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On February 27 2012 18:56 rhmiller907 wrote:
#1 towards the beginning of the episode Rick talks about having to get supplies ahead of winter. Did I miss something, last time checked they were in Georgia, you can hardly call what Georgia experiences winter. Unless they are in northern Georgia, then I retract my statement
#2 is anyone else getting tired of seeing them drive around in a tiny Hyundai. I have nothing against Hyundais and I understand that Hyundai pays for the car to be featured. But that car couldn't push its way through a mob and I have my doubts that it would be driveable after hitting a walker at anything above 25mph. It's just a little much to believe, maybe they could consider a different Hyundai.
#3 fist fight AND a shouting match in unscouted unsecured territory with a potential hostile who could soon be freeing himself and have a knife. It's loud and stupid yet another WTF... REALLY!!! moment.
#4 FUCKING loved it when he shot the zombie through the other zombies face. So brutal and gory. Moments like this make all the drama worth it.
#5 Best episode of the season?, maybe.
#1) They are north of Atlanta somewhere I believe. They aren't down closer to the gulf and temperatures can dip lower than you'd think during the winter.
#2) I was actually fine with the hybrid. There is a limited supply of fuel out there, its not like people are refining more gas and bringing it in, so if you want to stretch your supply as far as possible you'd want to drive a dinky little hybrid unless you know for sure you're going into battle or on a zombie-crushing rampage.
#3) Yeah it all felt stupid, and there was no tension to it, which is why I didn't like the flash forward at the beginning. Instead of sitting there appreciating (or trying to appreciate the scene) I just kept asking myself why are they doing all these stupid things that are going to lead to being disarmed and in a zombie-brawl.
#4) Pretty cool.
#5) I dk, but the last three have all been better than anything in the first half imo.
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On February 28 2012 00:26 chroniX wrote:
Man all those knife scenes are soooo dumb. Why would you cut yourself in this scenario? Open wounds are the first thing i would want to avoid when getting close to walkers.
Walkers or not that's asking to have an infected wound(not zombie infected but actual...you know, real life infected). And in a world where medical treatment and supplies is sketchy...
Brilliant!
They should have just spit on the fence/bus, it woulda worked too.
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Am I the only one who is wondering why Shane didn't run out at the back of the bus from the start? The walkers that were after him stood in the front trying to get in while he was fighting for his life to keep them out. Why not just let go of the door and run out from the back of the bus and then try to dodge getting swarmed? :s
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On February 28 2012 02:14 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 18:56 rhmiller907 wrote:
#1 towards the beginning of the episode Rick talks about having to get supplies ahead of winter. Did I miss something, last time checked they were in Georgia, you can hardly call what Georgia experiences winter. Unless they are in northern Georgia, then I retract my statement
#2 is anyone else getting tired of seeing them drive around in a tiny Hyundai. I have nothing against Hyundais and I understand that Hyundai pays for the car to be featured. But that car couldn't push its way through a mob and I have my doubts that it would be driveable after hitting a walker at anything above 25mph. It's just a little much to believe, maybe they could consider a different Hyundai.
#3 fist fight AND a shouting match in unscouted unsecured territory with a potential hostile who could soon be freeing himself and have a knife. It's loud and stupid yet another WTF... REALLY!!! moment.
#4 FUCKING loved it when he shot the zombie through the other zombies face. So brutal and gory. Moments like this make all the drama worth it.
#5 Best episode of the season?, maybe. #1) They are north of Atlanta somewhere I believe. They aren't down closer to the gulf and temperatures can dip lower than you'd think during the winter. #2) I was actually fine with the hybrid. There is a limited supply of fuel out there, its not like people are refining more gas and bringing it in, so if you want to stretch your supply as far as possible you'd want to drive a dinky little hybrid unless you know for sure you're going into battle or on a zombie-crushing rampage. #3) Yeah it all felt stupid, and there was no tension to it, which is why I didn't like the flash forward at the beginning. Instead of sitting there appreciating (or trying to appreciate the scene) I just kept asking myself why are they doing all these stupid things that are going to lead to being disarmed and in a zombie-brawl. #4) Pretty cool. #5) I dk, but the last three have all been better than anything in the first half imo.
