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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On May 06 2014 03:25 CobaltBlu wrote: The whole Craster's keep plot this season felt really contrived to me so I'm glad they are done with it. Why would Locke expect to find Bran and co up there? he overheard sam and jon talking about how bran was north of wall | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14911 Posts
The better question is why the hell didn't he just kill everyone in the tent and be done with it | ||
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
also, he still had rickon to find so maybe thats why he took bran out into the woods? | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On May 06 2014 03:25 CobaltBlu wrote: The whole Craster's keep plot this season felt really contrived to me so I'm glad they are done with it. Why would Locke expect to find Bran and co up there? http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hbo-game-of-thrones-book-characters/ Expect more contrived plots in the future. That article compares where the show is compared to the books. The show needs to give screen time to all recurring actors/actresses but some characters have longer story arcs than others. Expect surviving characters with shorter book story arcs to get a lot of filler time in the show in the future. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 06 2014 04:09 Yhamm wrote: when will we see zombiecat? I'd say the final episode... maybe. Brienne and Pod still have some wandering to do, and if the Hound is still "alive" then the Quiet Isle will have to get pushed back (assuming that is the Hound in that scene). | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On May 06 2014 03:25 CobaltBlu wrote: The whole Craster's keep plot this season felt really contrived to me so I'm glad they are done with it. Why would Locke expect to find Bran and co up there? It was contrived. They wanted something "exciting" for Jon and Bran to do while waiting for the attack on the wall. So they had Locke go up there knowing he was going to die. Which means they don't have to explain why he was taking Bran with him, how he was going to get back over the wall with Bran if he was going to keep him alive, and how he was going to leave the Night's Watch without being branded a deserter if he was successful in his mission. Or why the mutineers had two captive direwolves that they were feeding, when they had limited supplies for themselves and either would likely kill them if they got free. Likewise they contrived that the Lannister mines stopped producing gold 3 years ago, which clearly there is nothing in the books to support since we get Tyrion, Cersei and Kevin Lannister's point's of view and none of them are concerned about the Lannister's future financial status. Which was likely added so that they can now remove Cersei's arrogant dismissal of the Iron Bank's demands for payment and make it not her fault because the Lannister's can't afford to pay. | ||
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chillpenguin
United States90 Posts
On May 06 2014 04:57 karazax wrote: It was contrived. They wanted something "exciting" for Jon and Bran to do while waiting for the attack on the wall. So they had Locke go up there knowing he was going to die. Which means they don't have to explain why he was taking Bran with him, how he was going to get back over the wall with Bran if he was going to keep him alive, and how he was going to leave the Night's Watch without being branded a deserter if he was successful in his mission. Or why the mutineers had two captive direwolves that they were feeding, when they had limited supplies for themselves and either would likely kill them if they got free. Likewise they contrived that the Lannister mines stopped producing gold 3 years ago, which clearly there is nothing in the books to support since we get Tyrion, Cersei and Kevin Lannister's point's of view and none of them are concerned about the Lannister's future financial status. Which was likely added so that they can now remove Cersei's arrogant dismissal of the Iron Bank's demands for payment and make it not her fault because the Lannister's can't afford to pay. How is Tyrion going to pay the Second Sons if all the gold is gone? | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On May 06 2014 05:39 chillpenguin wrote: How is Tyrion going to pay the Second Sons if all the gold is gone? How would he pay them anyway? He can just lie. I personally think he is completely deluding himself in the books. Lannister or not, he is still convicted of kingslaying and suspected of kinslaying. I doubt many people would actually follow him or listen to him if he made it back to Westeros and went "hey, so, here's my army. I sort of owe them gold...". The Second Sons aren't an imposing enough force to "convince" everyone in the Westerlands or in Westeros. | ||
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chillpenguin
United States90 Posts
On May 06 2014 05:43 Spaylz wrote: How would he pay them anyway? He can just lie. I personally think he is completely deluding himself in the books. Lannister or not, he is still convicted of kingslaying and suspected of kinslaying. I doubt many people would actually follow him or listen to him if he made it back to Westeros and went "hey, so, here's my army. I sort of owe them gold...". The Second Sons aren't an imposing enough force to "convince" everyone in the Westerlands or in Westeros. True, I guess I'm getting ahead of myself. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
There are a few that I'm more confident in griping about: The Lannister mines thing seems like a very dumb one. It doesn't make sense and it couldn't be a secret. How do all the mines go dry for three years and it is a tight secret? How do an entire region's mines run out suddenly? Is that really supposed to be the entire source of Lannister wealth in the show like they suggested? That part is impossible, but it seemed like what was suggested. Tywin has been Xaro'ing it of late? The Locke thing fizzled out so quickly it could almost be forgiven for being so thinly contrived. Not so much for the mutineers. What makes it worse is that this appears to be what we got instead of coldhands for some Bran and co. content. The only immediate silver lining is that it built up some credibility for Jon's leadership. However, I'm not going to give the show too much credit for filling in a hole that they dug. I liked the one where, because of a situation that was fubar'ed by other leaders in the watch, he was the defacto commander for some days withstanding the wildling assault on the wall. Now we have those other officers around at castle black before the assault begins, so that situation will not happen. I'm a little curious about how much they plan to put Jon in false danger before they lose their "in this show the heroes are actually in danger when they look like they are in danger" credibility. It is coming across as more or a typical setup but with the occasional interruption for some shocking deaths. Clumsy. They can gain a lot of points back in this category if they do not mangle Tyrion's trial and escape. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On May 06 2014 05:56 karazax wrote: Like I said, in the books there is nothing to suggest that their gold is running out, and who knows what story lines they will make up or change between now and then on the show. Just because the Lannister's Gold mines are dry doesn't mean the family itself is completely broke, they're still the lords of the Westerlands and probably collect plenty of revenue through farm and trade taxes especially since Lannisport is a bustling trade town under their control. Mining is only part of what made the Lannister family wealthy. So even if the show's diversion holds up in the books, it doesn't mean Tyrion couldn't pay them if he ever did return to Casterly Rock. | ||
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shark.
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On a better note, I like where Jon's character is going. Kit is getting some good material to work with, and I like his acting. Can't wait for the "Edd, fetch me a block" moment in season 5. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
On May 06 2014 06:22 Spaylz wrote: On a side note, I'm really annoyed that they seemingly cut Coldhands. I see no valid reason to remove such a great character. I sincerely hope we eventually get him, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about it all. On a better note, I like where Jon's character is going. Kit is getting some good material to work with, and I like his acting. Can't wait for the "Edd, fetch me a block" moment in season 5. I'm not arguing, I'm genuinely intrigued -- why do people like Coldhands so much? The character did absolutely nothing for me. He was mildly mysterious but ultimately just stretched out the already boring and drawn out bran worldbuilding arc. If i recall correctly, he helps sam, then meets up with bran and co, and then they wander around for a long time, and then they find the cave. What is the big deal im missing? | ||
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