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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 28 2013 06:45 Redox wrote: Damn you might be on to something. Would totally fit. Except Cersei/Strong HAVE to win in order for her to outlive her children, and for the prophecy of Jaime/Tyrion killing her. Plus it is too soon. The books aFfC and aDwD may have been 7 years apart, but in actuality they are happening simultaneously. Do you really think Sandor would be in fit physical condition to even qualify for being their best fighter with that lame leg and having been on the brink of death? No. IF it does happen, it wouldn't be anytime soon and definitely wouldn't be to champion against Cersei. | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
On May 28 2013 07:10 Dosey wrote: Except Cersei/Strong HAVE to win in order for her to outlive her children, and for the prophecy of Jaime/Tyrion killing her. Plus it is too soon. The books aFfC and aDwD may have been 7 years apart, but in actuality they are happening simultaneously. Do you really think Sandor would be in fit physical condition to even qualify for being their best fighter with that lame leg and having been on the brink of death? No. IF it does happen, it wouldn't be anytime soon and definitely wouldn't be to champion against Cersei. or we get the fight and sandor just loses, clearing cersei of all blame? People who want the showdown (which they already had briefly in GoT at the tourney) dont say who they want to win - might as well be zombiestein Clegane instead of Holyman Clegane | ||
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SilentShout
686 Posts
On May 27 2013 23:30 Topin wrote: + Show Spoiler + A spanish interview by a chilean newspaper "El Mercurio" http://elcomercio.pe/espectaculos/1581684/noticia-george-r-martin-tengo-ideas-como-50-novelas-mas Three years working with HBO, ehat were the big challenge to adapt your books to tv? the books are hard to film. They are long, with a lot of characters, castles, direwolfs, dragons and paralel storys. We had to eliminate some characters, i hate that, but it had to be that way. Considering our resources we had done it well. I understand that, other than you, only HBO knows the real end of asoiaf Dave and Dan knows the way im taking . They know the general idea but all is in my head. How many seasons will you need for A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons? We dont know yet, the decision hasnt been taken. I hope it can be two seasons in that we can combine both books considering that these books happen in paralel but first we need to end the 4th season and wait for HBO to renew the series. How is it going the sixth book, The Winds of Winter? im not going to make any prediction. Im working on it, im making progress but is a big book.Definitely is not going to be ready this year. MAYBE i will publish it next year. Why is Tyrion Lanister your favorite character? Its really entertaining write about him, he is a very deep character and full of contradictions but also have to fight his own demons. Its easier to work than with a character that is always good or bad. How has your live change with the success of the books and the series? Mu live hahce changed in a positive and negative way. I never anticipated this level of fame. I cant go to the movies anymore, people ask me to take photos with them . There is a lot of good people in the fans, but they are so much that is difficult to pose for a photo when the only thing you want is eat your dinner. You started to write these books in 1991, how do you imagine yor life at the end of the saga? i will probably have 70. Maybe i will be thinking in retiring but i cant see me retired if my mind continues working and i can sit in front of a keyboard because i love telling storys. My head is full of characters and storys. I have ideas for like 50 more books of science fiction, fantasy, mistery. I also want to write tales (im not sure here, the interivew say "cuento" that is like children storys but is also translated as storys, but i think "tales" is better) and i would like to create new tv series. there are millions of thing i want to do but first i have to finisish asoif. When its done i will see what i start. P.S sorry for the bad english -_- So he means maybe 2014 then? Wow, I was expecting late 2015, or even 2016. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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sanctuz
Norway184 Posts
