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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and FireClick Here for the spoiler-free thread. |
Fun factoid which I'm not sure came up in this thread (I'm following to many different Game of Thrones threads at once) Oberyn actor first scene of the season was Tyrion jail scene where he tells Tyrion I will become your champion.
It is quite funny that they ended up filming the culmanation of his hatred as his first scene.
As if all the pressure of joining one of TV’s hottest shows wasn’t enough, Pascal’s first day on the Thrones set was a hugely intimidating seven-minute crucial scene with Tyrion, who is played by Emmy-winner Peter Dinklage. “It was just intense pressure for a guy who hasn’t been on the show before, and he’s coming over and doing a brand new character and this is his first scene,” says Benioff. Fellow showrunner Dan Weiss jokes: “Welcome to the show, here’s your costume, now summarize the emotional apotheosis of your character — go!” and then more seriously adds, “It took a long time to convince him that he actually had gotten it more than right.”
source at Entertainment Weekly
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How would everyone feel if the show let Oberyn win the fight and live?  Show Oberyn is much better, he doesn't deserve to die T_T.
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holy shit...good find.
I mean I think Daario is actually a piece of shit and will end up stabbing Dany in the back somehow, but I never made that kind of connection.
I dunno, I just think there has to be some lesson to be had in her banishing Jorah, one of her most loyal men. Yet she keeps a man of such dubious character close by out of lust.
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From that thread: in the books Euron has a fleet of 93 ships. In the show, Daario takes the mereenese fleet which happens to consist of 93 ships.
Either Daario = Euron, or the show writers are trolling us.
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"Say her name !"
Man, I'm going to be so sad when he dies again 
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On May 20 2014 07:35 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2014 07:20 -Archangel- wrote:On May 20 2014 05:48 GwSC wrote:
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat. 80% of additional scenes felt tacked on so far. Only Season 1 had OK additional scenes, after that.... really bad except for some of the Arya additions. I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better. We've seen what, 2 truly atrocious changes this season? The mountain's reintroduction and Theon's rescue attempt? Say what you will about the Arya/Hound scenes, I think they serve to further develop her character and lend another perspective on the Mountain. The Dany scenes are not really worse than any of her chapters in the book. For the most part, I've enjoyed the changes introduced in the series. The Brienne changes make her arc much more tolerable same is true with Bran changes. Even the scene with the red woman this past episode drops some hint on the importance of Shireen for us book readers. Also, through Stannis' added scene we had a chance to look at CGI Braavos - which was nice. You're, of course, entitled to your own opinion. I'm of the camp that books 4 and 5 are poorly edited, that there are certain decisions GRRM made in the books (by his own admission) he would wanted to have redone and the TV show serves to correct these flaws. It does introduce new flaws, some the result of the direction and script, but largely it's the result of the limitations of the medium. Overall the show is better than the books and I don't see this trend reversing for future seasons.
I too fail to see how the show is better than the books. It may be your opinion, but I don't agree at all.
The show is more shallow, and while it's good, the characters are nowhere near as interesting. Mostly because they are more black and white than grey. It's not that bad though, but for example Tyrion is definitely a good guy in the show. Stannis is definitely evil. Bran is also supagood, even though he encounters some problems when he starts truly warging, and does questionable things. Littlefinger and Varys most of all lose their fantastic side to them.
It just lacks depth to truly be as good as the books. I understand that you are saying that due to the pacing of AFFC/ADWD, but even though the pace was slower, I still liked it. After all the action that we had in ASOS... It had to slow down some time. I think GRRM has stated that in hindsight, he would have spread out the action of ASOS over the next two books, which would indeed be better.
But there's always stuff he'll want to improve. Overall, the books are amazing, and the story told in them is much more detailed, and much more fascinating, at least to me.
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I think the show complements the book really well, especially if you've only read the book once like myself. I often feel that I would be missing out a lot of the subtleties in the tv show had I not read the books.
