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On March 06 2012 16:28 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 16:21 Balgrog wrote:
I honestly did NOT see Dale dying, totally caught me off guard, and now Carl might hold him self responsible, and we will see how that affect his future character.
Also, they need to kill off some women, all women on AMC shows fucking suck. I don't know if all the writers for AMC have terrible wives or what not, but all the women in all of there shows are awful. Really on all AMC shows? Breaking Bad and Mad Men both have some very compelling female characters imo.
breaking bad ? really? first dude i hear that doesn't think the 2 wifes (forgot their name) were anything but annoying & dumb.
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On March 06 2012 21:57 GhostOwl wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So the people who ate Dale were almost starving to death? Can you go into more detail about it? Comic spoilers regarding Dale's fate.
From what I remember... + Show Spoiler + Actually, they are really well fed becaues they eat unsuspecting people (they decided to start doing this pretty early in the game). They find a group of people and wait around until one of them goes to piss by themselves, then knock them out, drag them back to their camp to eat them (making sure they stay alive as long as possible so the meat stays fresh). Dale was bitten, but he hid it from the group to spare Andrea pain. So they knock Dale out, and take him back to their camp. Dale wakes up to a bunch of guys having a nice little feast, and they chat him up, only to reveal they are eating him (and one of his legs is cut off), and they're keeping him alive so they can continue enjoying his meat. Dale starts laughing manically because he's been bitten by a zombie and believes his meat is tainted. They beat the crap out of him after vomitting, decide to return him to the group as a "warning." Dale gets to have a last word with Andrea, but then dies (Andrea shoots him after he turns). Then Rick and company hunt down the group of cannibals and brutally murder every last one of them, forcing all the others to watch as they brutalize them one by one. These aren't clean deaths, they're tortured.
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On March 06 2012 22:13 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 16:28 p4NDemik wrote:On March 06 2012 16:21 Balgrog wrote:
I honestly did NOT see Dale dying, totally caught me off guard, and now Carl might hold him self responsible, and we will see how that affect his future character.
Also, they need to kill off some women, all women on AMC shows fucking suck. I don't know if all the writers for AMC have terrible wives or what not, but all the women in all of there shows are awful. Really on all AMC shows? Breaking Bad and Mad Men both have some very compelling female characters imo. breaking bad ? really? first dude i hear that doesn't think the 2 wifes (forgot their name) were anything but annoying & dumb.
Mad Men is such a creepy show. It just weirds me out seeing the attitudes portraied in that show. I just couldnt keep watching it after 2 episodes.
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On March 06 2012 22:37 zer0das wrote:Comic spoilers regarding Dale's fate. From what I remember... + Show Spoiler + Actually, they are really well fed becaues they eat unsuspecting people (they decided to start doing this pretty early in the game). They find a group of people and wait around until one of them goes to piss by themselves, then knock them out, drag them back to their camp to eat them (making sure they stay alive as long as possible so the meat stays fresh). Dale was bitten, but he hid it from the group to spare Andrea pain. So they knock Dale out, and take him back to their camp. Dale wakes up to a bunch of guys having a nice little feast, and they chat him up, only to reveal they are eating him (and one of his legs is cut off), and they're keeping him alive so they can continue enjoying his meat. Dale starts laughing manically because he's been bitten by a zombie and believes his meat is tainted. They beat the crap out of him after vomitting, decide to return him to the group as a "warning." Dale gets to have a last word with Andrea, but then dies (Andrea shoots him after he turns). Then Rick and company hunt down the group of cannibals and brutally murder every last one of them, forcing all the others to watch as they brutalize them one by one. These aren't clean deaths, they're tortured.
Sounds pretty brutal. Can't imagine TV Rick doing such a thing.
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On March 06 2012 22:52 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 22:37 zer0das wrote:On March 06 2012 21:57 GhostOwl wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So the people who ate Dale were almost starving to death? Can you go into more detail about it? Comic spoilers regarding Dale's fate. From what I remember... + Show Spoiler + Actually, they are really well fed becaues they eat unsuspecting people (they decided to start doing this pretty early in the game). They find a group of people and wait around until one of them goes to piss by themselves, then knock them out, drag them back to their camp to eat them (making sure they stay alive as long as possible so the meat stays fresh). Dale was bitten, but he hid it from the group to spare Andrea pain. So they knock Dale out, and take him back to their camp. Dale wakes up to a bunch of guys having a nice little feast, and they chat him up, only to reveal they are eating him (and one of his legs is cut off), and they're keeping him alive so they can continue enjoying his meat. Dale starts laughing manically because he's been bitten by a zombie and believes his meat is tainted. They beat the crap out of him after vomitting, decide to return him to the group as a "warning." Dale gets to have a last word with Andrea, but then dies (Andrea shoots him after he turns). Then Rick and company hunt down the group of cannibals and brutally murder every last one of them, forcing all the others to watch as they brutalize them one by one. These aren't clean deaths, they're tortured. Sounds pretty brutal. Can't imagine TV Rick doing such a thing.
