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I'm happy with the updates. Since they obviously wanted to / needed to stretch out the attack on the wall for the season finale, it left a lot of nothing for Jon to do all season. Combined with Bran needing to fill time also so audiences remember him, and voila.
It's the same as the Arya problem. She's still travelling with the hound and he's still alive because the story isn't quite ready for her next step and still needs to ensure the audience remembers she's a central character every now and then.
I sort of just wish they'd actually tackled the same thing with reference to Davos + Stannis. They've done a tonne of nothing for the last couple of seasons, and I really don't feel they've built up at all for his hit on Mance at the end of the season. Updates to Bran and Jon >>>>> the nothing of Stannis.
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From the next episodes preview, I'm getting the idea that perhaps Bran will take over Hodor. I wonder whether they'll kill off Lysa so quickly, but I feel they might at least pad that for 2 episodes, if not more to give Lysa enough character for people to go "wtf!?" I don't think she'll make it as far as episode 8 at the most.
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On April 28 2014 21:48 bittman wrote:
I wonder whether they'll kill off Lysa so quickly, but I feel they might at least pad that for 2 episodes, if not more to give Lysa enough character for people to go "wtf!?" I don't think she'll make it as far as episode 8 at the most.
Lisa will probably die in episode 7 titled Mockingbird. Which is Littlefinger sigil.
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On April 28 2014 21:58 NPF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 21:48 bittman wrote:
I wonder whether they'll kill off Lysa so quickly, but I feel they might at least pad that for 2 episodes, if not more to give Lysa enough character for people to go "wtf!?" I don't think she'll make it as far as episode 8 at the most. Lisa will probably die in episode 7 titled Mockingbird. Which is Littlefinger sigil.
Ah gotchya, forgot to check episode titles. That makes me pretty happy then. Enough time for the audience to remember who Lysa is, and that she's a bit loony, and for the jealousy to grow, and hopefully some show-only dialogue time between the two of them. I've always liked how the show gives us fun dialogue, like Robert and Cersei in season 1 talking about their marriage. That's still one of my favourite scenes from season 1.
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There was alot of stuff that was good in the episode, but I agree that it is silly that the mutineers some how caught Ghost and then decided to keep him alive. The white walker reveal is almost trolling book readers with their own spoiler, though they have changed so many other things like the whole Warlocks of Qarth story line that it's hard to say it "proves" anything book wise.
While the book mentions Craster's sons, it was easy to say that this was just Craster's wives' name for the Others or the wights. The wights were also drawn to babies, as Sam and Gilly were attacked when Coldhands saved them, and Gilly said they are drawn to the life.
I wonder when Mormont is going to be exposed as a spy to Dany now? Prior to taking Meereen, Mormont exposes Arstan's identity as Selmy, and Selmy exposes Mormont as a spy. Selmy never had a secrent identity in the show though, and wasn't shown to be in any of the council meetings. So to wait this long to tell Dany about Jorah wouldn't make much sense. There also hasn't been nearly as much tension between Selmy and Jorah so far.
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Yeah I'm also waiting for Jorah's reveal...but I'm starting to get this feeling it won't happen. I don't know why, just no logical way for him to be revealed now I feel and it should have happened by now. So if Jorah's exile isn't important... the show might cut it which would be a spoiler for us I guess.
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On April 28 2014 23:15 SpiZe wrote:
Yeah I'm also waiting for Jorah's reveal...but I'm starting to get this feeling it won't happen. I don't know why, just no logical way for him to be revealed now I feel and it should have happened by now. So if Jorah's exile isn't important... the show might cut it which would be a spoiler for us I guess.
Jorah's exile IS important. It is how Tyrion is connected to Daenerys. Linking Tyrion to Dany in any other way would be a major deviation.
Regarding the Other/Night's King stuff... I don't really know what to think. To me, it seems too huge to not have been approved by GRRM. I'm sure he'll remain quiet on the issue, well on purpose, but I'd say we can consider it a spoiler to us book readers. It certainly makes sense.
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I guess both threads are contaminated with spoilers now 
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On April 28 2014 15:17 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 14:17 sung_moon wrote:
I forget, why is Jojen sick as fuqq again? Convulsing and throwing up holy shit.
No idea where they are going with Jon/Bran/Locke now. Guess let them all meet up, and have at it.
edit: Also, I'm slightly bothered Show Marg didn't even now her Grandmother poisoned Joff's wine cup. What if Marg decided to take a sip? I swear I remember in books, it's thinly implied that Marg knew what was going on. In an earlier season Meera explains that Jojen basically has a seizure during his visions, has him bite down on some leather strap so he won't swallow his tongue or bite through it (Meera doesn't explain that that's why she's putting a leather strap in his mouth but it's pretty standard practice I think). Don't think that's in the books though. Also no explanation why Bran doesn't suffer from it.
The theory is that Jojen nearly died from Greywater fever as a child because he is only half-Reed. Crannogmen are supposed to be immune from the fever but perhaps because he was only half this caused lasting effects. Crippling near death experiences with lasting debilitating effects seem to be the prerequisite for becoming a greenseer.
On April 28 2014 13:48 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 13:23 Irrelevant Label wrote:That is getting into D&D alternate version/fan fiction territory. They probably borrowed the term without linkage of the existing meaning just as a label for a/the lead white walker. GRRM's night king was a single specific person and not one of the others. But the GRRM Night's King married an Other, or female that matched their description. It's quite possible that the Night's King was turned into some sort of monster, especially since he married the only female Other we have heard of. It could even be that the Night's Queen is the Great Other.
