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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
You are watching a show about ZOMBIES, something that doesn't even exist. Holy shit, seriously, you're all getting really annoying. "durr, the zombie let go of Carl but killed Dale lolololol" If you want something real and completely logical, then go find that show. So I can assume that judging by next weeks clip that: + Show Spoiler + Rick decides to release the kid to try and prove Dale wrong about the group being broken. The kid apparently attacks Shane while Shane is trying to lead him off of the land, and then they either go find the kid or start preparing more patrols/watchouts. | ||
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zimms
Austria561 Posts
On March 06 2012 10:07 Cloud9157 wrote: I lol @ all the people poking holes in the logic of this show. You are watching a show about ZOMBIES, something that doesn't even exist. Holy shit, seriously, you're all getting really annoying. "durr, the zombie let go of Carl but killed Dale lolololol" If you want something real and completely logical, then go find that show. [...] People like you just don't get it. Yes, we know zombies aren't real, but in the show there is some kind of explenation why they exist. And of course there needs to be some kind of logic. Otherwise the whole show would be pointless. Would you enjoy it if in the next episode some aliens appear with their UFOs and just bomb the shit out of everything? And after that a bunch of 500 feet high giraffes show up and defeat the aliens. -.- | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
On March 06 2012 10:16 zimms wrote: Would you enjoy it if in the next episode some aliens appear with their UFOs and just bomb the shit out of everything? And after that a bunch of 500 feet high giraffes show up and defeat the aliens. YES | ||
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
On March 06 2012 10:07 Cloud9157 wrote: I lol @ all the people poking holes in the logic of this show. You are watching a show about ZOMBIES, something that doesn't even exist. Holy shit, seriously, you're all getting really annoying. "durr, the zombie let go of Carl but killed Dale lolololol" If you want something real and completely logical, then go find that show. So I can assume that judging by next weeks clip that: + Show Spoiler + Rick decides to release the kid to try and prove Dale wrong about the group being broken. The kid apparently attacks Shane while Shane is trying to lead him off of the land, and then they either go find the kid or start preparing more patrols/watchouts. didn't we have a topic a while ago about logic in movies/tv shows? fiction has to establish a world with a certain set of rules and once that's set, when it changes the rules with no explanation, it ticks people off. | ||
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Hurlbag
United Kingdom46 Posts
On March 06 2012 10:07 Cloud9157 wrote: I lol @ all the people poking holes in the logic of this show. You are watching a show about ZOMBIES, something that doesn't even exist. Holy shit, seriously, you're all getting really annoying. "durr, the zombie let go of Carl but killed Dale lolololol" If you want something real and completely logical, then go find that show. My thoughts exactly, it's a zombie apocalypse. People being way over-critical about every detail makes for a boring read. Was sad to see Dale go  he was one of the more likable characters due to his good intent, a lot more outspoken this episode which was a great scene.I get the feeling Shane's character will ease up a lot now, as much of a gigantic penis he is i'd like to see him find himself again. | ||
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On March 06 2012 10:16 zimms wrote: People like you just don't get it. Yes, we know zombies aren't real, but in the show there is some kind of explenation why they exist. And of course there needs to be some kind of logic. Otherwise the whole show would be pointless. Would you enjoy it if in the next episode some aliens appear with their UFOs and just bomb the shit out of everything? And after that a bunch of 500 feet high giraffes show up and defeat the aliens. -.- I know I would. But honestly, they haven't even begun to grasp how illogical this show is. How did that specific zombie find the farm? The most likely "reason" is that he has a sense of smell. But logic flaw here, zombies aren't living and don't use anything unnecessary (I'll allow them to continue using their muscles even though that is debatable in a rotting corpse) such as their lungs and heart (pretty blatant they wouldn't have a pulse or blood pressure). If they don't use their lungs how are they inhaling (smelling) the scent that this particular zombie followed? Again if the lungs aren't being used how are they making any sound at all? Now let's say they are able to use their lungs, what the fuck, they inhale oxygen/air but it has no where to go as there is no blood being pumped through the lungs (as there is no blood, nor blood flow). Now I agree, arguing the above points would be silly and would quickly lead to the debunking of zombie possible existence (atleast the way they are portrayed in the show), but simply pointing out how poorly the show was written because a zombie who could not capture a panicking child was able subdue a grown adult with plenty of adrenaline. I mean was it too hard to suggest that Dale may have shot himself or otherwise hurt himself during the fight? No, Dale vs Zombie, Zombie attempts to eat Dales face, Dale defends his face with all of his power whilst the zombie opens Dale up with his hands. I mean this zombie is probably less than a hundred pounds and has been poorly nourished in the previous months and has little muscle on him, yet Dale was unable to defend himself even with all the adrenaline while fully conscious nothing physically wrong with him. Is it too much to suggest that a full grown male with loads of