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On May 28 2013 08:12 Brett wrote: I like how he lists misery as a style of his writing... He sure gets that right at times! mystery, not misery | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On May 28 2013 07:10 Dosey wrote: Except Cersei/Strong HAVE to win in order for her to outlive her children, and for the prophecy of Jaime/Tyrion killing her. Plus it is too soon. The books aFfC and aDwD may have been 7 years apart, but in actuality they are happening simultaneously. Do you really think Sandor would be in fit physical condition to even qualify for being their best fighter with that lame leg and having been on the brink of death? No. IF it does happen, it wouldn't be anytime soon and definitely wouldn't be to champion against Cersei. She could lose and they might kill Tommen before her. Hard to say with Myrcella given where she is. They might not plan to kill her at all if she loses. Remember the culture here. She is just a wanton woman who tempted these men, that does not usually carry a death penalty. Their default course of action would be something like forcing her into some group like the silent sisters. My bet is she does something else which gets herself killed. Maybe she loses it, similar to what happened with Cat, after they kill Tommen? Maegi never said "your valonquar", it is "the valonquar". Everyone assumes Tyrion or Jaime, and that is reasonable and if forced to say a name I choose Jaime myself, but once again there is a spot for Sandor here... She also never said that they had to die before her, it is just the (again seemingly reasonable) assumption based on their wearing golden shrouds before Cersei dies. Wasn't Myrcella wearing a golden shroud lately to hide her scar? She was briefly held to be a queen by a handful of people in the plot that earned her that scar. She could already fulfill her part of the requirement. | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
Ah, yes. I guess I skimmed over it and didn't notice due to being misspelled. Both are appropriate anyway! | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On May 28 2013 06:26 Zozo wrote: If that was to happen, who do you guys think Sandor would champion for? Brienne? Jaime? Nymeria Sand? Arya? Himself? No one, just a random 1x1 bo1 without a crowd to watch? Sansa. On May 28 2013 06:58 Bigtony wrote: I don't think we will see Sandor again. The theory is a good one but I think he his final appearance with the monks was more of a 'wink wink' than a prelude to something else. At the very least, Sandor's Kingsguard cloak that he left with Sansa will have significance, as mentioned by GRRM in an interview somewhere. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 28 2013 10:04 Irrelevant Label wrote: She could lose and they might kill Tommen before her. Hard to say with Myrcella given where she is. They might not plan to kill her at all if she loses. Remember the culture here. She is just a wanton woman who tempted these men, that does not usually carry a death penalty. Their default course of action would be something like forcing her into some group like the silent sisters. My bet is she does something else which gets herself killed. Maybe she loses it, similar to what happened with Cat, after they kill Tommen? Maegi never said "your valonquar", it is "the valonquar". Everyone assumes Tyrion or Jaime, and that is reasonable and if forced to say a name I choose Jaime myself, but once again there is a spot for Sandor here... She also never said that they had to die before her, it is just the (again seemingly reasonable) assumption based on their wearing golden shrouds before Cersei dies. Wasn't Myrcella wearing a golden shroud lately to hide her scar? She was briefly held to be a queen by a handful of people in the plot that earned her that scar. She could already fulfill her part of the requirement. Wrong. She already confessed to those sins and did her walk of shame. There is no need to hold a trial for those crimes. The trial is for the accusations of murdering her husband (regicide), ordering the murder of the previous High Septon (deicide), and sexing up her bro bro (incest). Those crimes would have a harsher penalty than walking naked across town. As for the rest, you seem to be grasping at straws just to play devil's advocate here. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On May 28 2013 11:28 Dosey wrote: Wrong. She already confessed to those sins and did her walk of shame. There is no need to hold a trial for those crimes. The trial is for the accusations of murdering her husband (regicide), ordering the murder of the previous High Septon (deicide), and sexing up her bro bro (incest). Those crimes would have a harsher penalty than walking naked across town. As for the rest, you seem to be grasping at straws just to play devil's advocate here. That a woman is treated differently and along those lines still holds, but yes I had which charge she is still up for wrong. Someone has to see to the unfilled sides of an argument for any meaningful discussion of a matter of have taken place. From the other thread: Why do people think Stannis is the rightful king? This is very popular among book readers as well as show watchers, but it seems to require a certain doublethink to arrive at. It seems that the issue is very simple and leads to two answers: A. Line of succession matters and the rightful king is...erm, well whoever is the proper claim to the Targaryen dynasty. B. Conquest and realpolitik matter. All hail king Tommen (Joffrey for now to show watchers). To arrive at Stannis the Barathon conquest counts but apparently the Lannister one does not? I am not sure there is a very good basis for this stance. