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They could also make books 4 and 5 into three seasons conceivably. In order to make them into just two they have to make Dorne and the Iron Islands a bit simpler. Keep them equally detailed with the other regions and they would have the content for three seasons easily.
They also have the Mereenese knot to untangle in the show version of the story. I would imagine Dany will take a different path from the books again sometime after Yunkai. That could easily contribute to making books 4-5 into seasons 5-7.
I'm I the only who doesn't see the book series ending in 2 books? considering how slow the plot is going on in books 4 and 5, 2 books won't be enough and I'm not sure about 3 either. The plot lines are still expanding and the time for them to combine together into an epic finish seems really far away. Hell I don't know how he will even fit all the POVs from book 4 and 5 into one book. And about him writing the 6th and 7th book faster, GRRM stated that the reason why it took him so long to write ADWD is trying to make the meereenese knot as perfect as possible. Now think about how much harder it will be for him to plan the combination of all the plot lines back into one place(or most of them), the north. I can see a possibility that the TV-show passing the books or GRRM starting to feel the heat in 2/3 years and really stepping it up for the book fans.
On April 25 2013 08:18 adiga wrote: I'm I the only who doesn't see the book series ending in 2 books? considering how slow the plot is going on in books 4 and 5, 2 books won't be enough and I'm not sure about 3 either. The plot lines are still expanding and the time for them to combine together into an epic finish seems really far away. Hell I don't know how he will even fit all the POVs from book 4 and 5 into one book. And about him writing the 6th and 7th book faster, GRRM stated that the reason why it took him so long to write ADWD is trying to make the meereenese knot as perfect as possible. Now think about how much harder it will be for him to plan the combination of all the plot lines back into one place(or most of them), the north. I can see a possibility that the TV-show passing the books or GRRM starting to feel the heat in 2/3 years and really stepping it up for the book fans.
No, you are not the only one. It was originally a trilogy when he first started, then five once he got goingI think?, and finally it has been planned as 7 books after he reconsidered things once he had finished book 3. We 'lost' a book when book 4 became books 4 and 5. How he plans to keep it to 7 at this point is a mystery. To my knowledge he has never addressed the issue.
If it were to be eight books that ends all discussion of if the show can avoid passing them. That is probably not a minor consideration in his plans.
On April 24 2013 11:07 Cayn wrote: http://www.serienjunkies.de/news/game-thrones-48771.html is a German Website which hase some short summarys of the next episodes and as it seems Gendry will indeed take the Part of Edric Stormborn a bit Translation of the 3x06 part says melissandre is on a meeting in the Riverlands and in 3x07 that she will tell gendry a secret.
Here's something I don't like about that show. It seems like it confirms what is happening in the later books before they are released. If Gendry finds out now, in the show, that he is the son of Robert, then it means the reveal to him later, in the books, that he is Robert's son, will not play a big part in his character. The fact they're rushing that reveal about his father, shows the timing of it doesn't matter. And if the timing doesn't matter, it must not be that important of a reveal later in the books. Part of me had hoped something would happen with Gendry when he found out he was Robert's bastard. But now it seems it won't be anything important, in the books at least, since they're changing his plot.
Another example, the fact that it appears they're not going to have Willas or Garland Tyrell in the show, makes it seem like the Tyrell character's wont be very important in the next two novels. Because if the Tyrell's were important, then all of their sons would be important, and they wouldn't be able to consolidate three sons into one character in the TV show.
And finally, I'm worried, though I probably shouldn't be, that GRRM will let the last of his novels be influenced by the fact that he knows they're going to be written as TV shows.
Why can you say the lack of Willas or Garlan is a negative point? Do you think even more named characters is what the show needs? Willas is absoutely irrelevent and Garlan is completely superflous. Everyone I know that watches the show only know like 5 names, adding more people will only confuse people more.
Gendry becoming something was always wishful thinking
But completely ignoring the requirements of tv-shows and tv-show audiences is what people are all about with this show. That's called illusional elitism.
I think you guys are completely fucking misunderstanding my points. I'm not saying they should include irrelevant characters in the show. I understand the constraints of television. I'm saying, the fact that certain characters plot points are changed in the show, foretells the fact that they won't later be important in the book. Plot points that are seemingly minor now, can still have major implications later (petrified dragon eggs). But if they're changed in the show, its telling you those plot points were basically irrelevant in the book. And if they're irrelevant enough to leave out completely, then its basically guaranteed they won't be relevant in books 6 or 7. By cutting out Sansa's potential hook up with Willas, and replacing it with Loras, it would seem Willas is not going to be very relevant later in the books. This may not be the best example of what i'm trying to say, but you should be able to understand what I'm arguing now.
