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BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
July 22 2010 07:33 GMT
#401
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Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
July 22 2010 09:47 GMT
#402
On July 22 2010 16:33 BalliSLife wrote:
[image loading]


hahahaha this is so good! change it to Christopher Nolan hahahahaha!
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
LilClinkin
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Australia667 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 15:35:27
July 22 2010 15:35 GMT
#403

+ Show Spoiler +
My personal take on the movie is that Mal was never real, she is an idea created by Cobb. Thus the over-arching plot of the film (which no one seems to realise) is Cobb is attempting to incept himself into believing Mal is real. What is the ultimate purpose of this? It is so he can create a dream-state for himself to exist in, and by killing Mal at the deepest level of his dreams, he erases all evidence that he ever created a dream-state for himself. The superficial plot of Ken Watanbe trying to defeat his corporate opponent via inception to dissolve his entire company is a metaphor for Cobb trying to defeat his awareness of existing in a dream-state by dissolving all awareness of the layers of his dream-state.

Lots of people think that the end scene with the spinning top is open-ended, because you're not sure if the top is going to stop spinning or not. How ever, the top was never Cobb's totem for telling reality from dream-state, it was Mal's. But IMO Mal isn't real, so the spinning top is essentially a red-herring.

Finally, consider our role as the audience in watching the film Inception. We are the people infiltrating into Cobb's mind. The entire film is about us being given access to Cobb's secrets. It logically follows then that Cobb is and always was presented to us in a dream-state, in which we are the observer delving deeper and deeper into his subconscious as he constructs a way to incept himself into forgetting he was ever dreaming.

TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
July 22 2010 18:30 GMT
#404
I really don't think Mal was created by Cobb. Really cheapens the ending between them when Mal "dies" for a second time.

Plus, think of the children!

Anyways, I think we're delving too deep into the concept of the totem. Sure, it was Mal's, but she's dead IRL.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 22 2010 18:37 GMT
#405
On July 23 2010 00:35 LilClinkin wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +
My personal take on the movie is that Mal was never real, she is an idea created by Cobb. Thus the over-arching plot of the film (which no one seems to realise) is Cobb is attempting to incept himself into believing Mal is real. What is the ultimate purpose of this? It is so he can create a dream-state for himself to exist in, and by killing Mal at the deepest level of his dreams, he erases all evidence that he ever created a dream-state for himself. The superficial plot of Ken Watanbe trying to defeat his corporate opponent via inception to dissolve his entire company is a metaphor for Cobb trying to defeat his awareness of existing in a dream-state by dissolving all awareness of the layers of his dream-state.

Lots of people think that the end scene with the spinning top is open-ended, because you're not sure if the top is going to stop spinning or not. How ever, the top was never Cobb's totem for telling reality from dream-state, it was Mal's. But IMO Mal isn't real, so the spinning top is essentially a red-herring.

Finally, consider our role as the audience in watching the film Inception. We are the people infiltrating into Cobb's mind. The entire film is about us being given access to Cobb's secrets. It logically follows then that Cobb is and always was presented to us in a dream-state, in which we are the observer delving deeper and deeper into his subconscious as he constructs a way to incept himself into forgetting he was ever dreaming.



+ Show Spoiler +
Ideas like these are great and all, but there's absolutely nothing in the movie that actually hints at the entire thing being a dream. Just because there's nothing in the movie that definitively says that can't happen doesn't mean it did. There needs to be something more besides the possibility. It's essentially like saying that aliens existed in Inception because they never ruled out aliens in any way.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
July 22 2010 18:40 GMT
#406
On July 23 2010 00:35 LilClinkin wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

Lots of people think that the end scene with the spinning top is open-ended, because you're not sure if the top is going to stop spinning or not. How ever, the top was never Cobb's totem for telling reality from dream-state, it was Mal's. But IMO Mal isn't real, so the spinning top is essentially a red-herring.



