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On May 25 2013 08:52 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 08:47 Requizen wrote:On May 25 2013 08:45 ticklishmusic wrote:
i'm watching the show
holy crap, this is pretty good. episode 6 when robert and cersei have their wife and husband talk, i baww'd a bit. Have you read the books Ticklish? If not, probably need to be in the other thread o.O i have, i'm on my fifth or sixth runthrough of the series i'm just here cuz i have a tendency to say the wrong things in threads with spoiler restrictions. also since i'm watching from the beginning of the series no one in that thread is going to talk to me :x
How have you not watched it yet? 
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I misread the name part, I'll admit but I did not misread the rest. When you said
Sandor = Gravedigger is not too far behind R+L=J, evolution and gravity. Frey pie and Theon being castrated (until the show decided to help that one along by corroborating) are probably the closest to equal with it. It was arguably the main topic of a whole chapter, even if it was never said directly.
I interpreted that as you saying Tobho Mott = FM is equal to Frey Pies so again I apologise for that. I should keep this more civil
Let's agree on this, you find TM = FM unlikely, I don't. Let's leave it at that
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Is it just me, or is Wyman Manderly quietly one of the most awesome characters in the entire series?
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On May 25 2013 09:20 Dakkas wrote:I misread the name part, I'll admit but I did not misread the rest. When you said Show nested quote +Sandor = Gravedigger is not too far behind R+L=J, evolution and gravity. Frey pie and Theon being castrated (until the show decided to help that one along by corroborating) are probably the closest to equal with it. It was arguably the main topic of a whole chapter, even if it was never said directly. I interpreted that as you saying Tobho Mott = FM is equal to Frey Pies so again I apologise for that. I should keep this more civil Let's agree on this, you find TM = FM unlikely, I don't. Let's leave it at that
I was comparing Sandor as a the gravedigger to Frey pie and Theon's castration. All of these are very likely, bordering on as certain as theories tend to get.
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On May 25 2013 07:49 Tiwo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 05:30 BallinWitStalin wrote:On May 25 2013 05:02 Irrelevant Label wrote:
We do not even know if Izembaro is a person or a place...maybe even a ship or something. It is reasonable enough to say it is a Braavosi name. Similarly Tobho might actually be a Braavosi name rather than Qohor..ish, ic, Qohoyne, Qhoynish? That is about it. So yes, I don't hold that one much regard either.
Euron hiring a FM is a funny case of almost no evidence other than a prophetic statement (low value of course) and reasoning, yet the reasoning is good enough that it is not generally doubted. Between that and accident it is reasonable to favor it, but yes it is actually quite weak. It is still better than the Tobho stuff because at least it passes as a competitively simple explanation wheras the Tobho stuff is fairly complex with simpler alternatives.
Sandor = Gravedigger is not too far behind R+L=J, evolution and gravity. Frey pie and Theon being castrated (until the show decided to help that one along by corroborating) are probably the closest to equal with it. It was arguably the main topic of a whole chapter, even if it was never said directly. Theon being castrated was never, ever in doubt. That was pretty specified. I'm pretty sure not everyone knew about Theon being castrated, I didn't. I read about it, but without quotes form the book, and I can't think of a moment that may have implied it. Also, I just googled Frey Pie, holy shit  Didn't knew about that. Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 07:45 daemir wrote:
Indeed, how many times was it said in the books to Theon or thought by Theon that he is not even a man. The same way they describe eunuchs. I implied that as a "Dog", a pet for the bastard, since he was more at home at that.
"Ramsay rose, the firelight shining on his face. "Reek, get over here. Get her ready for me."
For a moment he did not understand. "I... do you mean... m'lord, I have no... I..."
"With your mouth," Lord Ramsay said"
and
""...he'd taken fingers and toes and the other thing""
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On May 25 2013 09:34 Whitewing wrote:
Is it just me, or is Wyman Manderly quietly one of the most awesome characters in the entire series?
No. It is not just you.
EDIT: I TAKE IT BACK.
I SAID NOTHING
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On May 25 2013 10:00 BallinWitStalin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 09:34 Whitewing wrote:
Is it just me, or is Wyman Manderly quietly one of the most awesome characters in the entire series? No. It is not just you. God I hope he doesn't get killed off.