It is the case for most motion picture adaptations, even much simpler stories like Hunger Games and Divergent
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hahaha yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees, i love this, the conspiracy lololol! great find
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I think the crucial word when trying to understand the opinion of some that the show is superior to the books is "pacing".
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Really? I thought the show moved really slowly. I guess that's because I knew exactly what was going to happen ;D
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The most boring bits still have to come right? After Tywin dies and Tyrion flees things settle down even more. I guess they will use the Greyjoy storyline as the main source of 'entertainment' in the next season. You can never go wrong with a bunch of vikings.
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Holy shit, Sansa slapping Robin Arryn was even more satisfying than when Tyrion slapped Joffrey. Good for Sansa to finally stand up for herself a bit.
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On May 20 2014 18:34 Laurens wrote:
The most boring bits still have to come right? After Tywin dies and Tyrion flees things settle down even more. I guess they will use the Greyjoy storyline as the main source of 'entertainment' in the next season. You can never go wrong with a bunch of vikings.
I really don't understand why so many people think it's utterly boring. The lack of physical action makes it boring? We learn a lot in AFFC and ADWD, and so many things are set up that it's crazy. The whole Aegon arc, Dany fleeing on Drogon, Jon being attacked, Tyrion rejoining with Dany, etc...
I understand the lack of appeal from "non action" stories, but still...
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On May 20 2014 18:37 Mikau wrote:
Holy shit, Sansa slapping Robin Arryn was even more satisfying than when Tyrion slapped Joffrey. Good for Sansa to finally stand up for herself a bit.
I have a big problem with that scene.
To me, that entire scene was building up to the slap. Whereas it should be building up to the revelation that Sansa is losing her identity (first her wolf, then her inability to recall Winterfell).
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On May 20 2014 18:41 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2014 18:34 Laurens wrote:
The most boring bits still have to come right? After Tywin dies and Tyrion flees things settle down even more. I guess they will use the Greyjoy storyline as the main source of 'entertainment' in the next season. You can never go wrong with a bunch of vikings. I really don't understand why so many people think it's utterly boring. The lack of physical action makes it boring? We learn a lot in AFFC and ADWD, and so many things are set up that it's crazy. The whole Aegon arc, Dany fleeing on Drogon, Jon being attacked, Tyrion rejoining with Dany, etc... I understand the lack of appeal from "non action" stories, but still...
Yup.
We want wars and battles :<
Being serious, books 4 and 5 introduce a lot of new stuff to set up the grand finale in 6 and 7, and this makes them a tad more boring, in my opinion at least. I fully understand that it's necessary and there are some nice story revelations which you mention, but nevertheless it's not as much of a wild ride as books 1 2 3.
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So, as far as the episode went, I'd say that the hound will die from this bite? Infection and stuff? Can't remember how he dies in the book, but I think it's something similar, some wound or so.
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On May 20 2014 19:10 boxerfred wrote:
So, as far as the episode went, I'd say that the hound will die from this bite? Infection and stuff? Can't remember how he dies in the book, but I think it's something similar, some wound or so.
He gets injured in the fight at the tavern, against The Tickler and his band. In Arya's arc in the show, The Hound should be dead/gone (seeing as most people think he is the Gravedigger over on the Quiet Isle).
It'll be fairly pathetic if he dies from that. Some dude bites him, the fight is over in a second, and that whole sequence was pretty weak. It made Arya look badass, but mostly it looked silly.
I really hope that's not it... It'd be so lame. At least in the books, The Hound lived up to his badassery and took out like 4 guys, drunk, starved and wounded. Here though...