#3) I honestly like it when they do stupid things like that. If zombies just took over your world, you'd do some stupid stuff too. Makes it feel more real than if it was a bunch of level headed people in a group who know exactly what to do.
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On February 28 2012 02:45 Gosi wrote:
Am I the only one who is wondering why Shane didn't run out at the back of the bus from the start? The walkers that were after him stood in the front trying to get in while he was fighting for his life to keep them out. Why not just let go of the door and run out from the back of the bus and then try to dodge getting swarmed? :s
Haven't seen the episode yet, but not all busses have back doors right?
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On February 28 2012 03:02 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 02:45 Gosi wrote:
Am I the only one who is wondering why Shane didn't run out at the back of the bus from the start? The walkers that were after him stood in the front trying to get in while he was fighting for his life to keep them out. Why not just let go of the door and run out from the back of the bus and then try to dodge getting swarmed? :s Haven't seen the episode yet, but not all busses have back doors right?
Better watch the episode first.
+ Show Spoiler +He used the back door of the bus when Rick showed up and no zombie tried catching him. They got out of there unharmed.
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On February 28 2012 02:45 Gosi wrote:
Am I the only one who is wondering why Shane didn't run out at the back of the bus from the start? The walkers that were after him stood in the front trying to get in while he was fighting for his life to keep them out. Why not just let go of the door and run out from the back of the bus and then try to dodge getting swarmed? :s
I think with cinema events like this it's easy to look at it from a relatively comfortable setting and say "well gee sir you should just do X instead of struggle with Y". The characters in these hairy situations are usually super stressed out, running off adrenaline and probably not thinking as clearly as an outsider looking in from the comfort of their living room chair. Unless they are Rambo or somebody crazy like that.
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On February 28 2012 02:45 LolnoobInsanity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 02:14 p4NDemik wrote:On February 27 2012 18:56 rhmiller907 wrote:
#1 towards the beginning of the episode Rick talks about having to get supplies ahead of winter. Did I miss something, last time checked they were in Georgia, you can hardly call what Georgia experiences winter. Unless they are in northern Georgia, then I retract my statement
#2 is anyone else getting tired of seeing them drive around in a tiny Hyundai. I have nothing against Hyundais and I understand that Hyundai pays for the car to be featured. But that car couldn't push its way through a mob and I have my doubts that it would be driveable after hitting a walker at anything above 25mph. It's just a little much to believe, maybe they could consider a different Hyundai.
#3 fist fight AND a shouting match in unscouted unsecured territory with a potential hostile who could soon be freeing himself and have a knife. It's loud and stupid yet another WTF... REALLY!!! moment.
#4 FUCKING loved it when he shot the zombie through the other zombies face. So brutal and gory. Moments like this make all the drama worth it.
#5 Best episode of the season?, maybe. #1) They are north of Atlanta somewhere I believe. They aren't down closer to the gulf and temperatures can dip lower than you'd think during the winter. #2) I was actually fine with the hybrid. There is a limited supply of fuel out there, its not like people are refining more gas and bringing it in, so if you want to stretch your supply as far as possible you'd want to drive a dinky little hybrid unless you know for sure you're going into battle or on a zombie-crushing rampage. #3) Yeah it all felt stupid, and there was no tension to it, which is why I didn't like the flash forward at the beginning. Instead of sitting there appreciating (or trying to appreciate the scene) I just kept asking myself why are they doing all these stupid things that are going to lead to being disarmed and in a zombie-brawl. #4) Pretty cool. #5) I dk, but the last three have all been better than anything in the first half imo. #3) I honestly like it when they do stupid things like that. If zombies just took over your world, you'd do some stupid stuff too. Makes it feel more real than if it was a bunch of level headed people in a group who know exactly what to do.
My problem isn't with them getting heated and having a fight. If they did the episode normally and didn't have the flash forward I probably would have no reservations about it. My complaint is mainly that we knew their momentary lapse of reason was going to have some messy zombie-related end and because of that all I could think about was that the behavior was stupid in the greater scope of things despite it making perfect sense that the tension would boil over between the two of them.
Whenever the characters explore some new area you should always have that creepy feeling of "will there be a zombie around the next corner or not?" If you show the zombie scene in the first few minutes just to keep people interested then it kills the tension for the rest of the episode. In a way I was almost more interested in the suicide sub-plot for the first 30 minutes than the Rick/Shane story because I didn't know if the girl would die or not where as I knew exactly how Rick and Shane would get to where the flash-forward left them.
