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Thought it was surprisingly good when I saw this 7-8 years ago. German movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130827/
Perhaps not hidden, don't really know.
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LogaiN
Sweden1073 Posts
Thought it was surprisingly good when I saw this 7-8 years ago. German movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130827/ Perhaps not hidden, don't really know. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/Kurt_Cobain_About_a_Son_cover.jpg) I'm a huge fan of Kurt Cobain and this documentary does him justice. It's just a phone interview the director did just before he died. Great Doc. ![[image loading]](http://goregirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/cannibal-holocaust.jpg) It's actually a good film with an underlying message if you can grit it out. The director actually went to jail for this film because the Italian government thought it was a snuff film. He was let out when one of the actors who was in the movie proved that he was alive and well. DO NOT WATCH if you can't handle gore well. ![[image loading]](http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Moon-film-poster-Duncan-Jones-Sam-Rockwell.jpg) It's already been mentioned a few times but it's grossly underrated. go watch it now. ![[image loading]](http://bplteensofwa.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/eraserhead-posters.jpg) Can't believe no one suggested eraserhead. David Lynch is the king of surrealist movies. ![[image loading]](http://riversaredamp.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/the-wind-that-shakes-the-barley.jpg) Just got it, haven't had time to watch it yet. You Brits and Irish probably have heard of this film. | ||
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WAAA
New Zealand291 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=afrqv4tr.jpg) the experiment/das experiment. Very good movie not sure how well known it is tho. | ||
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Aether
Canada123 Posts
Cannibal Holocaust is not a good movie, at least not in a direct way. It's one of those movies that's so bad that it becomes unintentionally hilarious. I've really never understood people who think the gore is disturbing because it's presented in such a ridiculous way that it's impossible to take seriously. I would recommend it because it's hilarious, weird, and a one of those movies that you just want to be able to say "I've seen it", not because it's a good movie though. What I WOULD warn people about in this movie is that it depicts quite a bit of ACTUAL animal cruelty. This is the only potentially disturbing part as far as I'm concerned. They genuinely killed and tortured a number of animals throughout the film. These include things that are less visceral like killing a spider with a knife or cutting of a snake's head to some significantly more brutal stuff like a monkey getting the top of it's head chopped off and a pig getting kicked around and then shot with a rifle. These scenes can be genuinely disturbing for some people because it's cruelty to animals and it's entirely real. This is what people should really be warned about. The gore and violence directed at humans though is entirely fake, and presented in such an outlandish manner that it's hard to take it seriously at all. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On June 09 2010 16:35 Aether wrote: IMO: Cannibal Holocaust is not a good movie, at least not in a direct way. It's one of those movies that's so bad that it becomes unintentionally hilarious. I've really never understood people who think the gore is disturbing because it's presented in such a ridiculous way that it's impossible to take seriously. I would recommend it because it's hilarious, weird, and a one of those movies that you just want to be able to say "I've seen it", not because it's a good movie though. What I WOULD warn people about in this movie is that it depicts quite a bit of ACTUAL animal cruelty. This is the only potentially disturbing part as far as I'm concerned. They genuinely killed and tortured a number of animals throughout the film. These include things that are less visceral like killing a spider with a knife or cutting of a snake's head to some significantly more brutal stuff like a monkey getting the top of it's head chopped off and a pig getting kicked around and then shot with a rifle. These scenes can be genuinely disturbing for some people because it's cruelty to animals and it's entirely real. This is what people should really be warned about. The gore and violence directed at humans though is entirely fake, and presented in such an outlandish manner that it's hard to take it seriously at all. IMO the animal killings and torture is small beans in comparison to women getting raped and staked, as well as a native culture destroyed by white "scholars." In the end you question who the real savages are. I'm not here to get into a conversation about ethical treatment of animals. I'm only here to discuss and share good movies that have flown under the radar. | ||
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Aether
Canada123 Posts
As far as the movie's "message", the whole notion of "are we civilized people the real savages?" is just so tired and played out, not to mention completely false. It's a nice little bit of nostalgia to think that the world was a peaceful harmonious place where we all loved one another while living in trees and living off of the land, and us bloodthirsty civilized people just want to watch murders on TV all day, but it's not true. You can look at reels of data on life expectancy, murder rates, rape statistics, any form of crime statistics to verify it, it's just one of these notions people came up with because of their disenfranchisement with modern media. These people forget one thing: they know absolutely nothing about living in a jungle under primitive tribal rule, so they are in no position to even try to make the comparison. I can't comprehend how anyone can take the violence in Cannibal Holocaust seriously. It's SOOOOOO fake. It's like watching one of those comedy-horrors where people