+ Show Spoiler +Comic Rick starts off a lot like Show Rick, but a lot of events happen between the start and where the cannibals show up (issue 64 I think? Slaughter happens at start of 66) which changes him. It's amazing the way you get to see him transform from small-town cop to the man he becomes. + Show Spoiler [extra spoilers] +
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Yeah...the comics get absolutely brutal. There's a lot of stuff that I do not think the show will keep.
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On March 07 2012 00:42 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
Yeah...the comics get absolutely brutal. There's a lot of stuff that I do not think the show will keep.
+ Show Spoiler [Not really comic spoilers, but kind of] +Well the death of Dale in the comics, to me at least, represents the low point of the group's humanity and is a turning point in how the group acts. This is the worst they get (from what I've read). The show seems like it's trying to say the same kind of message, that Dale represents humanity/civilization and his death is supposed to be the end of that. But the difference is in the show the group is doing pretty peachy compare to the point they were at in the comics. They've barely suffered if you put them on the same scale. So if this is the group's low point then the show is going to be pretty disappointing. If this is the mark of the start of the downfall though, well then it might get pretty interesting.
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On March 06 2012 22:45 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 22:13 Nizaris wrote:On March 06 2012 16:28 p4NDemik wrote:On March 06 2012 16:21 Balgrog wrote:
I honestly did NOT see Dale dying, totally caught me off guard, and now Carl might hold him self responsible, and we will see how that affect his future character.
Also, they need to kill off some women, all women on AMC shows fucking suck. I don't know if all the writers for AMC have terrible wives or what not, but all the women in all of there shows are awful. Really on all AMC shows? Breaking Bad and Mad Men both have some very compelling female characters imo. breaking bad ? really? first dude i hear that doesn't think the 2 wifes (forgot their name) were anything but annoying & dumb. Mad Men is such a creepy show. It just weirds me out seeing the attitudes portraied in that show. I just couldnt keep watching it after 2 episodes.
thats the way it was back then^^
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There may be something wrong with me but watching Dale get killed was absolutely 110% the best part of Season 2 so far.
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On March 07 2012 00:56 AimlessAmoeba wrote:
There may be something wrong with me but watching Dale get killed was absolutely 110% the best part of Season 2 so far.
Anders are you out already?
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On March 06 2012 17:50 Kinuzki wrote:You wish.
Oh come on, you think Rick isn't the kind of character who would make Carl realize something? He has a knack for doing those sorts of things.
Granted, I think Carl will not be able to process all of it and rationalize what has to happen now, but he will understand what Rick tells him. I can pretty much guarantee Rick is going to take care of Carl himself.
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On March 06 2012 22:13 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 16:28 p4NDemik wrote:On March 06 2012 16:21 Balgrog wrote:
I honestly did NOT see Dale dying, totally caught me off guard, and now Carl might hold him self responsible, and we will see how that affect his future character.
Also, they need to kill off some women, all women on AMC shows fucking suck. I don't know if all the writers for AMC have terrible wives or what not, but all the women in all of there shows are awful. Really on all AMC shows? Breaking Bad and Mad Men both have some very compelling female characters imo. breaking bad ? really? first dude i hear that doesn't think the 2 wifes (forgot their name) were anything but annoying & dumb.
Its been a while since I watched it but Skylar's character (even if she was a thorn in Walter's side once she knew) made sense, and was portrayed in a believable fashion. I don't remember her sister's name, from what I recall that family was there for the expressed purpose of annoying and making Walter's life more difficult so I can understand people not liking her.
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On March 06 2012 11:35 Sprungjeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 10:42 Kazeyonoma wrote:On March 06 2012 10:29 Sprungjeezy wrote:On March 06 2012 10:16 zimms wrote:On March 06 2012 10:07 Cloud9157 wrote:
I lol @ all the people poking holes in the logic of this show.
You are watching a show about ZOMBIES, something that doesn't even exist. Holy shit, seriously, you're all getting really annoying.
