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Discussing the show and past episodes is fine. Do not put things that have happened in the TV series in spoilers. However, don't spoil things from the books that may happen in future episodes. Put book spoilers in spoiler tags with a CLEAR WARNING that it is from the book.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
March 06 2012 04:15 GMT
#3181
To be fair, Dale was distressed (given up on humanity) and tired after spending the whole day running around trying to garner support to stop the execution. He's probably lost in his own thoughts and depressed while the zombie is pumped up on cow meat and rage. Fighting back becomes pretty hard when you're old, cold, tired, shocked and in utter terror on your back with that thing in your face. The zombie's hands were most likely worn down close to the bone from the environment and clawing indiscriminately at everything so I dont find it to surprising it could pierce a stomach. Wrenching it open well, maybe it's the same way a parents can pull off superhuman strength when their child is in danger, zombies can probably pull it off when they have fresh meat at hand. Point being, the show's far more enjoyable if you try and find justifications for the plot holes rather than whining about them.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
freeshooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States477 Posts
March 06 2012 04:32 GMT
#3182
I feel bad for Dale. He was trying so hard to save someone elses life but couldn't even save his own, quite ironic. Carl is the true "idiot" though, at least Karol does... nothing?
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
March 06 2012 04:41 GMT
#3183
On March 06 2012 13:15 Scarecrow wrote:
To be fair, Dale was distressed (given up on humanity) and tired after spending the whole day running around trying to garner support to stop the execution. He's probably lost in his own thoughts and depressed while the zombie is pumped up on cow meat and rage. Fighting back becomes pretty hard when you're old, cold, tired, shocked and in utter terror on your back with that thing in your face. The zombie's hands were most likely worn down close to the bone from the environment and clawing indiscriminately at everything so I dont find it to surprising it could pierce a stomach. Wrenching it open well, maybe it's the same way a parents can pull off superhuman strength when their child is in danger, zombies can probably pull it off when they have fresh meat at hand. Point being, the show's far more enjoyable if you try and find justifications for the plot holes rather than whining about them.

Yeah, i can definitely sign your last sentence.
If you hate something, it deserves more respect to ignore it, instead of having the zombie-like rage to express your hatred and spoil the fun for everyone else.
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
March 06 2012 04:44 GMT
#3184
Really glad they are taking the show in a different direction then the Graphic novel. While the Graphic novel is one of the greatest things I have ever read I don't want it rehatched for TV and having Dale die in this last episode was very unexpected for me having been a huge follower of the graphic novel. (how he died in the Books)
+ Show Spoiler +
Dale gets bitten a by a zombie and hides it from the group, while they are traveling away and he is caught by cannibals and eaten alive. While Screaming tainted meat as they ate him.
I am Godzilla You are Japan
Banno
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia44 Posts
March 06 2012 06:03 GMT
#3185
Start of episode I had no idea Dale was gonna die. Once they showed the cow at the end I was like nooooo. Still had hopes was gonna hold off zombie until Daryl*? came and saved him. What a way to go lol.

One of the few characters I liked. RIP

Hope they leave the farm soon >.<
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
March 06 2012 06:09 GMT
#3186
Really liked the newest episode, it got rid of one of my least liked characters as well :p
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Proof.
Profile Joined August 2011
535 Posts
March 06 2012 06:35 GMT
#3187
On March 06 2012 13:41 TigerKarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 13:15 Scarecrow wrote:
To be fair, Dale was distressed (given up on humanity) and tired after spending the whole day running around trying to garner support to stop the execution. He's probably lost in his own thoughts and depressed while the zombie is pumped up on cow meat and rage. Fighting back becomes pretty hard when you're old, cold, tired, shocked and in utter terror on your back with that thing in your face. The zombie's hands were most likely worn down close to the bone from the environment and clawing indiscriminately at everything so I dont find it to surprising it could pierce a stomach. Wrenching it open well, maybe it's the same way a parents can pull off superhuman strength when their child is in danger, zombies can probably pull it off when they have fresh meat at hand. Point being, the show's far more enjoyable if you try and find justifications for the plot holes rather than whining about them.

Yeah, i can definitely sign your last sentence.
If you hate something, it deserves more respect to ignore it, instead of having the zombie-like rage to express your hatred and spoil the fun for everyone else.

True, but it's also annoying to have one of your likeable (not favorite...just likeable) characters just die so easily.

