saves tyrion.
I don't know if you want more to be spoiled but I'd suggest you wait for the episodes because other OMGWTFBBQ stuff happens.
On June 02 2014 15:57 sent1nel wrote: Ok so I decided for the first time, since GoT started showing on TV, to go ahead and get myself spoiled. Could anyone tell me what happens with Tyrion in the books after the trial? Is he staying in King's Landing, is he getting executed? or is he fleeing the whole situation?
This'll be covered next week most likely, otherwise the week after. You shouldn't ask for spoilers, it'll be more awesome if you don't know what's coming. Much more awesome.
Oh boy, reading the tv thread is a blast, lmao. It's funny how people curse GRRM for doing that to Oberyn, only to be introduced to zombieKat and cheer for her the next couple of weeks.
Really wished Oberyn went for a gold medal in Javelin Toss aimed towards Tywin chest when he started pointing at him, as a last final "FUQQ DA POLICE" moment.
On June 02 2014 16:46 Steveling wrote: Oh boy, reading the tv thread is a blast, lmao. It's funny how people curse GRRM for doing that to Oberyn, only to be introduced to zombieKat and cheer for her the next couple of weeks.
good god yes. Sometimes you just want to type:
CHILL THE FUCK OUT EVERYONE! Tywin is going to die a shameful death soon! The Lannisters fall into ruin! Cersei's reign is a total comedy thereafter! Catelyn Stark is back for vengeance! Tyrion lives! Myrcella loses half her face! Dorne is on the rise!
Man. I knew it was coming, and yet I am still crushed.
...Speaking of, I can't believe they did it. I thought it would be much too horrible for the show. Oberyn's screams... Sheesh. It was brilliant, largely due to the scenario and Pedro's acting. The guy playing The Mountain is obviously pretty weak.
But something bugged me: they didn't mention the poison on the spear, and they even replace the spear. Oberyn snaps his before he can break Gregor's skin, so that kind of does away with the poison.
That's kind of a plothole, isn't it? If he doesn't die from poisoning, Qyburn doesn't get to experiment on him, and he doesn't (potentially) become Robert Strong.
Well, I suppose it's minor. They can very well say he was poisoned afterwards.
Pretty good episode overall though.
edit: Special mention to Daenerys. What bad acting... Jorah's betrayal is supposed to terribly wound her, but all I saw was... stone-like anger. I just don't see much good in her acting. Which is odd, she was good in S1, playing the frail fragile little girl...
On June 02 2014 17:15 Spaylz wrote: Man. I knew it was coming, and yet I am still crushed.
...Speaking of, I can't believe they did it. I thought it would be much too horrible for the show. Oberyn's screams... Sheesh. It was brilliant, largely due to the scenario and Pedro's acting. The guy playing The Mountain is obviously pretty weak.
But something bugged me: they didn't mention the poison on the spear, and they even replace the spear. Oberyn snaps his before he can break Gregor's skin, so that kind of does away with the poison.
That's kind of a plothole, isn't it? If he doesn't die from poisoning, Qyburn doesn't get to experiment on him, and he doesn't (potentially) become Robert Strong.
Well, I suppose it's minor. They can very well say he was poisoned afterwards.
Pretty good episode overall though.
edit: Special mention to Daenerys. What bad acting... Jorah's betrayal is supposed to terribly wound her, but all I saw was... stone-like anger. I just don't see much good in her acting. Which is odd, she was good in S1, playing the frail fragile little girl...
Wasn't some kid rubbing some cloth over the point of the first spear ? Could still get poison on it that way and then do the same with the second spear ?
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