It was a cheap tactic to keep the first half of the episode "exciting" and "action-packed" at the expense of a lot of other things. I think the episode probably could have been very very good if it hadn't been edited in such a way. The scenes of Rick and Shane driving out and then then driving back in were exemplary. They were so similar but everything had changed between the two friends.
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My thoughts on this season:
After all the action in the first season, which I really enjoyed, I can understand the need at the onset of the next season to slow down and work on character development. That being said, the execution of said development has been poor. Dialogue feels very forced in many circumstances, the situation with Sophia took way too long to play out, and the number of characters they have to try to develop is just too much. Ideally there would be more undeveloped characters dying off with the occasional important character dying. As is, there's just too much to try to accomplish in any given episode imo.
The drama in last nights episode was an important insight into post-apocalyptic psychology, but was poorly executed. There's nothing I would enjoy more than seeing Lori and Andrea dying off. Lori is a drama queen that takes completely stupid and hypocritical actions, and Andrea is just plain obnoxious, always having an extremely bitchy and confrontational attitude when she doesn't know what she's doing any more than anyone else.
All that being said, the second half has been a vast improvement over the first. I think the writers finally pulled their heads out of their asses, somewhat.
As for the comments about Randall walking around easily, there's no way of telling from last nights episode how much time has passed since he was helped/rescued, and Rick's unwillingness to just kill him shows some further confrontation between his and Shane's views on the new world they find themselves in. Again, execution could have been better, but that's the idea.
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On February 28 2012 03:45 Doz wrote:
My thoughts on this season:
After all the action in the first season, which I really enjoyed, I can understand the need at the onset of the next season to slow down and work on character development. That being said, the execution of said development has been poor. Dialogue feels very forced in many circumstances, the situation with Sophia took way too long to play out, and the number of characters they have to try to develop is just too much. Ideally there would be more undeveloped characters dying off with the occasional important character dying. As is, there's just too much to try to accomplish in any given episode imo.
The drama in last nights episode was an important insight into post-apocalyptic psychology, but was poorly executed. There's nothing I would enjoy more than seeing Lori and Andrea dying off. Lori is a drama queen that takes completely stupid and hypocritical actions, and Andrea is just plain obnoxious, always having an extremely bitchy and confrontational attitude when she doesn't know what she's doing any more than anyone else.
All that being said, the second half has been a vast improvement over the first. I think the writers finally pulled their heads out of their asses, somewhat.
As for the comments about Randall walking around easily, there's no way of telling from last nights episode how much time has passed since he was helped/rescued, and Rick's unwillingness to just kill him shows some further confrontation between his and Shane's views on the new world they find themselves in. Again, execution could have been better, but that's the idea.
Rick clearly says it has been a week...
...unless I misheard
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On February 28 2012 03:49 Meser87 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 03:45 Doz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My thoughts on this season:
After all the action in the first season, which I really enjoyed, I can understand the need at the onset of the next season to slow down and work on character development. That being said, the execution of said development has been poor. Dialogue feels very forced in many circumstances, the situation with Sophia took way too long to play out, and the number of characters they have to try to develop is just too much. Ideally there would be more undeveloped characters dying off with the occasional important character dying. As is, there's just too much to try to accomplish in any given episode imo.
The drama in last nights episode was an important insight into post-apocalyptic psychology, but was poorly executed. There's nothing I would enjoy more than seeing Lori and Andrea dying off. Lori is a drama queen that takes completely stupid and hypocritical actions, and Andrea is just plain obnoxious, always having an extremely bitchy and confrontational attitude when she doesn't know what she's doing any more than anyone else.
All that being said, the second half has been a vast improvement over the first. I think the writers finally pulled their heads out of their asses, somewhat.