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On May 28 2013 07:10 Dosey wrote: Except Cersei/Strong HAVE to win in order for her to outlive her children, and for the prophecy of Jaime/Tyrion killing her. The prophecy could just end up being wrong. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 28 2013 11:32 Irrelevant Label wrote: That a woman is treated differently and along those lines still holds, but yes I had which charge she is still up for wrong. Someone has to see to the unfilled sides of an argument for any meaningful discussion of a matter of have taken place. Her sex matters not when being charged with murder of the two most important people in the entire realm... It isn't a meaningful discussion when the other party is just grasping at straws to try an make an argument plausible. Hey, Rickon is the younger brother, he's obviously going to be the one to kill Cersei. Why are people ignoring Rickon! + Show Spoiler + See, I can do it too. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On May 28 2013 11:41 Dosey wrote: Her sex matters not when being charged with murder of the two most important people in the entire realm... It isn't a meaningful discussion when the other party is just grasping at straws to try an make an argument plausible. Hey, Rickon is the younger brother, he's obviously going to be the one to kill Cersei. Why are people ignoring Rickon! + Show Spoiler + See, I can do it too. There is no reason to think Rickon, or numerous other non-firstborn males, would have anything to do with Cersei's trial. There is plenty of reason to think Sandor might have something to do with Cersei's trial. It is not a subtle or small difference. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 28 2013 11:43 Irrelevant Label wrote: There is no reason to think Rickon, or numerous other non-firstborn males, would have anything to do with Cersei's trial. There is plenty of reason to think Sandor might have something to do with Cersei's trial. It is not a subtle or small difference. Except your very suggestion is completely and totally contradictory to what you have said or even suggested previously. You say you think she will survive the trial. So if Sandor is the champion for the Sept, that mean that he would die at the trial at the hands of his brother. If he dies he cant possibly be the volunqar. And if Sandor wins, he is neither figuratively, nor literally strangling the life out of Cersei. He is merely doing his duty to the Seven as a novice after swearing his vows. It was on the Sept to decide to give him the vengeance he desired. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
i know that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be a champion of the faith, but that little detail seems a little discordant. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On May 28 2013 12:17 ticklishmusic wrote: i'm a little confused. isn't robert strong aka zombie gregor supposed to be of the faith as it is (armor with seven stars, etc.) i know that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be a champion of the faith, but that little detail seems a little discordant. Robert Strong is the work of Maester Qyburn. I think it's purely decorative for Cersei's cause. | ||
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Ario
Canada73 Posts
On May 28 2013 11:32 Irrelevant Label wrote: That a woman is treated differently and along those lines still holds, but yes I had which charge she is still up for wrong. Someone has to see to the unfilled sides of an argument for any meaningful discussion of a matter of have taken place. From the other thread: Why do people think Stannis is the rightful king? This is very popular among book readers as well as show watchers, but it seems to require a certain doublethink to arrive at. It seems that the issue is very simple and leads to two answers: A. Line of succession matters and the rightful king is...erm, well whoever is the proper claim to the Targaryen dynasty. B. Conquest and realpolitik matter. All hail king Tommen (Joffrey for now to show watchers). To arrive at Stannis the Barathon conquest counts but apparently the Lannister one does not? I am not sure there is a very good basis for this stance. I think most people use a combination of A and B. Rightful ruler is whoever takes the throne through conquest. If nobody does so, it follows the line of succession. The reason Stannis is considered the rightful king is because he is next in line. The reason the Lannister "conquest" doesn't count is because they didn't actually have a conquest. They kind of just sneakily stole the throne by using the Baratheon name. If they took over Westeros using the Lannister name and forced everyone to bend the knee, then Joffrey/Tommen can be considered the rightful king and their children would be next in line. | ||
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