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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
May 19 2014 14:49 GMT
#9821
On May 19 2014 21:19 zatic wrote:
Oberyn is truly amazing. Best addition in season 4 for sure.


Soooo locking forward to the nerd tears when he dies :D
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Girondelle
Profile Joined December 2010
France969 Posts
May 19 2014 14:54 GMT
#9822
On May 19 2014 23:49 Monsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 21:19 zatic wrote:
Oberyn is truly amazing. Best addition in season 4 for sure.


Soooo locking forward to the nerd tears when he dies :D


Oberyn is a complete badass, i expect a really cool combat, probably the best of the serie so far
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 19 2014 15:05 GMT
#9823
On May 19 2014 23:08 TheFish7 wrote:
The Mountain scene was just comical, like "lol make sure Gregor kills 5 men for breakfast this morning, you know how he turns into Ser Grumpy if he doesn't kill a few peasants" But I guess they needed to reintroduce him somehow.


It was to show that he's huge, he's murderous, and people who go for trial by combat don't beat him (those were trial by combat prisoners).

I'm... worried about the fight scene. Spears are a really easy weapon for 'hit the weapon and flail about' flynning that has plagued recent fight scenes more than it needs to.
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany985 Posts
May 19 2014 15:07 GMT
#9824
The 2 seconds of Mountain vs Oberyn in next episode's promo looked pretty sad. Let's crash a wooden spear against a massive sword, great idea. Television medieval combat has always been a joke, but this is just outrageous. I hope the rest of it won't be so disappointing.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
May 19 2014 15:16 GMT
#9825
On May 20 2014 00:05 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 23:08 TheFish7 wrote:
The Mountain scene was just comical, like "lol make sure Gregor kills 5 men for breakfast this morning, you know how he turns into Ser Grumpy if he doesn't kill a few peasants" But I guess they needed to reintroduce him somehow.


It was to show that he's huge, he's murderous, and people who go for trial by combat don't beat him (those were trial by combat prisoners).

I'm... worried about the fight scene. Spears are a really easy weapon for 'hit the weapon and flail about' flynning that has plagued recent fight scenes more than it needs to.

Oh that's why they were handing the prisoners weapons. Why would so many people choose trial by combat? Even if they didn't know it was going to be the Mountain they'd be facing. It's a silly scene.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 22:37:16
May 19 2014 15:20 GMT
#9826
I don't know- they've done a fairly mediocre (at best) job with the fights so far- I'm hoping for something like Archilles vs Hektor in Troj (one can dream, right?).

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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
May 19 2014 15:39 GMT
#9827
On May 19 2014 13:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
ugh the Lysa scene was very disappointing. Not as much build up as I had hoped and no "Only Cat". Even the fall was kind of lame. I loved in the book how she didn't scream, it gave the moment that much more power. This was almost cartoonishly funny. No Marillion either?! The most badass way to end this would've been "This singer's killed my lady wife"...missed opportunity.


Yeah they didn't have to have Marillion, since he died to Joffrey, but they could have introduced a different singer or some other fall guy for the same role. Of course much like Arya in Harrenhal, Sansa doesn't have it nearly as rough in the Eyrie as her book counter-part. She is a noble on the show, and only has to endure a show duration of 2 uncomfortable scenes with Lysa. Sansa is never threatend by Marillion, nor treated as poorly by people she interacts with due to being Littlefinger's bastard.

It seems that another episode of Lysa might have been worth while to introduce Robin's seizures and play up Sansa's uncomfortable position, but so far the seizures appear to have been cut from the show. In fact I don't recall any comments about Robin having any health problems to this point.

I get why the writers might have thought "Only Cat." would be confusing to the lowest denominator, but seriously he could have just referred to her as Cat when he was talking to Sansa, and Lysa could have referred to her as Cat when accusing Petyr of only loving her. It's more understandable why they might make the change, compared to some of their other changes though.

On May 19 2014 13:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:

Also, this is what seems like a pretty weak ass way for the Hound to go out. I figured he'd get into another scuffle. Seems a bit off that he'd be ambushed by two low-skilled bandits. One of which Arya even killed quite easily..


I wouldn't have minded as much if they were just two low-skilled bandits, but that was Rorge and Biter. In the books Rorge, Biter, and some of the remaining Brave Companions travel east to the town of Saltpans where Rorge finds and dons the Hound's helm once worn by Sandor Clegane. He wears the helm whilst brutally sacking Saltpans, which results in Clegane being blamed for the attack. At the Inn at the Crossroads, Rorge duels with and is slain by Brienne. Biter quickly overpowers Brienne and begins savagely biting her face. He is stopped by Gendry, who drives a spear through the back of his neck, killing him. Why even bother casting them if you are going to have Biter take one bite out of the Hound and promptly have his neck broken, and Rorge just stands there talking with his sword drawn, but lowered and let's Arya stab him uncontested... Might as well not even bring them back at all if that is the best you can come up with.