You should know better than to say that ever.
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On May 25 2013 08:19 InToTheWannaB wrote:
In order to get a FM to kill for u don't you have to kill yourself? At least i thought you did. Also if anyone has a camera and knows someone who going to see the red wedding for the first time i love to see reaction videos :p
No, it's based upon value and what the requesting party treasures most iirc. The story you are probably remembering is how the FM got started. The slave who made the request to kill his master had nothing of value to offer the God so he offered his life. From that day forward they were two instead of one. He offered his life in service not sacrifice.
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On May 25 2013 09:58 BallinWitStalin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 07:49 Tiwo wrote:On May 25 2013 05:30 BallinWitStalin wrote:On May 25 2013 05:02 Irrelevant Label wrote:
We do not even know if Izembaro is a person or a place...maybe even a ship or something. It is reasonable enough to say it is a Braavosi name. Similarly Tobho might actually be a Braavosi name rather than Qohor..ish, ic, Qohoyne, Qhoynish? That is about it. So yes, I don't hold that one much regard either.
Euron hiring a FM is a funny case of almost no evidence other than a prophetic statement (low value of course) and reasoning, yet the reasoning is good enough that it is not generally doubted. Between that and accident it is reasonable to favor it, but yes it is actually quite weak. It is still better than the Tobho stuff because at least it passes as a competitively simple explanation wheras the Tobho stuff is fairly complex with simpler alternatives.
Sandor = Gravedigger is not too far behind R+L=J, evolution and gravity. Frey pie and Theon being castrated (until the show decided to help that one along by corroborating) are probably the closest to equal with it. It was arguably the main topic of a whole chapter, even if it was never said directly. Theon being castrated was never, ever in doubt. That was pretty specified. I'm pretty sure not everyone knew about Theon being castrated, I didn't. I read about it, but without quotes form the book, and I can't think of a moment that may have implied it. Also, I just googled Frey Pie, holy shit Didn't knew about that. On May 25 2013 07:45 daemir wrote:
Indeed, how many times was it said in the books to Theon or thought by Theon that he is not even a man. The same way they describe eunuchs. I implied that as a "Dog", a pet for the bastard, since he was more at home at that. "Ramsay rose, the firelight shining on his face. "Reek, get over here. Get her ready for me." For a moment he did not understand. "I... do you mean... m'lord, I have no... I..." "With your mouth," Lord Ramsay said" and ""...he'd taken fingers and toes and the other thing""
How could I have missed that, I guess I just didn't expected it and couldn't picture it. Tnx for quoting
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On May 25 2013 09:34 Whitewing wrote:
Is it just me, or is Wyman Manderly quietly one of the most awesome characters in the entire series?
I love him. He isn't scared if boltons/freys find out. His house is secured with an heir. He plots to bring his liege lord back. He is a man with nothing to lose
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On May 25 2013 18:33 Tiwo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 09:58 BallinWitStalin wrote:On May 25 2013 07:49 Tiwo wrote:On May 25 2013 05:30 BallinWitStalin wrote:On May 25 2013 05:02 Irrelevant Label wrote:
We do not even know if Izembaro is a person or a place...maybe even a ship or something. It is reasonable enough to say it is a Braavosi name. Similarly Tobho might actually be a Braavosi name rather than Qohor..ish, ic, Qohoyne, Qhoynish? That is about it. So yes, I don't hold that one much regard either.
Euron hiring a FM is a funny case of almost no evidence other than a prophetic statement (low value of course) and reasoning, yet the reasoning is good enough that it is not generally doubted. Between that and accident it is reasonable to favor it, but yes it is actually quite weak. It is still better than the Tobho stuff because at least it passes as a competitively simple explanation wheras the Tobho stuff is fairly complex with simpler alternatives.
