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c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 28 2014 01:52 GMT

#9221

lolol Jojen already doesn't look so good.

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 28 2014 01:53 GMT

#9222

oh shit, Bran is fuckkkkkked....

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 28 2014 01:57 GMT

#9223

Whoa, we're gonna get knowledge of what the walkers do with the boys. That is not in the book as far as I know.

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 28 2014 01:59 GMT

#9224

I guess Caster has been like a factory churning out White Walkers... wow

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 28 2014 02:01 GMT

#9225

Giving Jon knowledge of Bran is a huge deviation.

SpiZe

Canada3640 Posts

April 28 2014 02:03 GMT

#9226

Not in the books but to me it was kinda obvious I mean, what else are they gonna do with them ? Simply kill them would have been stupid so it's assumed that they were used for a power up of sorts no ?

inb4 Jon comes riding down to save Bran, then Bran reveals Locke for what he is yay.

Leporello

United States2845 Posts

April 28 2014 02:10 GMT

#9227

That was intense. The book certainly never gives a whitewalker chapter for perspective, all we know is what characters say from rumors. So that was definitely something new.

I kind of thought they did kill the babies. Sacrifice to some evil god, and that the whitewalkers themselves came from somewhere else, mummified corpses from somewhere way north, maybe. I didn't think they made baby whitewalkers that grow up to be adult whitewalkers.

SpiZe

Canada3640 Posts

April 28 2014 02:22 GMT

#9228

Yeah I didn't expect the turning either, I kinda thought they killed them and somehow it granted them more powers. But the fact that they are turned means that there is a link between the humans and the Whitewalker, and this is important. Sows they aren't completely alien, they probably originate from human descent or something like that. Now that I think about it, anyone knows if the number of whitewalker is mentionned somewhere in the books ? Like we know there is a fuck ton of wights but how many WhiteWalkers ? A dozen ? A hundred ? A thousand ? I can't recall.

Topin

Peru10103 Posts

April 28 2014 02:23 GMT

#9229

can you remind me who is Locke?

SpiZe

Canada3640 Posts

April 28 2014 02:25 GMT

#9230

Character that replaced Vargo Hoat. He's a Bolton man, it's the guy that cut Jaime's hand. Sent to the wall to kill Jon if I recall last episode correctly.

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 28 2014 02:33 GMT

#9231

The White Walker baby factory is pretty much canon now I guess.

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 28 2014 02:44 GMT

#9232

LOL people on other forums on the internet are all flipping out about this reveal. I guess it's our turn to get spoiled.

CobaltBlu

United States919 Posts

April 28 2014 02:52 GMT

#9233

What's in the show isn't necessarily what it will be in the books.

I'm not sure what they are intending to do with Bran right now. His story line is diverging from the books a lot (and is incredibly dull so far).

Irrelevant Label

United States596 Posts

April 28 2014 02:58 GMT

#9234

It was always one of the more likely possibilities given Craster's setup. They have to reproduce somehow, they are conspicuously humanoid, and Craster was useful to them somehow. It was probably even the most likely possibility as of when Gilly's older sister/aunt/mother said his brothers would be coming. Nobody thought the WW grew the babies into adulthood to then simply zombify them, right?

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

April 28 2014 02:59 GMT

#9235

On April 28 2014 11:52 CobaltBlu wrote:
What's in the show isn't necessarily what it will be in the books.

I'm not sure what they are intending to do with Bran right now. His story line is diverging from the books a lot (and is incredibly dull so far).

Sure not necessarily, but this is one of the first true "show only" things we've seen other than replaced/combined characters. I would not be surprised if this is one of those "things GRRM told D&D about the story" bits.

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

April 28 2014 03:14 GMT

#9236

Craster girl says the Gilly's son's brothers are coming. Unless they are lieing/don't know what happens, the Others either turn the boys into Wights or new Others. They can raise Wights out of dead people, so it seems absurdly troublesome to raise a baby just for that.

If you think about it, raising Others is the only thing that makes sense, unless you don't believe them for some reason. The show is just proving a theory that was very likely to be true anyway. It's just something a lot of people missed/didn't bother to look up.

Would people flip out if the show confirms R+L=J before the books, even though it's something almost everyone accepts as extremelly likely?

On April 28 2014 11:59 Requizen wrote:

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Nope, it's probally just the biggest confirmation/change that may be relevant to the plot in the later books.

Here's a list of book theories confirmed by the show, some are quite obvious, but if we are talking about anything not stricly confirmed, there's a lot of them:
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/106361-the-books-strong-theories-being-confirmed/

And Dany's arc had a lot of show only stuff. They are just not as relevant to the latter part of the series.

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

April 28 2014 03:27 GMT

#9237

Like you said a lot of those things are either strong implied by the book or largely inconsequential anyway (or both).

This reveal has quite a bit of impact.

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

April 28 2014 03:28 GMT

#9238

It's also strongly implied by the book.

CobaltBlu

United States919 Posts

April 28 2014 03:36 GMT

#9239

I don't really doubt that the babies are being used by the Others to grow their ranks or make themselves more powerful. But what is shown in the show may not be exactly how it happens or what they do in the books.

We will probably never get a direct book confirmation so this is as much as we can go off of I guess.

nimbim

Germany985 Posts

April 28 2014 03:42 GMT

#9240

I really disliked the changes. Bran was supposed to meet that dead rider guy, where is he? His only way to survive atm is to stay out of everyone's way, now Jon and Vargo know about him... Why would the mutineers keep Ghost alive?

It's just fail logic to condense the episode. At least the people who haven't read the books aren't aware how nonsensical this is.