"durr, the zombie let go of Carl but killed Dale lolololol"
If you want something real and completely logical, then go find that show.
[...] People like you just don't get it. Yes, we know zombies aren't real, but in the show there is some kind of explenation why they exist. And of course there needs to be some kind of logic. Otherwise the whole show would be pointless. Would you enjoy it if in the next episode some aliens appear with their UFOs and just bomb the shit out of everything? And after that a bunch of 500 feet high giraffes show up and defeat the aliens.-.- I know I would. But honestly, they haven't even begun to grasp how illogical this show is. How did that specific zombie find the farm? The most likely "reason" is that he has a sense of smell. But logic flaw here, zombies aren't living and don't use anything unnecessary (I'll allow them to continue using their muscles even though that is debatable in a rotting corpse) such as their lungs and heart (pretty blatant they wouldn't have a pulse or blood pressure). If they don't use their lungs how are they inhaling (smelling) the scent that this particular zombie followed? Again if the lungs aren't being used how are they making any sound at all? Now let's say they are able to use their lungs, what the fuck, they inhale oxygen/air but it has no where to go as there is no blood being pumped through the lungs (as there is no blood, nor blood flow). Now I agree, arguing the above points would be silly and would quickly lead to the debunking of zombie possible existence (atleast the way they are portrayed in the show), but simply pointing out how poorly the show was written because a zombie who could not capture a panicking child was able subdue a grown adult with plenty of adrenaline. I mean was it too hard to suggest that Dale may have shot himself or otherwise hurt himself during the fight? No, Dale vs Zombie, Zombie attempts to eat Dales face, Dale defends his face with all of his power whilst the zombie opens Dale up with his hands. I mean this zombie is probably less than a hundred pounds and has been poorly nourished in the previous months and has little muscle on him, yet Dale was unable to defend himself even with all the adrenaline while fully conscious nothing physically wrong with him. Is it too much to suggest that a full grown male with loads of adrenaline ought to be able to fight off a, I don't know, 75 lb zombie with already crippled mobility? You're taking a ton of assumptions here about the zombies. They've already shown that zombies both can smell/taste blood and prefer it over other things in their rage. They obviously also can HEAR gun shots, so they have SOME senses, which COULD also include a sense of smell, especially if they detect a cow wandering around by itself. It never showed Carl running away from the zombie so fast that he couldn't have followed close enough behind that he can at least notice the cow. Also they are attracted to light (as shown in season 1 when the black guy and his son turn off the lights at night to keep the zombies away. ALL OF THESE could've attracted the zombie to the farm. claiming they don't use any senses is bullshit when it's ALREADY been shown they have some senses. Just because they may not 'breathe' doesn't mean they may not have the senses to still smell things. barring all that, assuming zombies in this world aren't what YOU think they are, regarding Dale not being able tp push off the zombie is plausible. You make assumptions about the weight of said zombie, and you also neglect the fact that he just feasted on the cow, so he probably was able to regain strength that he didn't have when trying to grab carl, also carl had the advantage of the zombie being stuck, while zombie had the advantage against dale because he caught him by surprise and knocked him down. There has never been any indication of Dale being overly able bodied, he's old as shit from what we can tell and he's never done anything physical in the show to display strength otherwise. There's also panic which can set in and scare you, there's also the fact that Dale is contemplating not wanting to live in this world anymore anyways and wasn't fighting with all his strength. I think they've likewise stated that the walkers/zombies/etc all are in states of extreme hunger and could possibly have high doses of adrenaline in them as well? cmon the thing just ate a fucking cow and took it down, that's not enough to explain to people that he could take down an overweight old man? Keep picking at straws though about this and that, while you tear apart a good show because it doesn't conform to YOUR definition of a zombie. I'm not sure how to respond to this. It honestly seems like you're trolling me, but to the point where I'm not sure if you are or not. "Zombies have senses, not because its physically possible, but because they have them." Humans have senses, but if one were to lose the nerves in part of his body, he would no longer be able to feel that part of the body. If they break their spine (the wiring required to feel because it is the only thing that attaches it's extremities to the brain) they would no long have the sense of feeling. This is why zombies don't feel pain or react to pain, they have none of the requisites to the sense of feeling. One could further argue the sense of smell is not possible again because it requires a connection to the brain, but I will pass over this argument as there is no distinction to what is wrong with their brain because if it were not for the brain being the only actual vital organ, then the zombie would not die when its brain is destroyed by knife or gun. But you see, this was only a silly and lighthearted statement of mine to show how much could really be argued about the logicalness of the show. It was to show that in comparison, saying Dale ought to be able to fight off a zombie is an extraordinarily small thing to ask for, but you seemingly missed that part of my post, or were too furious at me bashing the show you live for. But if you honestly want to argue the possibility of zombies not actually physically meeting the requisites of having the 5 senses we humans have, I don't think I can have a serious discussion with you about it.