are being murdered brutally, but everything is happening in such an outlandish setting with poor acting, stupid one-liners, and unrealistic effects that there's no way to contextualize it within any form of reality, causing any element of relatability to fly out the window. Maybe it's because you're a woman and the topic of rape is particularly disturbing to you, but I think if you were to watch a movie like "irreversible" you would see what I mean. This is a movie that deals with very similar topics: rape, revenge, the element of violent depravity that we try to pretend doesn't exist as civilized people. Only it deals with them in an utterly brutally realistic manner, in a real-world situation that could happen to anyone. I'm not trying to shit on your choice of movie, but I think you would see my point if you watched a movie like irreversible and made comparisons. CH is just so poorly made and so unrealistic, it could have been disturbing if it were remotely believable. Like I said, I would recommend it, but I think people should really know that they're about to watch animals being tortured. The woman who pretended to get raped went home at the end of the day, everyone understands this when watching violence in movies. The animals were genuinely slaughtered in painful, cruel ways for no reason whatsoever. Frankly I think the unintentional message the movie delivered is the only message worth taking from it. | ||
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Aether
Canada123 Posts
On June 09 2010 16:46 Miss_Cleo wrote: IMO the animal killings and torture is small beans in comparison to women getting raped and staked, as well as a native culture destroyed by white "scholars." In the end you question who the real savages are. I'm not here to get into a conversation about ethical treatment of animals. I'm only here to discuss and share good movies that have flown under the radar. After re-reading your post I'm not entirely sure that you realize the animal killings are real, not staged parts of a movie. The rapes and murders are acted out, the animals were genuinely tortured and killed on film by the actors as part of the filming process, it's not faked or staged in any way. An actor took a monkey, and used a machete to chop off the top part of his head, exposing his brain while he twitches, and an actor actually kicked the pig around and shot it with a real rifle. These things actually really happened. The rapes and murders didn't. | ||
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Aether
Canada123 Posts
On June 09 2010 15:26 WAAA wrote: the experiment/das experiment. Very good movie not sure how well known it is tho. Worth noting that this is based on an actual experiment. The premise is that a bunch of volunteers partaking in a medical study are used to simulate the conditions of a jail, with one group playing the wardens and another playing the inmates. The experiment yielded pretty shocking results, shocking enough to be made into a movie. I thought the acting was kind of poor, but the fact that it's a recreation of actual events helps with the suspension of disbelief. Fact is stranger than fiction. | ||
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CCGaunt
United States417 Posts
Valhalla Rising. Really beautiful movie with Nordic tones and history. Not for everyone, not much dialogue, and a pulse pounding soundtrack. Honestly, one of the best movies I've ever seen simply because I'm very much into warrior culture, nordic culture, and vikings. Until the Light Takes Us A documentary about Black Metal in Norway. I feel that this is the best and most representative documentary about the subject out there. Obviously fans of black metal should appreciate it the most, but open minded people who want to learn about the culture can watch as well. Manufacturing Consent Documentary following the media industry with a lot of focus on Noam Chomsky. Even though many of my views differ from his, this documentary is still well formed and a lot of great footage is in it. | ||
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WAAA
New Zealand291 Posts
On June 09 2010 18:04 Aether wrote: Worth noting that this is based on an actual experiment. The premise is that a bunch of volunteers partaking in a medical study are used to simulate the conditions of a jail, with one group playing the wardens and another playing the inmates. The experiment yielded pretty shocking results, shocking enough to be made into a movie. I thought the acting was kind of poor, but the fact that it's a recreation of actual events helps with the suspension of disbelief. Fact is stranger than fiction. I think you should also note that the actual experiment was stopped long before they got to the same stage in the movie. | ||
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Thretau
Finland85 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.shockya.com/news/wp-content/uploads/mr_brooks_poster.jpg) Mr. Brooks was very pleasant surprise when I saw it for the first time. Interesting serial killer plot with nice twists. Highly recommended, both Costner and Hurt are great. Mr. Brooks Trailer | ||
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tehswarmerer
United States14 Posts
directed by david bowies son. sorry i dont have a link and also sorry if some1 mentioned this already. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On June 09 2010 16:35 Aether wrote: IMO: Cannibal Holocaust is not a good movie, at least not in a direct way. It's one of those movies that's so bad that it becomes unintentionally hilarious. I've really never understood people who think the gore is disturbing because it's presented in such a ridiculous way that it's impossible to take seriously. I would recommend it because it's hilarious, weird, and a one of those movies that you just want to be able to say "I've seen it", not because it's a good movie though. Completely disagree. Firstly, even though I could tell the lo-fi quality of the production and the poor quality acting, and even the completely bizarre soundtrack left this movie firmly in B-territory, the story and pacing is extremely disturbing if you allow yourself to take it seriously; and it is a film worth watching as an artistic exploration of primal carnal urges. I think it's a thrilling ride, with a lot of tension. I also don't think many of the events in the film are as unrealistic as you purport them to be. What you say about the animal cruelty is extremely unfortunate and appalling however. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