But I've stated this before and I'll state it again..Dale's death isn't the issue, it's Carl. The kid got shot and is lucky enough to recover and you'd think he'd be a little more careful, a little more appreciative of this life of his. No no..he's slowly turning into a BAMF, stealing a gun, walking into the forest alone, confronting a zombie (and getting owned, to my enjoyment), and sneaking into the barn multiple times. All in one episode. This isn't a kid being a kid. This is a kid going full retard. Oh yea and he talked back to Carol. You can go on solo zombie hunts and get Dale killed, but talking back to Carol? o hell naw that's crossing the line.
He who has a why to live can bear almost any how
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
March 06 2012 07:21 GMT
#3188
I honestly did NOT see Dale dying, totally caught me off guard, and now Carl might hold him self responsible, and we will see how that affect his future character.

Also, they need to kill off some women, all women on AMC shows fucking suck. I don't know if all the writers for AMC have terrible wives or what not, but all the women in all of there shows are awful.
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
March 06 2012 07:28 GMT
#3189
On March 06 2012 16:21 Balgrog wrote:
I honestly did NOT see Dale dying, totally caught me off guard, and now Carl might hold him self responsible, and we will see how that affect his future character.

Also, they need to kill off some women, all women on AMC shows fucking suck. I don't know if all the writers for AMC have terrible wives or what not, but all the women in all of there shows are awful.

Really on all AMC shows? Breaking Bad and Mad Men both have some very compelling female characters imo.
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Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
March 06 2012 07:30 GMT
#3190
On March 06 2012 16:21 Balgrog wrote:
I honestly did NOT see Dale dying, totally caught me off guard, and now Carl might hold him self responsible, and we will see how that affect his future character.

Also, they need to kill off some women, all women on AMC shows fucking suck. I don't know if all the writers for AMC have terrible wives or what not, but all the women in all of there shows are awful.

pretty much always when they're gonna kill off an important char they focus more attention to them beforehand
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
March 06 2012 08:24 GMT
#3191
I knew in advance Dale was going to go somehow because the actor wanted out.. but god damn his death was kinda gruesome.

My jaw hit the floor when it grasped his gut and started ripping it open. Shame that zombification isn't fast, zombie Dale would have been funny.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
javy_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1677 Posts
March 06 2012 08:37 GMT
#3192
On March 06 2012 17:24 Nekovivie wrote:
I knew in advance Dale was going to go somehow because the actor wanted out.. but god damn his death was kinda gruesome.

My jaw hit the floor when it grasped his gut and started ripping it open. Shame that zombification isn't fast, zombie Dale would have been funny.


yea, I really wish the actor didn't want off the show , there were some really interesting bits in the comic with him
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
March 06 2012 08:46 GMT
#3193
On March 06 2012 16:28 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 16:21 Balgrog wrote:
I honestly did NOT see Dale dying, totally caught me off guard, and now Carl might hold him self responsible, and we will see how that affect his future character.

Also, they need to kill off some women, all women on AMC shows fucking suck. I don't know if all the writers for AMC have terrible wives or what not, but all the women in all of there shows are awful.

Really on all AMC shows? Breaking Bad and Mad Men both have some very compelling female characters imo.


Breaking bad and compelling female characters? :o

Only in the same was as the walking dead..

DIE WOMAN, DIE ALREADY!
Useless wet fish.
Kinuzki
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland16 Posts
March 06 2012 08:50 GMT
#3194
On March 06 2012 11:59 Cloud9157 wrote:
making Carl realize

You wish.
:|
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 15:34:31
March 06 2012 11:02 GMT
#3195
On March 06 2012 15:35 Proof. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 13:41 TigerKarl wrote:
On March 06 2012 13:15 Scarecrow wrote:
To be fair, Dale was distressed (given up on humanity) and tired after spending the whole day running around trying to garner support to stop the execution. He's probably lost in his own thoughts and depressed while the zombie is pumped up on cow meat and rage. Fighting back becomes pretty hard when you're old, cold, tired, shocked and in utter terror on your back with that thing in your face. The zombie's hands were most likely worn down close to the bone from the environment and clawing indiscriminately at everything so I dont find it to surprising it could pierce a stomach. Wrenching it open well, maybe it's the same way a parents can pull off superhuman strength when their child is in danger, zombies can probably pull it off when they have fresh meat at hand. Point being, the show's far more enjoyable if you try and find justifications for the plot holes rather than whining about them.

Yeah, i can definitely sign your last sentence.
If you hate something, it deserves more respect to ignore it, instead of having the zombie-like rage to express your hatred and spoil the fun for everyone else.

it's Carl. The kid got shot and is lucky enough to recover and you'd think he'd be a little more careful, a little more appreciative of this life of his. No no..he's slowly turning into a BAMF, stealing a gun, walking into the forest alone, confronting a zombie (and getting owned, to my enjoyment), and sneaking into the barn multiple times. All in one episode. This isn't a kid being a kid.