What explanation would make you happy then? Because whatever that explanation is, I can bet you that it would take me or anyone else in this thread 1 minute to poke it full of holes because as there's no such thing as a "living dead", this is a supernatural show. As this point "Zombies have senses, not because its physically possible, but because they have them." is a sufficient explanation regardless of how bad the script is otherwise, because this is all the information the main characters have.
And generally, all these comments about "he should have been able to do this, and she shouldn't be stupid enough to do this" are unneeded. It's an extreme atmosphere, however calm any given situation may seem. If it's possible to fuck up people may very well do it. I've learned this after raiding WoW a few years.
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5 minutes in this episode.... Can they PLEASE kill the old guy! He is sooo annoying wish he would die!
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I get a feeling that they will regret not executing Randall. Randall (when he escapes) will bring the 30-man group to take everything and all the women off the farm and to kill anyone who stands in their way.
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On March 07 2012 05:42 Mithriel wrote:
5 minutes in this episode.... Can they PLEASE kill the old guy! He is sooo annoying wish he would die!
Omg just finished watching it... So happy dayle got shot in the face. Holy fuck I hated his character. Worst shit ever. Also kid should die. Stupid kids... 
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On March 07 2012 05:37 FreeZer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 11:35 Sprungjeezy wrote:On March 06 2012 10:42 Kazeyonoma wrote:On March 06 2012 10:29 Sprungjeezy wrote:On March 06 2012 10:16 zimms wrote:On March 06 2012 10:07 Cloud9157 wrote:
I lol @ all the people poking holes in the logic of this show.
You are watching a show about ZOMBIES, something that doesn't even exist. Holy shit, seriously, you're all getting really annoying.
"durr, the zombie let go of Carl but killed Dale lolololol"
If you want something real and completely logical, then go find that show.
[...] People like you just don't get it. Yes, we know zombies aren't real, but in the show there is some kind of explenation why they exist. And of course there needs to be some kind of logic. Otherwise the whole show would be pointless. Would you enjoy it if in the next episode some aliens appear with their UFOs and just bomb the shit out of everything? And after that a bunch of 500 feet high giraffes show up and defeat the aliens.-.- I know I would. But honestly, they haven't even begun to grasp how illogical this show is. How did that specific zombie find the farm? The most likely "reason" is that he has a sense of smell. But logic flaw here, zombies aren't living and don't use anything unnecessary (I'll allow them to continue using their muscles even though that is debatable in a rotting corpse) such as their lungs and heart (pretty blatant they wouldn't have a pulse or blood pressure). If they don't use their lungs how are they inhaling (smelling) the scent that this particular zombie followed? Again if the lungs aren't being used how are they making any sound at all? Now let's say they are able to use their lungs, what the fuck, they inhale oxygen/air but it has no where to go as there is no blood being pumped through the lungs (as there is no blood, nor blood flow). Now I agree, arguing the above points would be silly and would quickly lead to the debunking of zombie possible existence (atleast the way they are portrayed in the show), but simply pointing out how poorly the show was written because a zombie who could not capture a panicking child was able subdue a grown adult with plenty of adrenaline. I mean was it too hard to suggest that Dale may have shot himself or otherwise hurt himself during the fight? No, Dale vs Zombie, Zombie attempts to eat Dales face, Dale defends his face with all of his power whilst the zombie opens Dale up with his hands. I mean this zombie is probably less than a hundred pounds and has been poorly nourished in the previous months and has little muscle on him, yet Dale was unable to defend himself even with all the adrenaline while fully conscious nothing physically wrong with him. Is it too much to suggest that a full grown male with loads of adrenaline ought to be able to fight off a, I don't know, 75 lb zombie with already crippled mobility? You're taking a ton of assumptions here about the zombies. They've already shown that zombies both can smell/taste blood and prefer it over other things in their rage. They obviously also can HEAR gun shots, so they have SOME senses, which COULD also include a sense of smell, especially if they detect a cow wandering around by itself. It never showed Carl running away from the zombie so fast that he couldn't have followed close enough behind that he can at least notice the cow. Also they are attracted to light (as shown in season 1 when the black guy and his son turn off the lights at night to keep the zombies away. ALL OF THESE could've attracted the zombie to the farm. claiming they don't use any senses is bullshit when it's ALREADY been shown they have some senses. Just because they may not 'breathe' doesn't mean they may not have the senses to still smell things. barring all that, assuming zombies