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On May 20 2014 19:22 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2014 19:10 boxerfred wrote:
So, as far as the episode went, I'd say that the hound will die from this bite? Infection and stuff? Can't remember how he dies in the book, but I think it's something similar, some wound or so. He gets injured in the fight at the tavern, against The Tickler and his band. In Arya's arc in the show, The Hound should be dead/gone (seeing as most people think he is the Gravedigger over on the Quiet Isle). It'll be fairly pathetic if he dies from that. Some dude bites him, the fight is over in a second, and that whole sequence was pretty weak. It made Arya look badass, but mostly it looked silly. I really hope that's not it... It'd be so lame. At least in the books, The Hound lived up to his badassery and took out like 4 guys, drunk, starved and wounded. Here though...
I feel like they did change some things up only to make them look silly. The whole Bran/Jon thingy was stupid, the Arya scene was stupid, too. Though it felt great to see the hound without his armor, being so weak and vulnerable to a little girl holding a burning stick. Also, the introductory scene of the Mountain slaughtering those poor souls felt stupid and unnecessary. I don't feel like the Mountain is the guy spending his spare time with a solid killing spree, but rather enjoying giving death to others while being paid to do so. Dunno. The episodes are still great, I really like the series, but most of the things they re-invented (such as Asha trying to save Reek, lol) were just plain stupid.
Also, what about the Greyjoy story, such als Balon dying, Euron setting sails and stuff? What about Quentyn Martell of Dorne?
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On May 20 2014 19:39 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2014 19:22 Spaylz wrote:On May 20 2014 19:10 boxerfred wrote:
So, as far as the episode went, I'd say that the hound will die from this bite? Infection and stuff? Can't remember how he dies in the book, but I think it's something similar, some wound or so. He gets injured in the fight at the tavern, against The Tickler and his band. In Arya's arc in the show, The Hound should be dead/gone (seeing as most people think he is the Gravedigger over on the Quiet Isle). It'll be fairly pathetic if he dies from that. Some dude bites him, the fight is over in a second, and that whole sequence was pretty weak. It made Arya look badass, but mostly it looked silly. I really hope that's not it... It'd be so lame. At least in the books, The Hound lived up to his badassery and took out like 4 guys, drunk, starved and wounded. Here though... I feel like they did change some things up only to make them look silly. The whole Bran/Jon thingy was stupid, the Arya scene was stupid, too. Though it felt great to see the hound without his armor, being so weak and vulnerable to a little girl holding a burning stick. Also, the introductory scene of the Mountain slaughtering those poor souls felt stupid and unnecessary. I don't feel like the Mountain is the guy spending his spare time with a solid killing spree, but rather enjoying giving death to others while being paid to do so. Dunno. The episodes are still great, I really like the series, but most of the things they re-invented (such as Asha trying to save Reek, lol) were just plain stupid. Also, what about the Greyjoy story, such als Balon dying, Euron setting sails and stuff? What about Quentyn Martell of Dorne?
Quentyn actually was the only POV that I found utterly useless in ADWD. His arc is pretty pointless, got to admit that. I wouldn't be surprised if he is cut altogether. It would allow them to focus on Arianne, and given her propensity to use her body to get what she wants... It'll give them an excellent excuse for nudity, so I expect them to jump on the occasion.
But I agree, most of the made up scenes are bad. The recent ones anyway. The ones from S1, especially between Robert and Cersei, or anything with Robert for that matter, were actually great. S2 was alright too... The scenes between Tywin and Arya were good, but the context was silly.
S3/S4 though... So far, the made up scenes are rapidly deteriorating in quality. That is why I am very doubtful of the true quality of the show. I'm not saying it's a piece of cake to make a show when the material is already written, as it does require some work of adaptation, but it does make it smoother and increases the quality. What we are seeing right now suggests that when they run out of written GRRM content, the quality of the show might drop drastically.
Time will tell.
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On May 20 2014 19:10 boxerfred wrote:
So, as far as the episode went, I'd say that the hound will die from this bite? Infection and stuff? Can't remember how he dies in the book, but I think it's something similar, some wound or so.
There's actually quite a bit of speculation that the Hound isn't actually dead at all but is actually hiding out at the Monastery on the Quiet Isle
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Gravedigger/Theories
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