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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
May 19 2014 20:55 GMT
#9841
I guess since the Mountain changed actors for the 3rd time, they felt the need to reintroduce him earlier. Too bad they couldn't write a better scene to do it in. This Mountain is certainly more physically imposing than the second one, though he looks rather young to be the Hound's older brother.
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
May 19 2014 21:03 GMT
#9842
Pedro Pascal man, you are REALLY good
EGM guides me
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
May 19 2014 21:09 GMT
#9843
It would have been nice if they reintroduced Gregor with him rampaging in the countryside or something instead of murdering peasants (I think they'd take the black instead of dying) but I understand the purpose.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
May 19 2014 21:33 GMT
#9844
Well do you guys think this was also Brons farewell scene from the series? I can't exactly point out why, but that scene left me with the feeling he wont have much more than a cameo or two in the future.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 19 2014 22:18 GMT
#9845
On May 20 2014 06:33 Mafe wrote:
Well do you guys think this was also Brons farewell scene from the series? I can't exactly point out why, but that scene left me with the feeling he wont have much more than a cameo or two in the future.

That depends on his roles in Books 6 and 7. Also viewers like Bron character and actor, I could see HBO giving him scenes for fun. In books his actions are described by other characters, but on the show they could show these things.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
May 19 2014 22:18 GMT
#9846
On May 20 2014 00:05 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 23:08 TheFish7 wrote:
The Mountain scene was just comical, like "lol make sure Gregor kills 5 men for breakfast this morning, you know how he turns into Ser Grumpy if he doesn't kill a few peasants" But I guess they needed to reintroduce him somehow.


It was to show that he's huge, he's murderous, and people who go for trial by combat don't beat him (those were trial by combat prisoners).


I'm just gonna pretend that you are absolutely right, because that scene was sooo stupid

Come to think of it. They SHOULD have skipped this scene and just show him full armor with a helmet on ready to battle in the next epiode, but nvm.
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 22:21:29
May 19 2014 22:20 GMT
#9847
On May 20 2014 05:48 GwSC wrote:
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat.

80% of additional scenes felt tacked on so far. Only Season 1 had OK additional scenes, after that.... really bad except for some of the Arya additions.

I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
May 19 2014 22:26 GMT
#9848
On May 20 2014 07:20 -Archangel- wrote:
I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better.

Yeah right. And right after that someone is going to make an even more faithful remake of LotR.

Like it or not, this is the best you'll ever get.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
May 19 2014 22:26 GMT
#9849
On May 20 2014 07:20 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 05:48 GwSC wrote:
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat.

80% of additional scenes felt tacked on so far. Only Season 1 had OK additional scenes, after that.... really bad except for some of the Arya additions.

I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better.

I would really like it being made in a cartoon series.
It would open up so many possabilities imo.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
May 19 2014 22:31 GMT
#9850
On May 20 2014 07:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 07:20 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 20 2014 05:48 GwSC wrote:
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat.

80% of additional scenes felt tacked on so far. Only Season 1 had OK additional scenes, after that.... really bad except for some of the Arya additions.

I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better.

I would really like it being made in a cartoon series.
It would open up so many possabilities imo.

The Red Wedding could be turned into a Benny Hill style sketch with the evil Boltons and Freys running after the Starks from door to door.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
May 19 2014 22:35 GMT
#9851
On May 20 2014 07:20 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 05:48 GwSC wrote:
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat.

80% of additional scenes felt tacked on so far. Only Season 1 had OK additional scenes, after that.... really bad except for some of the Arya additions.

I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better.


We've seen what, 2 truly atrocious changes this season? The mountain's reintroduction and Theon's rescue attempt? Say what you will about the Arya/Hound scenes, I think they serve to further develop her character and lend another perspective on the Mountain. The Dany scenes are not really worse than any of her chapters in the book.

For the most part, I've enjoyed the changes introduced in the series. The Brienne changes make her arc much more tolerable same is true with Bran changes. Even the scene with the red woman this past episode drops some hint on the importance of Shireen for us book readers. Also, through Stannis' added scene we had a chance to look at CGI Braavos - which was nice.

You're, of course, entitled to your own opinion. I'm of the camp that books 4 and 5 are poorly edited, that there are certain decisions GRRM made in the books (by his own admission) he would wanted to have redone and the TV show serves to correct these flaws. It does introduce new flaws, some the result of the direction and script, but largely it's the result of the limitations of the medium.

Overall the show is better than the books and I don't see this trend reversing for future seasons.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 22:47:03
May 19 2014 22:46 GMT
#9852
On May 20 2014 07:35 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 07:20 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 20 2014 05:48 GwSC wrote:
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat.

80% of additional scenes felt tacked on so far. Only Season 1 had OK additional scenes, after that.... really bad except for some of the Arya additions.

I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better.


Overall the show is better than the books and I don't see this trend reversing for future seasons.

