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tshi
United States2495 Posts
LIke bloodraven was always teasing him about being able to fly...maybe he meant as a dragon and not as a bird or whatever. Also, wasn't there something in the story about an old stark making an arrow out of weirwood because it can be guided by trees or something? that's something else that might be plausible. Also, i wouldn't be surprised if bloodraven warged into the bore that killed king robert. *rip* | ||
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
On July 15 2013 13:17 HardlyNever wrote: Very few people think he is actually dead. If he is not dead he became something like catelyn or coldhands. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On July 15 2013 13:33 GWdeathscythe wrote: If he is not dead he became something like catelyn or coldhands. Not necessarily. There are a lot of options for him not being dead. Being revived like Dondarrion (not catelyn) is just one of many. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On July 15 2013 13:33 GWdeathscythe wrote: If he is not dead he became something like catelyn or coldhands. Beric didn't change like Cat did, and another popular theory is that he warged into ghost, like the guy in the prologue. | ||
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
On July 15 2013 14:45 SKC wrote: Beric didn't change like Cat did, and another popular theory is that he warged into ghost, like the guy in the prologue. Yeah I forgot about that. If he really died he can be on ghost body now, because as I understood from what brynden 3rd eye crow said, wargs can live inside the creature they "warged" after death. Like bran felt other presence inside one crow that he was training in and orell and varamyr passed to their animals too. Thats a nice possibility, personally, I think that this JonWolf is better than another zombie guy in westeros. EDIT: But if GRRM wants him to become a zombie why not be kind of a white walkers leader? that would be insane. | ||
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BliptiX
Canada324 Posts
Donal Noye? Mace Tyrell? Hard to put a character to him. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On July 19 2013 04:54 BliptiX wrote: Donal Noye? Mace Tyrell? Hard to put a character to him. Seems a bit light and young to be Mace Tyrell. Donal Noye sounds reasonable. That or Greyjoy uncle is my guess. If the secrecy holds and is not just a brief information lapse then I say Euron Greyjoy. To show watchers that character could stand to be made a surprize. Or maybe someone like the high sparrow if season 4 gets that far? There is nobody whose identity is a secret like Ramsay or (though it was cut) Barristan, so I'm inclined to think of people whose identity and the fact that they become involved as important characters is a plot point. Coldhands? (I think "Coldhands?" might be emerging as code for "no idea".) | ||
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TSORG
293 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18292 Posts
On July 19 2013 22:58 TSORG wrote: been rereading... and came to the conclusion that... Podrick Payne is awesome!!! Yes. But is he a sex god? On another note: I think the new actor could be Euron. He's a "surprise motherfucker" character, although moreso in the books, because we are told about all the horror stories. I'm not sure Euron has even been mentioned in the series. I can't think of any other secret characters that are sprung on us. Maybe Quentin Martell, but the actor is too white to be a Martell. The ONLY character that is truly supposed to have his identity hidden is (F)Aegon, but I don't see how they can start introducing him yet, unless they make up a large bit of new work about him with none of the usual characters (but then his identity won't be hidden from the viewers when he meets Tyrion). He seems too old to be Aegon, though. | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19138 Posts
On July 19 2013 08:11 Irrelevant Label wrote: Seems a bit light and young to be Mace Tyrell. Donal Noye sounds reasonable. That or Greyjoy uncle is my guess. If the secrecy holds and is not just a brief information lapse then I say Euron Greyjoy. To show watchers that character could stand to be made a surprize. Or maybe someone like the high sparrow if season 4 gets that far? There is nobody whose identity is a secret like Ramsay or (though it was cut) Barristan, so I'm inclined to think of people whose identity and the fact that they become involved as important characters is a plot point. Coldhands? (I think "Coldhands?" might be emerging as code for "no idea".) The high sparrow was my idea as well when I saw his pictures. Coldhands would be the second option in my book. I cannot see him as a Mace Tyrell even though he has a certain jovial cast to him that I could see as the "family thing" they have got going in the series. And who knows, if Arya gets to Braavos he might as well turn out to be the Kindly Man. | ||
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Nyovne
Netherlands19138 Posts
EDIT: But if GRRM wants him to become a zombie why not be kind of a white walkers leader? that would be insane. Especially if he does turn out to be a Targ haha. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18292 Posts
On July 19 2013 23:31 Nyovne wrote: The high sparrow was my idea as well when I saw his pictures. Coldhands would be the second option in my book. I cannot see him as a Mace Tyrell even though he has a certain jovial cast to him that I could see as the "family thing" they have got going in the series. And who knows, if Arya gets to Braavos he might as well turn out to be the Kindly Man. But coldhands is almost certainly benjen stark, who was cast in S1. Casting someone new would kill that theory dead. There is no reason to keep the high sparrow's identity a secret. Also no reason to keep the kindly man's identity a secret (unless they don't want to spoil for bookreaders that Arya will make it to Braavos in S4). | ||