+ Show Spoiler +
Correct me if i'm wrong, but it doesn't matter if it wasn't Cobb's totem originally. The totems aren't magical, they are just supposed to be secret. Since Mal is dead, he is free to use her totem as his own.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Malgrif
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1095 Posts
July 22 2010 18:52 GMT
#407
guys guys guys, can't we just appreciate the moral of the movie? that we should question everything, even our reality?
for there to be pro there has to be noob.
Pinkie
Profile Joined May 2010
United States145 Posts
July 22 2010 19:40 GMT
#408
On July 23 2010 03:52 Malgrif wrote:
guys guys guys, can't we just appreciate the moral of the movie? that we should question everything, even our reality?


Yes we should question because its fun. If we just sit around basking in the glory that is reality and never caring about who we are or where we came from then what is the point in us even existing.

The Difference between Stupidity and Genius, is that genius has its limits
Reno(TE)
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom434 Posts
July 22 2010 19:41 GMT
#409
I may be dreaming right now ...
A pro isnt someone who sacrifices themselves for their job, thats just a fool.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
July 22 2010 19:45 GMT
#410
On July 21 2010 17:52 Loser777 wrote:
I tried listening to some of the soundtrack again after watching and man... I think much of the epicness of this movie is expressed in the music, it just brings so much back after listening to the soundtrack, especially the last song


As for the totem, I found another video of someone who had a promo totem and filmed it spinning -for 1 minute 6 seconds (which is clearly long enough for the last scene of the film) so happy ending hopefuls rejoice!


Yes the music was absolutely perfect.

This was a cool movie, but I definitely started getting lost in the last 30 min or so, when everthing's blowing up and they're dropping in and out of one level of dreaming and what not.
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
July 22 2010 20:27 GMT
#411
On July 22 2010 16:33 BalliSLife wrote:
[image loading]


Holy shit, this might be the best use of this meme, ever.

Incidentally, if anyone cares about what Chris Nolan actually meant by the film, check this spoiler out.

+ Show Spoiler +
It's about making movies. Everything makes total sense in this light.

http://www.theawl.com/2010/07/the-key-to-inception-its-a-movie-about-making-movies
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
July 22 2010 20:49 GMT
#412
No wonder Nolan directed Memento and The Prestige...he's a genius.
ggaemo fan
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
July 22 2010 21:25 GMT
#413
Is there any place I can watch this online yet? I've seen it but I want to watch it with my gf and she's out of state.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 21:41:18
July 22 2010 21:41 GMT
#414


Incidentally, if anyone cares about what Chris Nolan actually meant by the film, check this spoiler out.

+ Show Spoiler +
It's about making movies. Everything makes total sense in this light.

http://www.theawl.com/2010/07/the-key-to-inception-its-a-movie-about-making-movies


Incredible.

+ Show Spoiler +

Amazing interpretation. The idea of him not caring at all about whether the top falls or not came to my head, but the first thing I thought was, "Nah, it ain't that deep..."

I stand corrected by Mr. Nolan. You are now my favorite director.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
July 22 2010 22:59 GMT
#415
On July 23 2010 00:35 LilClinkin wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +
My personal take on the movie is that Mal was never real, she is an idea created by Cobb. Thus the over-arching plot of the film (which no one seems to realise) is Cobb is attempting to incept himself into believing Mal is real. What is the ultimate purpose of this? It is so he can create a dream-state for himself to exist in, and by killing Mal at the deepest level of his dreams, he erases all evidence that he ever created a dream-state for himself. The superficial plot of Ken Watanbe trying to defeat his corporate opponent via inception to dissolve his entire company is a metaphor for Cobb trying to defeat his awareness of existing in a dream-state by dissolving all awareness of the layers of his dream-state.

Lots of people think that the end scene with the spinning top is open-ended, because you're not sure if the top is going to stop spinning or not. How ever, the top was never Cobb's totem for telling reality from dream-state, it was Mal's. But IMO Mal isn't real, so the spinning top is essentially a red-herring.