As for the comments about Randall walking around easily, there's no way of telling from last nights episode how much time has passed since he was helped/rescued, and Rick's unwillingness to just kill him shows some further confrontation between his and Shane's views on the new world they find themselves in. Again, execution could have been better, but that's the idea. Rick clearly says it has been a week... ...unless I misheard
Oh, must not have heard that. I was nom noming through the first half of the episode
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Rick won't kill Randall unless the group is over whelmingly in favor of it. Honestly I think it comes down to hershel. Maggie won't want to see a high school friend dead, glenn won't want compeition for maggies attention..so he's okay with wacking him. Dale is a life saving tree hugger, shane wants him dead, andrea will, lori will do w/e rick says, sophie's mom (can't remember her name) Won't care. Darryl will want him dead. Tdog will want him dead.
Rick will try to justify saving him, but will ultimately be outvoted, and forced to kill him.
just my opinion. Otherwise the shane/andrea faction will start to gain too much influence as much as they are hated currently.
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There were 3 things that reallllly annoyed me about this episode:
1. Aforementioned annoying editing
2. Shane's gunshot didn't attract any zombies at all, but when he threw the wrench through the window, suddenly zombies
3. On the way out they were driving past a field. Shane looks out the passenger side and sees a random walker. On the way back they were driving past the field again. Shane looks looks out the passenger side and sees the same random walker.
On February 28 2012 04:14 purecarnagge wrote:
Rick won't kill Randall unless the group is over whelmingly in favor of it. Honestly I think it comes down to hershel. Maggie won't want to see a high school friend dead, glenn won't want compeition for maggies attention..so he's okay with wacking him. Dale is a life saving tree hugger, shane wants him dead, andrea will, lori will do w/e rick says, sophie's mom (can't remember her name) Won't care. Darryl will want him dead. Tdog will want him dead.
Rick will try to justify saving him, but will ultimately be outvoted, and forced to kill him.
just my opinion. Otherwise the shane/andrea faction will start to gain too much influence as much as they are hated currently.
A) Randall said Maggie didn't know him, so they aren't friends.
B) Sophia's mom's name's Carol
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On February 28 2012 04:16 tofucake wrote:There were 3 things that reallllly annoyed me about this episode: 1. Aforementioned annoying editing 2. Shane's gunshot didn't attract any zombies at all, but when he threw the wrench through the window, suddenly zombies 3. On the way out they were driving past a field. Shane looks out the passenger side and sees a random walker. On the way back they were driving past the field again. Shane looks looks out the passenger side and sees the same random walker. Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:14 purecarnagge wrote:
Rick won't kill Randall unless the group is over whelmingly in favor of it. Honestly I think it comes down to hershel. Maggie won't want to see a high school friend dead, glenn won't want compeition for maggies attention..so he's okay with wacking him. Dale is a life saving tree hugger, shane wants him dead, andrea will, lori will do w/e rick says, sophie's mom (can't remember her name) Won't care. Darryl will want him dead. Tdog will want him dead.
Rick will try to justify saving him, but will ultimately be outvoted, and forced to kill him.
just my opinion. Otherwise the shane/andrea faction will start to gain too much influence as much as they are hated currently. A) Randall said Maggie didn't know him, so they aren't friends. B) Sophia's mom's name's Carol
He said he went to school with maggie... so yes they do know him...he knows where the farm is... that's where the threat comes from.
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On February 28 2012 04:16 tofucake wrote:
3. On the way out they were driving past a field. Shane looks out the passenger side and sees a random walker. On the way back they were driving past the field again. Shane looks looks out the passenger side and sees the same random walker.
Ya I didn't get the significance of that walker...
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Man I loved this ep so much.
The way he's about to leave Shane, but then he sees the two cop zombies, and it reminds him of what he was, the good guy, makes him go back.
Great story!
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On February 28 2012 04:27 rhs408 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:16 tofucake wrote:
3. On the way out they were driving past a field. Shane looks out the passenger side and sees a random walker. On the way back they were driving past the field again. Shane looks looks out the passenger side and sees the same random walker.
Ya I didn't get the significance of that walker...
It could be symbolic, like the way shane feels in the group..Alone constantly going nowhere.
Or perhaps it was just some random scene that means nothing and we shouldn't care.
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Really stupid however how that guy had a 3 inch or so spike through the centre of his leg, so bad that they said they would have to amputate or cause permanent muscle damage......
....but hes up and about walking like nothing ever happened just the next episode. Whats up with that?
edit; missed the part where a week has passed. I still don't think you'd be up walking after just a week from that kind of injury.
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Without taking into account some of the random details, this episode was really good. : )!
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