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[Movie] Inception - Page 21
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BalliSLife
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
On July 22 2010 16:33 BalliSLife wrote: ![]() hahahaha this is so good! change it to Christopher Nolan hahahahaha! | ||
LilClinkin
Australia667 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + My personal take on the movie is that Mal was never real, she is an idea created by Cobb. Thus the over-arching plot of the film (which no one seems to realise) is Cobb is attempting to incept himself into believing Mal is real. What is the ultimate purpose of this? It is so he can create a dream-state for himself to exist in, and by killing Mal at the deepest level of his dreams, he erases all evidence that he ever created a dream-state for himself. The superficial plot of Ken Watanbe trying to defeat his corporate opponent via inception to dissolve his entire company is a metaphor for Cobb trying to defeat his awareness of existing in a dream-state by dissolving all awareness of the layers of his dream-state. Lots of people think that the end scene with the spinning top is open-ended, because you're not sure if the top is going to stop spinning or not. How ever, the top was never Cobb's totem for telling reality from dream-state, it was Mal's. But IMO Mal isn't real, so the spinning top is essentially a red-herring. Finally, consider our role as the audience in watching the film Inception. We are the people infiltrating into Cobb's mind. The entire film is about us being given access to Cobb's secrets. It logically follows then that Cobb is and always was presented to us in a dream-state, in which we are the observer delving deeper and deeper into his subconscious as he constructs a way to incept himself into forgetting he was ever dreaming. | ||
TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
Plus, think of the children! Anyways, I think we're delving too deep into the concept of the totem. Sure, it was Mal's, but she's dead IRL. | ||
Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 23 2010 00:35 LilClinkin wrote: + Show Spoiler + My personal take on the movie is that Mal was never real, she is an idea created by Cobb. Thus the over-arching plot of the film (which no one seems to realise) is Cobb is attempting to incept himself into believing Mal is real. What is the ultimate purpose of this? It is so he can create a dream-state for himself to exist in, and by killing Mal at the deepest level of his dreams, he erases all evidence that he ever created a dream-state for himself. The superficial plot of Ken Watanbe trying to defeat his corporate opponent via inception to dissolve his entire company is a metaphor for Cobb trying to defeat his awareness of existing in a dream-state by dissolving all awareness of the layers of his dream-state. Lots of people think that the end scene with the spinning top is open-ended, because you're not sure if the top is going to stop spinning or not. How ever, the top was never Cobb's totem for telling reality from dream-state, it was Mal's. But IMO Mal isn't real, so the spinning top is essentially a red-herring. Finally, consider our role as the audience in watching the film Inception. We are the people infiltrating into Cobb's mind. The entire film is about us being given access to Cobb's secrets. It logically follows then that Cobb is and always was presented to us in a dream-state, in which we are the observer delving deeper and deeper into his subconscious as he constructs a way to incept himself into forgetting he was ever dreaming. + Show Spoiler + Ideas like these are great and all, but there's absolutely nothing in the movie that actually hints at the entire thing being a dream. Just because there's nothing in the movie that definitively says that can't happen doesn't mean it did. There needs to be something more besides the possibility. It's essentially like saying that aliens existed in Inception because they never ruled out aliens in any way. | ||
Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On July 23 2010 00:35 LilClinkin wrote: + Show Spoiler + Lots of people think that the end scene with the spinning top is open-ended, because you're not sure if the top is going to stop spinning or not. How ever, the top was never Cobb's totem for telling reality from dream-state, it was Mal's. But IMO Mal isn't real, so the spinning top is essentially a red-herring. + Show Spoiler + Correct me if i'm wrong, but it doesn't matter if it wasn't Cobb's totem originally. The totems aren't magical, they are just supposed to be secret. Since Mal is dead, he is free to use her totem as his own. | ||
Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
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Pinkie
United States145 Posts
On July 23 2010 03:52 Malgrif wrote: guys guys guys, can't we just appreciate the moral of the movie? that we should question everything, even our reality? Yes we should question because its fun. If we just sit around basking in the glory that is reality and never caring about who we are or where we came from then what is the point in us even existing. | ||
Reno(TE)
United Kingdom434 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32027 Posts
On July 21 2010 17:52 Loser777 wrote: I tried listening to some of the soundtrack again after watching and man... I think much of the epicness of this movie is expressed in the music, it just brings so much back after listening to the soundtrack, especially the last song As for the totem, I found another video of someone who had a promo totem and filmed it spinning -for 1 minute 6 seconds (which is clearly long enough for the last scene of the film) so happy ending hopefuls rejoice! Yes the music was absolutely perfect. This was a cool movie, but I definitely started getting lost in the last 30 min or so, when everthing's blowing up and they're dropping in and out of one level of dreaming and what not. | ||
MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On July 22 2010 16:33 BalliSLife wrote: ![]() Holy shit, this might be the best use of this meme, ever. Incidentally, if anyone cares about what Chris Nolan actually meant by the film, check this spoiler out. + Show Spoiler + It's about making movies. Everything makes total sense in this light. http://www.theawl.com/2010/07/the-key-to-inception-its-a-movie-about-making-movies | ||
valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
Incidentally, if anyone cares about what Chris Nolan actually meant by the film, check this spoiler out. + Show Spoiler + It's about making movies. Everything makes total sense in this light. http://www.theawl.com/2010/07/the-key-to-inception-its-a-movie-about-making-movies Incredible. + Show Spoiler + Amazing interpretation. The idea of him not caring at all about whether the top falls or not came to my head, but the first thing I thought was, "Nah, it ain't that deep..." I stand corrected by Mr. Nolan. You are now my favorite director. | ||
BalliSLife
1339 Posts
On July 23 2010 00:35 LilClinkin wrote: + Show Spoiler + My personal take on the movie is that Mal was never real, she is an idea created by Cobb. Thus the over-arching plot of the film (which no one seems to realise) is Cobb is attempting to incept himself into believing Mal is real. What is the ultimate purpose of this? It is so he can create a dream-state for himself to exist in, and by killing Mal at the deepest level of his dreams, he erases all evidence that he ever created a dream-state for himself. The superficial plot of Ken Watanbe trying to defeat his corporate opponent via inception to dissolve his entire company is a metaphor for Cobb trying to defeat his awareness of existing in a dream-state by dissolving all awareness of the layers of his dream-state. Lots of people think that the end scene with the spinning top is open-ended, because you're not sure if the top is going to stop spinning or not. How ever, the top was never Cobb's totem for telling reality from dream-state, it was Mal's. But IMO Mal isn't real, so the spinning top is essentially a red-herring. Finally, consider our role as the audience in watching the film Inception. We are the people infiltrating into Cobb's mind. The entire film is about us being given access to Cobb's secrets. It logically follows then that Cobb is and always was presented to us in a dream-state, in which we are the observer delving deeper and deeper into his subconscious as he constructs a way to incept himself into forgetting he was ever dreaming. I am now more confused than I originally was. | ||
Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
I just watched this movie, and i've been thinking about the whole saito aging much older than everyone else thing. The way i take it, is that each level of dreaming has its own respective limbo. So, when Saito dies, he does so in all three levels of dreaming. However, i believe the first level would hold priority, as its the one he actually dies in. The fact that Fischer is dead before him means nothing, because Fischer is only dead in his dreams (level 3), and not his reality (dream 1). This means that Saito has ended up in Limbo 1. Cobb on the otherhand chases after Fischer, who has only died in dream 3. This means that this is another (but probably identical) limbo 3 in which anyone in dream 3 can jump into, but is entirely a figment of Saito's imagination, who is sitting in Limbo 1. Therefore, when Cobb fails to leave limbo 3 in time, he doesn't necessarily die, but he is incapable of being woken up. For this reason, he soon after drowns in dream 1, which then places him into Limbo 1. But, since Limbo 1 is a creation that is still three dreams deep, i suppose the no more than 2 minute difference between Saito's bleeding out and Cobb's drowning become something like 50 years in Limbo 1, thus leaving Saito old and dying. Pathing this looks something like this: Reality: (Saito and Cobb jump into dream 1) ........dream 1: (Saito and Cobb jump into dream 2) ................dream 2: (Saito and Cobb jump into dream 3) ........................dream 3: (Fischer dies and Cobb follows him to Limbo 3) ........dream 1: (Saito dies causing...) ................dream 2: (Saito dies causing...) ........................dream 3: (Saito dies bringing him to Limbo 1***) ................................Limbo 3: (Cobb refuses to be woken up, disallowing any kicks causing...) ........dream 1: (Cobb drowns causing...) ................dream 2: (Cobb drowns causing...) ........................dream 3: (Cobb drowns bringing him to Limbo 1***) ................................Limbo 1: (Cobb finds Saito, etc.) Reality: (The stewardess has by this point already jacked Firschers 500+ dollar wallet and everything in it). Anyways, this is how I see it having gone down. But i would also like to note, Saito must have really regretted wanting to go into the dream, considering he dies three times over and must live 50 years alone with only the projections of his own subconscious to keep him company. *** Remember, Limbo 1 is the limbo that represents Saito's death in all three dreams, while the creation of Limbo 3 is merely a figment of his imagination | ||
HalfAmazing
Netherlands402 Posts
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 23 2010 11:55 HalfAmazing wrote: The movie is overly ambitious and a little condescending. I didn't care much for the story, as it required too much of a non visual explanation (i.e. spelling out exactly what is going on.) Faultless directing, though, given the limited and convoluted script. Probably Nolan's second 'worst' (they're all very good). How so? I don't see any of those problems at all in the movie. | ||
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