I'd tend to agree with this theory. I've subscribed to the idea that the Others were born human since reading the books since it became clear that Craster's sons were being abducted. There are also the prevailing thematic elements of the Night's Watch being all men and Craster giving away all his male children that would fit with the Night's Queen being of extreme, perhaps unique, importance.
I do hope that Coldhands is the one to save Bran Hodor and the Reeds instead of Jon. I just don't see how Jon would just let his crippled kid brother continue on his suicide mission to find the three eyed crow when he knows north of the wall is crawling with an army of wildlings. Although I think that Jon saving them will be exactly what happens, then Jon will also save Craster's wives and bring them back to Castle Black, leading to the practice of NW taking in refugees and the problems that start to come along with that.
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On April 28 2014 23:37 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 23:15 SpiZe wrote:
Yeah I'm also waiting for Jorah's reveal...but I'm starting to get this feeling it won't happen. I don't know why, just no logical way for him to be revealed now I feel and it should have happened by now. So if Jorah's exile isn't important... the show might cut it which would be a spoiler for us I guess. Jorah's exile IS important. It is how Tyrion is connected to Daenerys. Linking Tyrion to Dany in any other way would be a major deviation. Regarding the Other/Night's King stuff... I don't really know what to think. To me, it seems too huge to not have been approved by GRRM. I'm sure he'll remain quiet on the issue, well on purpose, but I'd say we can consider it a spoiler to us book readers. It certainly makes sense.
As Arstan identity was important to reveal what Jorah was. What I meant is that the TV show might choose to not have Jorah go into exile and have Tyrion meet Dany in some other way, which would be a deviation, but this season is introducing whole new arcs to the series and it seems logical to assume that as time goes on, less and less will be similar.
About the Night King, since HBO removed the mention from the synopsis we can conclude one of three things :
a) It was the night king but we weren't supposed to know and someone goofed up.
b) it wasn't the night king but a different other and someone goofed up.
c) it was the Night King, but not the book Night King so they removed up when they saw the book readerss reaction so the directors goofed up.
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On April 28 2014 23:40 KadaverBB wrote:I guess both threads are contaminated with spoilers now
Well technically this thread is [TV/BOOK] as opposed to [BOOK], so I think this thread will always be "spoiler-free".
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I always thought that was what happened to the babies, so I was only surprised they showed it
but the Night's King... well, I really didn't expect that. Can't wait to hear GRRM about this
but I guess we will have more spoils (if this one is) in the next seasons, so we have to get ready 
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Loved the Jaime/Cersei/Bronn/Pod/Brienne/Tyrion scenes, and the Marge/Tommen scene was pretty good. Victory of Meereen was ok.
Can they make Petyr any more hamfisted? Seriously.
Night's Watch changes I kinda don't like, same with Bran changes.
Mystery is supposed to stay mysterious for some time. The reveal is far too early imo.
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On April 29 2014 03:48 Yhamm wrote:I always thought that was what happened to the babies, so I was only surprised they showed it but the Night's King... well, I really didn't expect that. Can't wait to hear GRRM about this but I guess we will have more spoils (if this one is) in the next seasons, so we have to get ready
What? Did we see the Night's King?
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I'm sure GRRM is perfectly happy with the show introducing something new to the story. The show wouldn't exist otherwise, if GRRM wasn't comfortable with having other people handle the story.
He's known for a while that the show is going to converge and pass the books, he acknowledged it, signed the deal, and told the show creators everything they'd need to know to finish faithfully telling the story. I'm sure part of him is glad and maybe even relieved that he isn't solely responsible anymore for the story being concluded.
I'm glad us book readers are finally being given something since ADwD to actually talk about. There's a lot of interesting theories being thrown around about the White Walkers now that weren't being discussed much before. How connected are they to the Night's Watch, to the Starks, to the Wall and Bran the Builder. My guess is the Others built the Wall, not man-made, although Bran the Builder may have been an Other, and there's definitely some blood connection to the Starks.
But I'm so glad the show is willing to infuse new canon into the story. It's something that had to be done and will likely have to be done more in the future -- so it's good to start it a bit early and get the book-purists accustomed to what they should've known was inevitable.
From the show's perspective, giving us a glimpse at the White Walkers makes perfect sense and kind of needed to be done. They're not physically present enough, too faceless and anonymous. The book handles them in a way the show can't. The show doesn't get all the rumors from Old Nan and such to tease us about the Others. We needed to see them.
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Can someone please explain what the uproar about the 'nights king' is?
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On April 29 2014 06:16 Fulla wrote:
Can someone please explain what the uproar about the 'nights king' is?
The Otherly creature who transforms the baby at the end is suspected to be the Night's King. He was referred as such by official texts on HBO earlier, until they removed it, and the spikes on his head suggest a crown. It's consistent.
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On April 29 2014 06:16 Fulla wrote:
Can someone please explain what the uproar about the 'nights king' is?
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night's_King
he was only some sort of a myth, but is now confirmed,and seems to be the (a?) leader of the Others
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You know what? Fuck the book. I want this show to overtake it. I want this show to finish the series before winds of winter even comes out. I don't care if its "not canon." I like the TV series and I like the new developments that its making. From my point of view it cuts out a lot of fluff by combining characters and moving plots rapidly.
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Really liked how the other that took the baby looked. Before they have looked like some kind of barbarian savages, which is never how i imagined them. I imagined them as some snowy, icy, gracious creatures with armor. The dead horse also looked just the way i think it should look. A definite improvement from their previous appearances tbh.
Can anyone tell the armor the other is wearing while he rides? I think there might be a clue there, it looks familiar and you can spot a symbol on his chest.
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