EPTIt was comically actually, they said him up with this grand master plan for 2 books and then he finally arrives, and Dany is like "uhm .. no?" and he gets himself toasted. So pointless.
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zatic
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It was comically actually, they said him up with this grand master plan for 2 books and then he finally arrives, and Dany is like "uhm .. no?" and he gets himself toasted. So pointless. | ||
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Parts of the latter books are just bad writing. | ||
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On May 20 2014 20:24 zatic wrote: Quentin is the biggest joke in the book. And since his entire arc is pointless the whole Dorne part could have been cut and everything would play out exactly like it has. It was comically actually, they said him up with this grand master plan for 2 books and then he finally arrives, and Dany is like "uhm .. no?" and he gets himself toasted. So pointless. Well he did set the dragons free, and there are theories that he is not dead. | ||
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On May 20 2014 19:55 Spaylz wrote: Quentyn actually was the only POV that I found utterly useless in ADWD. His arc is pretty pointless, got to admit that. I wouldn't be surprised if he is cut altogether. It would allow them to focus on Arianne, and given her propensity to use her body to get what she wants... It'll give them an excellent excuse for nudity, so I expect them to jump on the occasion. But I agree, most of the made up scenes are bad. The recent ones anyway. The ones from S1, especially between Robert and Cersei, or anything with Robert for that matter, were actually great. S2 was alright too... The scenes between Tywin and Arya were good, but the context was silly. S3/S4 though... So far, the made up scenes are rapidly deteriorating in quality. That is why I am very doubtful of the true quality of the show. I'm not saying it's a piece of cake to make a show when the material is already written, as it does require some work of adaptation, but it does make it smoother and increases the quality. What we are seeing right now suggests that when they run out of written GRRM content, the quality of the show might drop drastically. Time will tell. This is well said. Completely invented scenes in all seasons were always weaker and were getting worse as seasons passed. I also think if they run out of books and have to do it all by themselves, this show is going to be the level of CW shows but with more nudity. | ||
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On May 20 2014 11:17 LostWraithSC wrote: Have you guys heard of this theory, and if so what do you think of it? http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/253zbx/is_daario_reallyspoilers_adwd/ I think Daario = Euron is uncannily sensible, and I can't believe I've never heard it until now. Wow the best theory that I have read. I will try to find a hole other than timeline. | ||
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Japan1743 Posts
On May 20 2014 20:36 [SuNdae] wrote: I facepalmed so hard when Quentyn got himself killed, that practically wasted hours of my life. Like the Brienne-trying-to-find-Sansa storyline, completely skippable. Parts of the latter books are just bad writing. I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's bad writing. It is merely well-written filler, but filler nonetheless. Brienne's storyline leads her to Lady Stoneheart, which eventually drags in Jaime. It's relevant. The irrelevant part was the wandering before, the stuff with Dick Nimble, etc. Some will say irrelevant, others will say it's context story telling, really. We get to learn some history, we learn about the smallfolk, etc. I honestly didn't find it that horrible. | ||
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c0ldfusion
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On May 20 2014 12:10 hzflank wrote: From that thread: in the books Euron has a fleet of 93 ships. In the show, Daario takes the mereenese fleet which happens to consist of 93 ships. Either Daario = Euron, or the show writers are trolling us. Oh shit. That is compelling. I still can't over the counter evidence though, like the fact that Jorah and Barristan should have recognized him and how tight the timing is in the book. | ||
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On May 20 2014 21:09 c0ldfusion wrote: Oh shit. That is compelling. I still can't over the counter evidence though, like the fact that Jorah and Barristan should have recognized him and how tight the timing is in the book. Yeah the one big argument against it is the requirement for a speedboat and a cellphone. How is he going to know when the right time is to skip Mereen for a couple of weeks to attend the King's moot? I could totally see the show makers drop false hints like the 93 ships to fuel popular tinfoil theories. | ||