I find him irritating but it's not that implausible. He has no friends close to his age, why wouldn't he want to be part of the adult circle? He idolises Shane and his dad and wants to be the one roaming out in the wilderness in that stupid hat with gun in hand. Essentially he's bored and sick of being treated like a kid so he's acting out (though not acting well). Now he's got dale* killed I assume he'll get all mopey and realise that actions do have consequences, that he is still a kid etc.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
March 06 2012 11:23 GMT
#3196
On March 06 2012 20:02 Scarecrow wrote:
Now he's got daryl killed I assume he'll get all mopey and realise that actions do have consequences, that he is still a kid etc.


You mean dale, don't you dare suggest daryl is ever killed! :p
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
March 06 2012 12:01 GMT
#3197
Man, people should relax a bit on all these criticisms, particularly about the logic. That's really not what the show is about, and with most of the "illogical" scenes, you can make a case that they do make sense. The zombie being stuck and carl kicking made the zombie lose his grip. And so what if he doesn't eat the whole cow? Zombies have appetites too. Remember, if zombies always ate, there would be no zombies because if they found a human, they eat the whole person, but no, they take a few bites, and that person turns into a zombie. The only scene that really doesn't make sense for me is when rick was beneath that tank in season one and he puts a gun to his head and says "sorry Lorie" but then gets in the tank. But i don't really mind because its not a big deal.

I do agree though that tdog definitely needs more lines, and the women suck, except maybe maggie. Especially andrea. After she shot daryl when everyone told her not to, i was "you *****!" She acts like a teenager despite being at least late 20's or 30's. Acting like she needs to prove stuff. Carol is just a walkover. After she got dissed by Carl, I was like, so she got married to an abusive wifebeater, she repeatedly gets cussed out by daryl, and not even preteen carl. Actually really surprised me when she said something back. I guess everyone has their breaking points. Laurie must be the worst mother ever. Honestly, its the zombie apocalypse and there could be zombies everywhere. She doesn't have anything to do, and yet continues to let carl do whatever he wants. yeah, carl was retarded this episode, but i kind of understand it and i think the writers were trying to show the effects that living in that type of environment can have on young kids. I think the writers were trying to show that carl is becoming sadistic now, especially after he threw rocks at the zombie, and told his dad to kill another person.

I liked Dale before this episode, but he really pissed me off in this one, and im glad he died. I think its pretty obvious u have to kill the guy. He knows where they live, and could bring his 30 buddies to gangbang everyone. rick pussied out this episode. still sad dale had to die. shoulda been andrea.

Think daryl should be the leader. Its quite obvious now. rick's too much of a pussy, and shane's crazy, but daryl found that middle spot and doesnt have family stuff going on to drag him down.

so basically, less stupid women, and more glenn, tdog, and daryl. rick and shane don't need more screen time for the next episode or two, they've had plenty.
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 12:58:46
March 06 2012 12:57 GMT
#3198
Carl just pisses me off to no end. He caused the death of one of the chars, he went into the barn after being told not to go in, and he badmouthed to Carol. He even turned pretty sadistic and told his dad to shoot him.

I think they need to give him a really good beating....I just wish it was him instead of Sophia that died off =/


On March 06 2012 13:44 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Really glad they are taking the show in a different direction then the Graphic novel. While the Graphic novel is one of the greatest things I have ever read I don't want it rehatched for TV and having Dale die in this last episode was very unexpected for me having been a huge follower of the graphic novel. (how he died in the Books)
+ Show Spoiler +
Dale gets bitten a by a zombie and hides it from the group, while they are traveling away and he is caught by cannibals and eaten alive. While Screaming tainted meat as they ate him.


+ Show Spoiler +
So the people who ate Dale were almost starving to death? Can you go into more detail about it?


That sounds really badass but I think they changed it because they assumed it was too much for a TV show..
IronMan3
Profile Joined March 2012
31 Posts
March 06 2012 12:58 GMT
#3199
pretty boring episode. And why did they kill Dale and not Lori?
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 06 2012 13:06 GMT
#3200
On March 06 2012 17:37 javy925 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 17:24 Nekovivie wrote:
I knew in advance Dale was going to go somehow because the actor wanted out.. but god damn his death was kinda gruesome.

My jaw hit the floor when it grasped his gut and started ripping it open. Shame that zombification isn't fast, zombie Dale would have been funny.


yea, I really wish the actor didn't want off the show , there were some really interesting bits in the comic with him


Well, I don't remember exactly but I read an interview where the guy that played Dale said that since Darabont wasn't part of the show, he wanted out. Could be completely wrong though.
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