adrenaline ought to be able to fight off a, I don't know, 75 lb zombie with already crippled mobility? | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On March 05 2012 20:06 Kamikiri wrote: Yeah I agree. As well as maybe Glen (which isn't too hard of a character to play though), he definitely portrayed a very real person. The quality of the show will unfortunately just go down without him in my opinion; Not by much of course though, since most of it is up to the writing, directing, and other actor's acting.Its a shame Dale died, he was such a great actor and added a ton to the show. Should have had Lori get massacred by the zombie that Carl lead to the group she is the most hated person on the show so far. Edit: I really want to emphasize how good of an Actor the guy who played Dale is. Watching the show I felt like I really saw someone genuinely concerned and trying to prove a point to save someones life. When he was laying there dying it looked so real and convincing, I really have to give huge props to Dale he is a fantastic actor and if he ended up on another tv series I would watch it. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On March 06 2012 10:29 Sprungjeezy wrote: I know I would. But honestly, they haven't even begun to grasp how illogical this show is. How did that specific zombie find the farm? The most likely "reason" is that he has a sense of smell. But logic flaw here, zombies aren't living and don't use anything unnecessary (I'll allow them to continue using their muscles even though that is debatable in a rotting corpse) such as their lungs and heart (pretty blatant they wouldn't have a pulse or blood pressure). If they don't use their lungs how are they inhaling (smelling) the scent that this particular zombie followed? Again if the lungs aren't being used how are they making any sound at all? Now let's say they are able to use their lungs, what the fuck, they inhale oxygen/air but it has no where to go as there is no blood being pumped through the lungs (as there is no blood, nor blood flow). Now I agree, arguing the above points would be silly and would quickly lead to the debunking of zombie possible existence (atleast the way they are portrayed in the show), but simply pointing out how poorly the show was written because a zombie who could not capture a panicking child was able subdue a grown adult with plenty of adrenaline. I mean was it too hard to suggest that Dale may have shot himself or otherwise hurt himself during the fight? No, Dale vs Zombie, Zombie attempts to eat Dales face, Dale defends his face with all of his power whilst the zombie opens Dale up with his hands. I mean this zombie is probably less than a hundred pounds and has been poorly nourished in the previous months and has little muscle on him, yet Dale was unable to defend himself even with all the adrenaline while fully conscious nothing physically wrong with him. Is it too much to suggest that a full grown male with loads of adrenaline ought to be able to fight off a, I don't know, 75 lb zombie with already crippled mobility? You're taking a ton of assumptions here about the zombies. They've already shown that zombies both can smell/taste blood and prefer it over other things in their rage. They obviously also can HEAR gun shots, so they have SOME senses, which COULD also include a sense of smell, especially if they detect a cow wandering around by itself. It never showed Carl running away from the zombie so fast that he couldn't have followed close enough behind that he can at least notice the cow. Also they are attracted to light (as shown in season 1 when the black guy and his son turn off the lights at night to keep the zombies away. ALL OF THESE could've attracted the zombie to the farm. claiming they don't use any senses is bullshit when it's ALREADY been shown they have some senses. Just because they may not 'breathe' doesn't mean they may not have the senses to still smell things. barring all that, assuming zombies in this world aren't what YOU think they are, regarding Dale not being able tp push off the zombie is plausible. You make assumptions about the weight of said zombie, and you also neglect the fact that he just feasted on the cow, so he probably was able to regain strength that he didn't have when trying to grab carl, also carl had the advantage of the zombie being stuck, while zombie had the advantage against dale because he caught him by surprise and knocked him down. There has never been any indication of Dale being overly able bodied, he's old as shit from what we can tell and he's never done anything physical in the show to display strength otherwise. There's also panic which can set in and scare you, there's also the fact that Dale is contemplating not wanting to live in this world anymore anyways and wasn't fighting with all his strength. I think they've likewise stated that the walkers/zombies/etc all are in states of extreme hunger and could possibly have high doses of adrenaline in them as well? cmon the thing just ate a fucking cow and took it down, that's not enough to explain to people that he could take down an overweight old man? Keep picking at straws though about this and that, while you tear apart a good show because it doesn't conform to YOUR definition of a zombie. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On March 06 2012 10:16 zimms wrote: People like you just don't get it. Yes, we know zombies aren't real, but in the show there is some kind of explenation why they exist. And of course there needs to be some kind of logic. Otherwise the whole show would be pointless. Would you enjoy it if in the next episode some aliens appear with their UFOs and just bomb the shit out of everything? And after that a bunch of 500 feet high giraffes show up and defeat the aliens. -.- wooooow You're honestly going to compare something like the whole Swamp Zombie situation, which can and has been explained with possible reasons by people in this thread, with fucking aliens and 500 ft giraffes? You're grabbing at air. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On March 06 2012 10:42 Kazeyonoma wrote: You're taking a ton of assumptions here about the zombies. They've already shown that zombies both can smell/taste blood and prefer it over other things in their rage. They obviously also can HEAR gun shots, so they have SOME senses, which COULD also include a sense of smell, especially if they detect a cow wandering around by itself. It never showed Carl running away from the zombie so fast that he couldn't have followed close enough behind that he can at least notice the cow. Also they are attracted to light (as shown in season 1 when the black guy and his son turn off the lights at night to keep the zombies away. ALL OF THESE could've attracted the zombie to the farm. claiming they don't use any senses is bullshit when it's ALREADY been shown they have some senses. Just because they may not 'breathe' doesn't mean they may not have the senses to still smell things. barring all that, assuming zombies in this world aren't what YOU think they are, regarding Dale not being able tp push off the zombie is plausible. You make assumptions about the weight of said zombie, and you also neglect the fact that he just feasted on the cow, so he probably was able to regain strength that he didn't have when trying to grab carl, also carl had the advantage of the zombie being stuck, while zombie had the advantage against dale because he caught him by surprise and knocked him down. There has never been any indication of Dale being overly able bodied, he's old as shit from what we can tell and he's never done anything physical in the show to display strength otherwise. There's also panic which can set in and scare you, there's also the fact that Dale is contemplating not wanting to live in this world anymore anyways and wasn't fighting with all his strength. I think they've likewise stated that the walkers/zombies/etc all are in states of extreme hunger and could possibly have high doses of adrenaline in them as well? cmon the thing just ate a fucking cow and took it down, that's not enough to explain to people that he could take down an overweight old man? Keep picking at straws though about this and that, while you tear apart a good show because it doesn't conform to YOUR definition of a zombie. I'm not sure how to respond to this. It honestly seems like you're trolling me, but to the point where I'm not sure if you are or not. "Zombies have senses, not because its physically possible, but because they have them." Humans have senses, but if one were to lose the nerves in part of his body, he would no longer be able to feel that part of the body. If they break their spine (the wiring required to feel because it is the only thing that attaches it's extremities to the brain) they would no long have the sense of feeling. This is why zombies don't feel pain or react to pain, they have none of the requisites to the sense of feeling. One could further argue the sense of smell is not possible again because it requires a connection to the brain, but I will pass over this argument as there is no distinction to what is wrong with their brain because if it were not for the brain being the only actual vital organ, then the zombie would not die when its brain is destroyed by knife or gun. But you see, this was only a silly and lighthearted statement of mine to show how much could really be argued about the logicalness of the show. It was to show that in comparison, saying Dale ought to be able to fight off a zombie is an extraordinarily small thing to ask for, but you seemingly missed that part of my post, or were too furious at me bashing the show you live for. But if you honestly want to argue the possibility of zombies not actually physically meeting the requisites of having the 5 senses we humans have, I don't think I can have a serious discussion with you about it. | ||
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rea1ity
United Kingdom385 Posts
The best thing about the episode is that a completely useless and tediously annoying character has been offed. Now we just need Carol to go too and the show might just find a safe haven. I'll say it once and I'll say it again, the show needs Rick, Shane and Daryl to take a definite center role with the support cast being just that, support cast. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
They need to show EVERY detail and EVERY event that leads up to a surprising situation. For example, they should have shown the zombie that ate the cow wandering off because he may have heard something in the woods, but then turned around and saw Dale! Oh, and maybe they should have shown the zombie chasing after Carl for a few seconds. Like y'know, he freed himself from the mud and decided to go after his prey, then gives up because he won't get to him. Oh, and they should obviously show the zombie wandering around. Like maybe they could show him looking at the trees he passes and then show him finding the farm, or even hearing a cow moo! Doing things like that would definitely solve all the problems wrong with the show and make it nice and logical! Too bad I want to watch a show full of some worthy content, instead of nitpicking every fucking thing that hasn't been explained. And by the way, I still have yet to see 1 zombie movie/show that has actually EXPLAINED how a zombie works. One would think its enough to know that zombies want to eat you and thats basically all thats going on in their minds. Apparently not though. | ||
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