Sandor = Gravedigger is not too far behind R+L=J, evolution and gravity. Frey pie and Theon being castrated (until the show decided to help that one along by corroborating) are probably the closest to equal with it. It was arguably the main topic of a whole chapter, even if it was never said directly. Theon being castrated was never, ever in doubt. That was pretty specified. I'm pretty sure not everyone knew about Theon being castrated, I didn't. I read about it, but without quotes form the book, and I can't think of a moment that may have implied it. Also, I just googled Frey Pie, holy shit Didn't knew about that. On May 25 2013 07:45 daemir wrote:
Indeed, how many times was it said in the books to Theon or thought by Theon that he is not even a man. The same way they describe eunuchs. I implied that as a "Dog", a pet for the bastard, since he was more at home at that. "Ramsay rose, the firelight shining on his face. "Reek, get over here. Get her ready for me." For a moment he did not understand. "I... do you mean... m'lord, I have no... I..." "With your mouth," Lord Ramsay said" and ""...he'd taken fingers and toes and the other thing"" How could I have missed that, I guess I just didn't expected it and couldn't picture it. Tnx for quoting
Castration is not the same as removing the penis. With castration he should still be able to perform.
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On May 25 2013 19:18 Delphiki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 09:34 Whitewing wrote:
Is it just me, or is Wyman Manderly quietly one of the most awesome characters in the entire series? I love him. He isn't scared if boltons/freys find out. His house is secured with an heir. He plots to bring his liege lord back. He is a man with nothing to lose
He has plenty to lose, it's the fact that he's doing this with a lot to lose that makes him so badass.
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His granddaughter is way more badass
I want more davos
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On May 25 2013 09:20 heishe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 08:52 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 25 2013 08:47 Requizen wrote:On May 25 2013 08:45 ticklishmusic wrote:
i'm watching the show
holy crap, this is pretty good. episode 6 when robert and cersei have their wife and husband talk, i baww'd a bit. Have you read the books Ticklish? If not, probably need to be in the other thread o.O i have, i'm on my fifth or sixth runthrough of the series i'm just here cuz i have a tendency to say the wrong things in threads with spoiler restrictions. also since i'm watching from the beginning of the series no one in that thread is going to talk to me :x How have you not watched it yet?
I generally prefer books over TV shows even if TV shows are well made b/c I can set my pace-- a page can be a minute, two minutes, or even three minutes of reading. TV show you have to watch the damn thing otherwise you miss stuff. A minute of the show is a minute, no real way around that.
I agree about Wyman Manderly. iIf you include illyrio and doran martell, one of the lessons of the story is to never underestimate a fat man.
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Doran is not fat!
But otherwise as you were saying, and also with Sam Tarly and Strong Belwas. Sort of.
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On May 26 2013 06:10 KOFgokuon wrote:
His granddaughter is way more badass
I want more davos
Everyone wants more Davos, he's pretty much the only universally loved POV across every forum I frequent along with Arya.
I simply cannot wait until the show does his meeting with Wyman and utters all those beautiful lines. Liam Cunningham does Davos so perfectly
"Jared of House Frey, I name you liar"
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On May 27 2013 12:53 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 06:10 KOFgokuon wrote:
His granddaughter is way more badass
I want more davos Everyone wants more Davos, he's pretty much the only universally loved POV across every forum I frequent along with Arya. I simply cannot wait until the show does his meeting with Wyman and utters all those beautiful lines. Liam Cunningham does Davos so perfectly "Jared of House Frey, I name you liar"
What? Davos was the most boring PoV in ACoK, IMO. I had no idea people actually liked his POV and I've heard many reviewers say Cunningham brings a really boring character to life.
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So all my friends who were disappointed when they found out this weeks episode is delayed because of Memorial Day are basically being fed by me that the next episode will be one of the best, and everyone will love it; as I've read the book and can figure out what should happen in Episode 9.
Half the people think its Joff getting told off by Tywin/getting killed at his wedding or Dany leads another Sack of Yunkai in an absurdly epic episode. Oh wow beautiful this is going to be 
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If Davos dies I'll make my way to GRRM's house, camp outside and cry so loud he will never be able to sleep again.
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On May 27 2013 14:36 sung_moon wrote:So all my friends who were disappointed when they found out this weeks episode is delayed because of Memorial Day are basically being fed by me that the next episode will be one of the best, and everyone will love it; as I've read the book and can figure out what should happen in Episode 9. Half the people think its Joff getting told off by Tywin/getting killed at his wedding or Dany leads another Sack of Yunkai in an absurdly epic episode. Oh wow beautiful this is going to be
The preview for Episode 9 seemed like it was just going to be the Sack of Yunkai. Is RW confirmed for the next episode? I was hoping it would be the season finale.
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