Finally, consider our role as the audience in watching the film Inception. We are the people infiltrating into Cobb's mind. The entire film is about us being given access to Cobb's secrets. It logically follows then that Cobb is and always was presented to us in a dream-state, in which we are the observer delving deeper and deeper into his subconscious as he constructs a way to incept himself into forgetting he was ever dreaming.



I am now more confused than I originally was.
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
July 22 2010 23:01 GMT
#416
Just saw it on pre-show in Sweden. It was really good.
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 01:42:56
July 23 2010 01:28 GMT
#417
+ Show Spoiler +
I just watched this movie, and i've been thinking about the whole saito aging much older than everyone else thing. The way i take it, is that each level of dreaming has its own respective limbo. So, when Saito dies, he does so in all three levels of dreaming. However, i believe the first level would hold priority, as its the one he actually dies in.

The fact that Fischer is dead before him means nothing, because Fischer is only dead in his dreams (level 3), and not his reality (dream 1). This means that Saito has ended up in Limbo 1. Cobb on the otherhand chases after Fischer, who has only died in dream 3. This means that this is another (but probably identical) limbo 3 in which anyone in dream 3 can jump into, but is entirely a figment of Saito's imagination, who is sitting in Limbo 1. Therefore, when Cobb fails to leave limbo 3 in time, he doesn't necessarily die, but he is incapable of being woken up. For this reason, he soon after drowns in dream 1, which then places him into Limbo 1. But, since Limbo 1 is a creation that is still three dreams deep, i suppose the no more than 2 minute difference between Saito's bleeding out and Cobb's drowning become something like 50 years in Limbo 1, thus leaving Saito old and dying.

Pathing this looks something like this:
Reality: (Saito and Cobb jump into dream 1)
........dream 1: (Saito and Cobb jump into dream 2)
................dream 2: (Saito and Cobb jump into dream 3)
........................dream 3: (Fischer dies and Cobb follows him to Limbo 3)
........dream 1: (Saito dies causing...)
................dream 2: (Saito dies causing...)
........................dream 3: (Saito dies bringing him to Limbo 1***)
................................Limbo 3: (Cobb refuses to be woken up, disallowing any kicks causing...)
........dream 1: (Cobb drowns causing...)
................dream 2: (Cobb drowns causing...)
........................dream 3: (Cobb drowns bringing him to Limbo 1***)
................................Limbo 1: (Cobb finds Saito, etc.)
Reality: (The stewardess has by this point already jacked Firschers 500+ dollar wallet and everything in it).

Anyways, this is how I see it having gone down. But i would also like to note, Saito must have really regretted wanting to go into the dream, considering he dies three times over and must live 50 years alone with only the projections of his own subconscious to keep him company.

*** Remember, Limbo 1 is the limbo that represents Saito's death in all three dreams, while the creation of Limbo 3 is merely a figment of his imagination
JF dodger since 2009
HalfAmazing
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands402 Posts
July 23 2010 02:55 GMT
#418
The movie is overly ambitious and a little condescending. I didn't care much for the story, as it required too much of a non visual explanation (i.e. spelling out exactly what is going on.) Faultless directing, though, given the limited and convoluted script. Probably Nolan's second 'worst' (they're all very good).
You can figure out the other half.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
July 23 2010 03:02 GMT
#419
I don't have much more to say other than I really really enjoyed this movie. It was something clever and new and also not a remake or a sequel like we've seen the last 2-3years. I also like that Mal sounded like Bjork.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 23 2010 03:03 GMT
#420
On July 23 2010 11:55 HalfAmazing wrote:
The movie is overly ambitious and a little condescending. I didn't care much for the story, as it required too much of a non visual explanation (i.e. spelling out exactly what is going on.) Faultless directing, though, given the limited and convoluted script. Probably Nolan's second 'worst' (they're all very good).


How so? I don't see any of those problems at all in the movie.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
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