I know that it is a bad way or arguing, but after this sentence i really can't take you serious...
I really like the show too, but i fail too see by what standards the show is better than the books.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4634 Posts
May 19 2014 22:50 GMT
#9853
On May 20 2014 07:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 07:35 c0ldfusion wrote:
On May 20 2014 07:20 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 20 2014 05:48 GwSC wrote:
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat.

80% of additional scenes felt tacked on so far. Only Season 1 had OK additional scenes, after that.... really bad except for some of the Arya additions.

I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better.


Overall the show is better than the books and I don't see this trend reversing for future seasons.

I know that it is a bad way or arguing, but after this sentence i really can't take you serious...
I really like the show too, but i fail too see by what standards the show is better than the books.


In the show Oberyn survives, maybe...
Dump of assembler code from 0xffffffec to 0x64: End of assembler dump.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
May 19 2014 22:53 GMT
#9854
On May 20 2014 07:50 0x64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 07:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On May 20 2014 07:35 c0ldfusion wrote:
On May 20 2014 07:20 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 20 2014 05:48 GwSC wrote:
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat.

80% of additional scenes felt tacked on so far. Only Season 1 had OK additional scenes, after that.... really bad except for some of the Arya additions.

I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better.


Overall the show is better than the books and I don't see this trend reversing for future seasons.

I know that it is a bad way or arguing, but after this sentence i really can't take you serious...
I really like the show too, but i fail too see by what standards the show is better than the books.


In the show Oberyn survives, maybe...


So he can go to dany and die instead of quentyn? ^^
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
May 19 2014 23:01 GMT
#9855
On May 20 2014 07:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 07:35 c0ldfusion wrote:
On May 20 2014 07:20 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 20 2014 05:48 GwSC wrote:
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat.

80% of additional scenes felt tacked on so far. Only Season 1 had OK additional scenes, after that.... really bad except for some of the Arya additions.

I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better.


Overall the show is better than the books and I don't see this trend reversing for future seasons.

I know that it is a bad way or arguing, but after this sentence i really can't take you serious...
I really like the show too, but i fail too see by what standards the show is better than the books.

I'm not saying the show isn't flaw. There are plenty of problems. Overall though, purely in terms of the strength of story telling, pacing, etc., the show benefits from the mistakes of the book and is able to improve upon them. Again, specific examples include Brienne's current arc, hinting at the nature of the Others, aging up all the Stark children and parts of Stannis' arc.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 23:28:00
May 19 2014 23:27 GMT
#9856
Well if you really think that way, so be it i guess.
I just don't understand it tbh. The show loses so much detail and worldbuilding, a lot of stuff is "IN YOUR FACE" cause they seem to think that the show watchers aren't smart enough otherwise (for example renly and loras).
They even change characters for the worse (for example stannis and tyrion [mr whitewashed]).
The added filler was mostly awfull (Asha ["hey i will save my brother but only if he is totally fine and there are no dogs", Bran[Let's waste some time for a subplot which is gone in 2 episodes instead of using the bran time for worldbuilding and history])
I mean you talk about pacing, i can at least understand that you think the last two books have problems in that regard (even though i don't fully agree, i can understand it), but what about the first 3 books was wrong with the pacing?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
May 19 2014 23:31 GMT
#9857
I don't see anything wrong with the show flat out portraying things rather than implying them (Renly is gay/ shadow assassin a product of Stannis banging Melisandrie).

In fact, I enjoy those parts since they add something to the story the books didn't (Stannis's frustration of a lack of son and Renly's motivation to suddenly claim himself king).

I do agree some parts make me scratch my head however, specifically these so-called fillers.
Forever Young
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
May 20 2014 00:50 GMT
#9858
It's a damn shame that the most likable characters like Ned and Oberyn are offed so quickly. I know it makes the story that much more insane and amazing, but I could watch Oberyn's character act for days.
Sup.
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
May 20 2014 02:08 GMT
#9859
On May 20 2014 07:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 07:50 0x64 wrote:
On May 20 2014 07:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On May 20 2014 07:35 c0ldfusion wrote:
On May 20 2014 07:20 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 20 2014 05:48 GwSC wrote:
Gregor's (re)introduction scene felt tacked on. I think it would have worked much better if we didn't see him until the trial by combat.

80% of additional scenes felt tacked on so far. Only Season 1 had OK additional scenes, after that.... really bad except for some of the Arya additions.

I really hope in some future someone remakes this series and does it better.


Overall the show is better than the books and I don't see this trend reversing for future seasons.

I know that it is a bad way or arguing, but after this sentence i really can't take you serious...
I really like the show too, but i fail too see by what standards the show is better than the books.


In the show Oberyn survives, maybe...


So he can go to dany and die instead of quentyn? ^^


Oh man. The rage would be incredible.
LostWraithSC
Profile Joined February 2008
United States111 Posts
May 20 2014 02:17 GMT
#9860
Have you guys heard of this theory, and if so what do you think of it?

http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/253zbx/is_daario_reallyspoilers_adwd/

I think Daario = Euron is uncannily sensible, and I can't believe I've never heard it until now.
It is a Kingdom of Conscience, or nothing.
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