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TSORG
293 Posts
in the books not XD hes like 10, but in the series everyone is a few years older. But hes way more awesome in the books than in the series. | ||
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TSORG
293 Posts
On July 19 2013 23:35 Acrofales wrote: But coldhands is almost certainly benjen stark, who was cast in S1. Casting someone new would kill that theory dead. There is no reason to keep the high sparrow's identity a secret. Also no reason to keep the kindly man's identity a secret (unless they don't want to spoil for bookreaders that Arya will make it to Braavos in S4). he is most likely not benjen. but it is true that another cast would eliminate him as a potential target, however its already not likely that he is coldhands. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On July 15 2013 17:47 GWdeathscythe wrote: Yeah I forgot about that. If he really died he can be on ghost body now, because as I understood from what brynden 3rd eye crow said, wargs can live inside the creature they "warged" after death. Like bran felt other presence inside one crow that he was training in and orell and varamyr passed to their animals too. Thats a nice possibility, personally, I think that this JonWolf is better than another zombie guy in westeros. EDIT: But if GRRM wants him to become a zombie why not be kind of a white walkers leader? that would be insane. I dont think helll go into ghost because it is said at some point that when the warg goes into his animal after death, his soul slowly fades away in said animal. That and the fact that Melisandre spent the entirety of the 5th book telling john snow how she is his only chance / only friend. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On July 19 2013 08:11 Irrelevant Label wrote: Seems a bit light and young to be Mace Tyrell. Donal Noye sounds reasonable. That or Greyjoy uncle is my guess. If the secrecy holds and is not just a brief information lapse then I say Euron Greyjoy. To show watchers that character could stand to be made a surprize. Or maybe someone like the high sparrow if season 4 gets that far? There is nobody whose identity is a secret like Ramsay or (though it was cut) Barristan, so I'm inclined to think of people whose identity and the fact that they become involved as important characters is a plot point. Coldhands? (I think "Coldhands?" might be emerging as code for "no idea".) I don't know, I always imagined Donal Noye to be a rather burly individual, probably from the combination of blacksmith as a profession and the ability to take down the king of the giants in single combat. If he weren't black (due to the wall being a strange place for a Summer Islander) and dead :'(, someone like Michael Clarke Duncan was what I pictured Donal Noye as being closer to. A Greyjoy character is probably most likely. With the right makeup/costuming and personality (I'm unfamiliar with his acting) he could make a convincing Crow's Eye. Have they introduced the Damphair or Victarion yet? It's hard to differentiate the show from the books since I'm reading through them again. Regardless, Balon's days are numbered in the show so I would imagine we would see Euron sometime early next season. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18292 Posts
On July 19 2013 23:42 TSORG wrote: he is most likely not benjen. but it is true that another cast would eliminate him as a potential target, however its already not likely that he is coldhands. Eh, I dunno. There don't seem to be many other likely candidates since the 3-eyed crow is Bloodraven. What other well-known character dies beyond the wall? The Night's King is pretty much the only other option, but just doesn't seem likely at all. | ||
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0x64
Finland4615 Posts
Edit: blah, little far fetched... 3 dragon eggs, I think euron only had one. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On July 20 2013 00:26 Acrofales wrote: Eh, I dunno. There don't seem to be many other likely candidates since the 3-eyed crow is Bloodraven. What other well-known character dies beyond the wall? The Night's King is pretty much the only other option, but just doesn't seem likely at all. Mostly people don't think Coldhands = Benjen because Leaf says Coldhands was killed long ago. Since Leaf is hundreds of years old it seems unlikely that Benjen's death would be long ago to her. Also it seems weird to me that if he is Benjen, why does he not tell Bran? It seems likely that Bran's eventual powers would allow him to figure it out anyway. I'm actually kind of frustrated there are no other theories about coldhands, to me it is an unsolved mystery. | ||
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TSORG
293 Posts
On July 20 2013 00:26 Acrofales wrote: Eh, I dunno. There don't seem to be many other likely candidates since the 3-eyed crow is Bloodraven. What other well-known character dies beyond the wall? The Night's King is pretty much the only other option, but just doesn't seem likely at all. Just look up the cold hands wiki, it explains quite well why its most likely not benjen. When coldhands first appeared i thought it was benjen as well, but later this made less and less sense. | ||
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