in this world aren't what YOU think they are, regarding Dale not being able tp push off the zombie is plausible. You make assumptions about the weight of said zombie, and you also neglect the fact that he just feasted on the cow, so he probably was able to regain strength that he didn't have when trying to grab carl, also carl had the advantage of the zombie being stuck, while zombie had the advantage against dale because he caught him by surprise and knocked him down. There has never been any indication of Dale being overly able bodied, he's old as shit from what we can tell and he's never done anything physical in the show to display strength otherwise. There's also panic which can set in and scare you, there's also the fact that Dale is contemplating not wanting to live in this world anymore anyways and wasn't fighting with all his strength. I think they've likewise stated that the walkers/zombies/etc all are in states of extreme hunger and could possibly have high doses of adrenaline in them as well? cmon the thing just ate a fucking cow and took it down, that's not enough to explain to people that he could take down an overweight old man? Keep picking at straws though about this and that, while you tear apart a good show because it doesn't conform to YOUR definition of a zombie. I'm not sure how to respond to this. It honestly seems like you're trolling me, but to the point where I'm not sure if you are or not. "Zombies have senses, not because its physically possible, but because they have them." Humans have senses, but if one were to lose the nerves in part of his body, he would no longer be able to feel that part of the body. If they break their spine (the wiring required to feel because it is the only thing that attaches it's extremities to the brain) they would no long have the sense of feeling. This is why zombies don't feel pain or react to pain, they have none of the requisites to the sense of feeling. One could further argue the sense of smell is not possible again because it requires a connection to the brain, but I will pass over this argument as there is no distinction to what is wrong with their brain because if it were not for the brain being the only actual vital organ, then the zombie would not die when its brain is destroyed by knife or gun. But you see, this was only a silly and lighthearted statement of mine to show how much could really be argued about the logicalness of the show. It was to show that in comparison, saying Dale ought to be able to fight off a zombie is an extraordinarily small thing to ask for, but you seemingly missed that part of my post, or were too furious at me bashing the show you live for. But if you honestly want to argue the possibility of zombies not actually physically meeting the requisites of having the 5 senses we humans have, I don't think I can have a serious discussion with you about it. What explanation would make you happy then? Because whatever that explanation is, I can bet you that it would take me or anyone else in this thread 1 minute to poke it full of holes because as there's no such thing as a "living dead", this is a supernatural show. As this point "Zombies have senses, not because its physically possible, but because they have them." is a sufficient explanation regardless of how bad the script is otherwise, because this is all the information the main characters have. And generally, all these comments about "he should have been able to do this, and she shouldn't be stupid enough to do this" are . It's an extreme atmosphere, however calm any given situation may seem. If it's possible to fuck up people may very well do it. I've learned this after raiding WoW a few years.
To be fair they do take it too far sometimes. I still enjoy it and can suspend my disbelief, but it requires that way more than the comics in which all the characters act irrationally, but in a more believable way. The thing about the show is it seems like they want to keep the idea of 1 zombie being scary/deadly, while the comic is content to let go of that and make it obvious that these things aren't hard to take out.
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DALE guys
DALE
"Dayle" is some weird combination of Sayle (the Brood War commentator) and Dale, two distinctly different entities.
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I really hoped that Dale was going to be much more badass like he is in the comics. They kept the basic personality traits (keeping humanity and peace), but in the TV series he is such a pussy. I'm glad they removed him, but who's going to fill that void? I was also upset that Dale wasn't banging some hot 20 year old chick
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On March 06 2012 16:21 Balgrog wrote:
I honestly did NOT see Dale dying, totally caught me off guard, and now Carl might hold him self responsible, and we will see how that affect his future character.
Also, they need to kill off some women, all women on AMC shows fucking suck. I don't know if all the writers for AMC have terrible wives or what not, but all the women in all of there shows are awful.
I've been calling Dales death for 3 weeks now. I knew he would die by end of the season. I don't know why you couldn't see it.
I had heard from my friend whose read the graphic novel that the actor wanted off the show... Does anyone know anything more specific into why etc?
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