The Tyrion scenes, were the highlight's of the episode, in large part because they did adapt from the books so well. I generally liked the Brienne/Pod and Hot Pie scenes too, though it was a bit of a role reversal from book Brienne who was incredibly paranoid (with good reason).

The rest of the episode was ok. Dany and unconvincing Daario seduction. Dany mentions revenge killings, but hasn't really given them the weight and explanation they deserve for show watchers. Melisandre's bathtime and letting Selyse know that many of her "powers" are parlor tricks, as well as hinting at a need for Shireen. There were some really good scenes in the episode, but they still don't give me much faith in their writing when they try to make up completely original scenes.


Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 15:57:15
May 19 2014 15:57 GMT
#9828
I am still rooting for the red viper too win in two weeks :')
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chillpenguin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States90 Posts
May 19 2014 16:02 GMT
#9829
Don't really care about Littlefinger's line changes, more concerned about how they are gonna explain her death realistically, with no singer or anyone else there to blame. I really don't mind changes from the book as long as they feel logical and realistic, but as we've seen recently and throughout the show, they usually are not. I'll reserve further judgement until next episode or whenever they show the aftermath of Lysa's death.
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
May 19 2014 16:15 GMT
#9830
I'm actually curious if GoT has changed their choreographer or stunt director. I was hoping to see more fights like Jorah vs Qotho where most of the sword swings are heavy and directed at the actual opponent. There has been a lot of sword swatting recently though.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
May 19 2014 16:19 GMT
#9831
I suspect this fight will be super over the top exaggerated awesomeness. Probably about as stupid as the fights in Star Wars 1-3. Just go with it
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HyDrA_solic
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Portugal491 Posts
May 19 2014 16:21 GMT
#9832
Revelation of Lady Stoneheart?
It's all about the reflections of freedom. Even though he hoped for a better world, with all his strenght, all his will, the most he could do was to make her smile.
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4615 Posts
May 19 2014 17:34 GMT
#9833
On May 20 2014 01:21 HyDrA_solic wrote:
Revelation of Lady Stoneheart?

Introduction, maybe... Revelation, last episode
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
May 19 2014 18:44 GMT
#9834
On May 20 2014 01:19 KadaverBB wrote:
I suspect this fight will be super over the top exaggerated awesomeness. Probably about as stupid as the fights in Star Wars 1-3. Just go with it

lol them star wars fights... so bad
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 19 2014 19:30 GMT
#9835
On May 20 2014 03:44 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 01:19 KadaverBB wrote:
I suspect this fight will be super over the top exaggerated awesomeness. Probably about as stupid as the fights in Star Wars 1-3. Just go with it

lol them star wars fights... so bad


What was wrong with them? I thought they were awesome. It's like one of the few things the prequels truly did much better than the originals. I mean, maybe Obi-wan vs Anakin got a little ridiculous with swinging, mid-air lightsaber combat, but other than that...

On May 20 2014 01:21 HyDrA_solic wrote:
Revelation of Lady Stoneheart?


Can't imagine anything other than that being the final scene of this season. There's simply no better timing to reveal her. Usually episode 9 is the one that feels more like a finale, but given that aSoS kinda breaks the pattern of the other books and continues with the excitement all the way to its final pages, I don't think that's the case this time.
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way2mash4u
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany183 Posts
May 19 2014 19:43 GMT
#9836
On May 20 2014 00:57 Dunmer wrote:
I am still rooting for the red viper too win in two weeks :')


Haha, yeah. me too. They did a really great job with portraying Oberyn in the show. Love that guy.

Go Red Viper!
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
May 19 2014 19:48 GMT
#9837
On May 20 2014 00:57 Dunmer wrote:
I am still rooting for the red viper too win in two weeks :')



Hahahah same.

Just watching from the preview, I can't wait for the:
"You're going to fight that?", "I'm going to KILL that".
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GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
May 19 2014 19:56 GMT
#9838
I really like Oberyn actor, he is doing a great job so far. Can't wait to see him against The Mountain and see people rage when he dies, just like I did when I read. "You raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children. ELIIIIAAAAA!!!"
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 19 2014 20:13 GMT
#9839
On May 20 2014 00:16 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 00:05 Dfgj wrote:
On May 19 2014 23:08 TheFish7 wrote:
The Mountain scene was just comical, like "lol make sure Gregor kills 5 men for breakfast this morning, you know how he turns into Ser Grumpy if he doesn't kill a few peasants" But I guess they needed to reintroduce him somehow.


It was to show that he's huge, he's murderous, and people who go for trial by combat don't beat him (those were trial by combat prisoners).

I'm... worried about the fight scene. Spears are a really easy weapon for 'hit the weapon and flail about' flynning that has plagued recent fight scenes more than it needs to.

Oh that's why they were handing the prisoners weapons. Why would so many people choose trial by combat? Even if they didn't know it was going to be the Mountain they'd be facing. It's a silly scene.

I assume they've got no way of winning whatever their trial was for and would be facing death anyways. Might as well give it a shot.

Can't say much for the dialogue in that scene, though.
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
May 19 2014 20:48 GMT
#9840
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat.
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