On March 06 2012 10:07 Cloud9157 wrote: I lol @ all the people poking holes in the logic of this show. You are watching a show about ZOMBIES, something that doesn't even exist. Holy shit, seriously, you're all getting really annoying. "durr, the zombie let go of Carl but killed Dale lolololol" If you want something real and completely logical, then go find that show. So I can assume that judging by next weeks clip that: + Show Spoiler + Rick decides to release the kid to try and prove Dale wrong about the group being broken. The kid apparently attacks Shane while Shane is trying to lead him off of the land, and then they either go find the kid or start preparing more patrols/watchouts. so what kind of plot holes are we supposed to put up with? just because the story has a fictional premise doesn't mean that characters should undergo a magical healing process or that carl just spidermans up into the barn or whatever. i guess this show isn't ridiculous enough, how about adding a deus ex machina of a magical tribe of unicorns flying into the farm to save rick and his people, then do a typical 5-6 episode yap fest, followed by a 30 second reveal of how they're actually ZOMBIE UNICORNS and they actually just wanted to feast on them. especially carl! young'uns taste the best! and there's no need to draw these ridiculous dichotomies of where people criticizing the show = hate it. You can watch a show and still criticize it, if fans don't voice their opinion, how the fuck is a show supposed to get better. And you best believe that the producers/writers hear the comments (eg/ through venues like ComicCon). | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On March 06 2012 11:45 ballasdontcry wrote: so what kind of plot holes are we supposed to put up with? just because the story has a fictional premise doesn't mean that characters should undergo a magical healing process or that carl just spidermans up into the barn or whatever. i guess this show isn't ridiculous enough, how about adding a deus ex machina of a magical tribe of unicorns flying into the farm to save rick and his people, then do a typical 5-6 episode yap fest, followed by a 30 second reveal of how they're actually ZOMBIE UNICORNS and they actually just wanted to feast on them. especially carl! young'uns taste the best! If you honestly just want to be an asshole about it, go ahead. I forgot that Carl does not have arms and legs. How could he possibly use them to climb around in a barn even if he did? Like maybe they could have shown him going through the same way Glenn found the zombies in the barn during (not too sure) episode 5 of season 2. I guess that WOULD be a crucial part to show, right? Nowhere did I say that people who criticize the show automatically hate it. I said that it getting pretty annoying and thats it. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
And for the guy arguing about Zombies having senses or not, it's illogical to even argue this because we all know scientifically that Zombies cannot possibly exist the way they do because the Zombies in every Zombie universe universe can hear/see/etc. etc. and yet they are supposed to be "brain dead." You just have to suspend your belief and live in the ruleset that has been given to you for that brief time period that you are watching the show. That's what Fantasy is all about anyways. Just having the brainstem reactive is NOT enough for a Zombie to be able to smell, comprehend, etc. etc. | ||
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
On March 06 2012 11:49 Cloud9157 wrote: If you honestly just want to be an asshole about it, go ahead. I forgot that Carl does not have arms and legs. How could he possibly use them to climb around in a barn even if he did? Like maybe they could have shown him going through the same way Glenn found the zombies in the barn during (not too sure) episode 5 of season 2. I guess that WOULD be a crucial part to show, right? what's not crucial to the show are these random plot devices with carl wandering up to a zombie and have that zombie wander back to kill a dale that wasn't even supposed to be wandering out there at night. and tell me, was there anything crucial about the whole glenn/herschel interaction in the last episode? i think it felt kinda forced. believe it or not, this show isn't perfect, and fans have a valid right in pointing out flaws with the show. i'm sorry that there are people out there that have higher standards than just "ZOMBIE APPEARANCE YAY!" | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On March 06 2012 11:54 ballasdontcry wrote: what's not crucial to the show are these random plot devices with carl wandering up to a zombie and have that zombie wander back to kill a dale that wasn't even supposed to be wandering out there at night. and tell me, was there anything crucial about the whole glenn/herschel interaction in the last episode? i think it felt kinda forced. believe it or not, this show isn't perfect, and fans have a valid right in pointing out flaws with the show. i'm sorry that there are people out there that have higher standards than just "ZOMBIE APPEARANCE YAY!" So my understanding to the first part is that there needed to be a different zombie, right? First off, I didn't like that scene in regards to how stupid Carl was. Second, its clearly going to eat Carl alive now, since he will feel guilty that he was not "man" enough to kill the zombie, and instead ran away from it, which is obviously not what Shane/Rick would have done, thus making Carl realize that he cannot act the way he does anymore. The Glenn/Herschel thing was obviously not crucial. But I guess everything HAS to be related to the main story. No such thing as a side story. So instead of this, should they have filled it with the zombie wandering around the woods and finding the farm perhaps? If they did, I sure as hell hope Glenn wouldn't pull out the watch Herschel gave him(assuming he is coming back) next season and then say something touching about Maggie. Gosh, I doubt we would wonder what that was about. No, this show is not perfect, I will be the first to tell you that. But when people go around poking at things that have sometimes obvious and numerous explanations, I get irritated. | ||
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Jimmycliff
United States86 Posts
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