The TV show clues in to what plots are going to be relevant later, and what plots are irrelevant. Sure, maybe Gendry becoming something was wishful thinking. But that's the fucking point. That's what I fucking like about the books. I like the fact that I don't know what coming, and that I can speculate, and that I can wish. I wouldn't care half as much about this series, if I already knew how all the plots were already going to end. The TV show can't necessarily do anything about this, and they're not responsible for stopping it, but its just a fact that it will inadvertently clue you in to what plots are relevant and what plots aren't. I'm not mad at the show for doing it. Its just an unfortunate truth, and something I decided to point out
I'm not trying to say "they should do the show like the books, because I like the books". I'm saying "if they don't do this in the show, then it must not be relevant later in the books". So don't make condescending posts, if you're not going to even address the right points.
On April 25 2013 09:34 BlueBird. wrote: Problem with running the tv show on forever is that the younger actors/actresses will outgrow their roles quickly.
This is my worry. Even if they keep it to seven books, how the hell are they going to get all the seasons done before the actors get too old? Each season premieres about a year after the preceding one and they're planning to do 8 seasons. Brann is going to be pretty damn old by the last season if this is the case.
On April 25 2013 08:18 adiga wrote: I'm I the only who doesn't see the book series ending in 2 books? considering how slow the plot is going on in books 4 and 5, 2 books won't be enough and I'm not sure about 3 either. The plot lines are still expanding and the time for them to combine together into an epic finish seems really far away. Hell I don't know how he will even fit all the POVs from book 4 and 5 into one book. And about him writing the 6th and 7th book faster, GRRM stated that the reason why it took him so long to write ADWD is trying to make the meereenese knot as perfect as possible. Now think about how much harder it will be for him to plan the combination of all the plot lines back into one place(or most of them), the north. I can see a possibility that the TV-show passing the books or GRRM starting to feel the heat in 2/3 years and really stepping it up for the book fans.
Didn't he say that each book was going to be 2 seasons from now on though? He has plenty of time to finish the books as long as he isn't too involved in the running of the TV series.
On April 25 2013 10:08 TomatoShark wrote: where does ice the 2 hand valarian steel greatsword go?
It was used to forge two other swords, one given to Joffrey and later on to Tommen and the other to Jaime, who later gives it to Brienne.
Yeap. Joffrey's(Now Tommen's) longsword is named Widow's Wail and Jaime's(Now Brienne's)is called Oathkeeper.
Edit: Both were named by their original owners, Jaime named his as he gave it to Brienne.
"A sword so fine must bear a name. It would please me if you would call this one ‘Oathkeeper’....You'll be defending Ned Stark's daughter with Ned Stark's own steel... Sansa Stark is my last chance for honor."
Btw these YT history shorts being read out from the POV's of the actors portraying them in the show (Stark children explaining the Stark history, Robert's Rebellion from Stannis's/Tywins POV etc.) are absolutely fucking amazing.
Hearing Stannis grudgingly explain how he did his duty to Robert with no gratitude in return, or Robert scorning Aerys/Rhaegar are ridiculously well done.
edit: From the GoT Blu-Ray's. Can find the rest on the related videos list. Stannis/Robert/Tywin are amazing storytellers lol. My personal fav:
On April 25 2013 10:43 sung_moon wrote: Btw these YT history shorts being read out from the POV's of the actors portraying them in the show (Stark children explaining the Stark history, Robert's Rebellion from Stannis's/Tywins POV etc.) are absolutely fucking amazing.
Hearing Stannis grudgingly explain how he did his duty to Robert with no gratitude in return, or Robert scorning Aerys/Rhaegar are ridiculously well done.
On April 25 2013 07:52 LoLAdriankat wrote: GRRM uses an MS-DOS computer with Wordstar 4.0 to write. <_<
You serious?
Yup.
THE EFFECT OF SOCIAL MEDIA ON PUBLISHING George R.R. Martin: You know I think every little bit helps. There's no doubt that we're moving into a new age of media, and the days where a writer could just write his books and have them published and never interact with the public are gone. We do have all these new social media and all these ways of reaching out, and I think that trend is likely to continue. Where it's gonna lead, I really have no idea. You know, I'm partly still the kind of guy that would like to tie messages to legs of ravens to get the word out. But I do use a computer. I have since 1982, so I'm adapting as best as I can to this new world. [In the Q&A session later that evening, Martin revealed what he writes on: a DOS machine running WordStar 4.0.]
I really hope whoever does IT for him figured out something clever to handle backups, I really dislike the idea of the single updated copy of the next book residing on ancient hardware. I probably would have placed him on a VM if he cared about wordstar 4.0 so much.
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