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also: I don't think that quentin was completey useless. He showed the difficulty of dragon taming, his death will lead to doran not supporting dany, but aegon instead and his complete arc was the "realistic" way of "the young prince is coming to save the princess". I agree that you could do it in less chapters overall, but i don't think that you have to cut his arc completely at all. | ||
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I'm currently in the process of re-reading the books but I'm still in book 1. It's amazing how many extra things you pick up after watching the show, reading all books the first time, reading conspiracy theories.. Like when Ned talks about Jon the wording is put so carefully: "he is my blood" or something like that, not "he is my son". The hope is to finish with book 5 roughly when book 6 comes out and be on top of everything. Better read slowly  | ||
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On May 20 2014 21:24 Laurens wrote: How does Jorah communicate with Varys? Clearly there are ways. Is there actually a timeframe for Meereen, King's moot etc? Like is it ever specified how long Daario is gone? Outside of magic, there are two ways: Ravens and messengers. Raven's can't really cross the narrow sea (and seem not to be used in Essos anyway). That leaves messengers, who also take weeks and months. This is fine for Varys, as he reports on the big picture stuff ("Dany has taken Mereen"). But it won't work for speedboat Daario/Euron, who would need a precise, on time schedule when to leave for which event between Westeros and Essos. | ||
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On May 20 2014 21:24 Laurens wrote: How does Jorah communicate with Varys? Clearly there are ways. Is there actually a timeframe for Meereen, King's moot etc? Like is it ever specified how long Daario is gone? I'm currently in the process of re-reading the books but I'm still in book 1. It's amazing how many extra things you pick up after watching the show, reading all books the first time, reading conspiracy theories.. Like when Ned talks about Jon the wording is put so carefully: "he is my blood" or something like that, not "he is my son". The hope is to finish with book 5 roughly when book 6 comes out and be on top of everything. Better read slowly Yep. I suggest you pay extra attention to everything that comes out of Varys' mouth. Upon a reread, I was amazed by how much he tells without actually telling... | ||
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On May 20 2014 21:42 KOFgokuon wrote: He doesn't need perfect communication to time his arrival home if he hired a faceless man to kill balon, then he would know exactly when to go home Still not a sufficient explanation. This might be entirely from the show, but don't the FM do things on their own time? I doubt you can order them for a specific date. And then that would only time Balon's death. What if the Ironmen fuck around for a while and hold the King's moot two weeks too late? Does he sit around somewhere on the open sea, all the time knowing he will be missed at some point on the other side of the world? On the entire world of ASOIAF there is hardly two places further apart than the Iron Islands and Mereen. How long does Victarion take for the trip, months? A year? Even with a magic speedboat it's just sooooo far. | ||
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Korea (South)2437 Posts
On May 20 2014 20:24 zatic wrote: Quentin is the biggest joke in the book. And since his entire arc is pointless the whole Dorne part could have been cut and everything would play out exactly like it has. It was comically actually, they said him up with this grand master plan for 2 books and then he finally arrives, and Dany is like "uhm .. no?" and he gets himself toasted. So pointless. I thought this myself and had wondered if I had missed something. Like, even back at Dorne those guys just talk and talk and talk and then they go somewhere with Myrcella (yes I don't know how to spell it) and then that gets borked because *maybe* that dude went mental. It's like...well what the fuck has happened, is happening and was supposed to happen? Fucking Dorne man I don't know what that shit was about... | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On May 20 2014 23:17 ToT)OjKa( wrote: I thought this myself and had wondered if I had missed something. Like, even back at Dorne those guys just talk and talk and talk and then they go somewhere with Myrcella (yes I don't know how to spell it) and then that gets borked because *maybe* that dude went mental. It's like...well what the fuck has happened, is happening and was supposed to happen? Fucking Dorne man I don't know what that shit was about... When i read stuff like that i wonder what people think is quality. Sometimes these complaints sound like "euh nobody died and we only had conversation, so obviously it is bad" I don't know man, i really don't want to judge people based on this, but it isn't easy tbh. On May 20 2014 23:18 KOFgokuon wrote: Oh I think the euron = daario theory is stupid don't get me wrong, it's wishful thinking IMO Yeah i agree, people are really crazy about that stuff. daario=benjen=coldhands=euron=jaquen=.... , mance=rhaegar, etc | ||
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