On June 05 2010 17:49 Slow Motion wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.cclapcenter.com/archives/cube01.jpg) Great claustrophobic and psychological movie. Seemingly low budget sci fi but actually very well done. Yo, just watched it and it was great! Now should I watch the sequel and the prequel or do they suck ass? | ||
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Aether
Canada123 Posts
On June 09 2010 20:03 WAAA wrote: I think you should also note that the actual experiment was stopped long before they got to the same stage in the movie. Not really. The vast majority of what happens in the movie happened in the experiment. The conclusion is embellished but probably a good 90% of what happens in the movie happened in the experiment including guards not allowing prisoners to use the washroom, physical punishment for disobedience, confiscating their mattresses and blankets and forcing them to sleep naked on the concrete, subjecting them to sexual humiliation, the riot on the second day, the guards creating solitary isolation chambers and using them to turn the prisoners against one another etc.etc.etc. Read about it. There's actually very little embellishment in the movie until the very ending, which is where it gets kind of ludicrous. The vast, vast majority of the movie is accurate, as the person conducting the experiment was also partaking in it as the warden, and became engrossed in his own role, allowing it to get much farther out of hand than an objective observer would have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment This description of the experiment is basically the first hour and a half of the movie, then they add in a ridiculous conclusion, like all thrillers do, to appeal to an audience. They didn't really stop the experiment "long before" they do in the movie. It was allowed to get severely out of hand. Obviously the very ending is not realistic, they didn't allow the subjects to die or rape people, but they definitely subjected them to what is tantamount to torture. I didn't want to say anything about the ending because I didn't want to completely ruin the movie for people. "Oh, this is based on a true story, but by the way this thing that happens at the very end is fake" Who wants to hear that as part of a synopsis? | ||
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Aether
Canada123 Posts
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deotrip
Germany119 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.dreadcentral.com/img/news/dec09/exam.jpg) http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/exam/trailer | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
On June 09 2010 20:40 Licmyobelisk wrote: Yo, just watched it and it was great! Now should I watch the sequel and the prequel or do they suck ass? Don't bother, the second is garbage. | ||
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Aether
Canada123 Posts
On June 09 2010 20:19 sc4k wrote: Completely disagree. Firstly, even though I could tell the lo-fi quality of the production and the poor quality acting, and even the completely bizarre soundtrack left this movie firmly in B-territory, the story and pacing is extremely disturbing if you allow yourself to take it seriously; and it is a film worth watching as an artistic exploration of primal carnal urges. I think it's a thrilling ride, with a lot of tension. I also don't think many of the events in the film are as unrealistic as you purport them to be. What you say about the animal cruelty is extremely unfortunate and appalling however. Yeah I don't know, maybe I've just seen a lot of FAR, FAR more realistic and FAR more violent things than this movie. I guess it depends on what you've seen, but like I said if you compare the presentation of cannibal holocaust to a movie like irreversible, august underground's mordum, salo, henry: portrait of a serial killer, come and see, or any of the really truly disturbing movies that are out there, it just looks like a comedy. I don't know, maybe the people who find CH disturbing just haven't been exposed to a more realistic level of brutality. A big part of my problem with it is that the characters just start doing these things for no real reason whatsoever, or at least not for any reason that a sane individual would ever consider rational, and if the characters aren't representative of the average, sane man, then the entire point the movie is making is lost since it can't be related to our "civilized" society in a general sense. If I look at irreversible I can say that something clearly provoked the actions of the characters, a believable circumstance that could cause an average man to behave in a bloodthirsty, sadistic manner, because it's justified in his mind. Once you have that connection you can really make a relevant point, because you're portraying a completely real side of human nature. If I look at CH I can't find that kind of connection there. There's no relatable reasoning for their actions, there's no way you can say "yeah, I could see myself in the position of these characters, doing these things given the right (or wrong) circumstances" and to me that's what makes a disturbing movie disturbing, the dark facets of real humanity that they show. Like I said, I AGREE with the recommendation, it's a classic movie. I just think the movie is too poorly made to really take seriously enough to be disturbed by it. I can't tell you what you're disturbed by, but this is how I see the movie. I've probably just been conditioned to a far higher threshold of brutality than most people. With the completely uncensored content the web allows people access to, we have the potential to view things that people 10 years ago couldn't even have imagined without having seen them first hand. | ||
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FJ
United Kingdom321 Posts
On June 09 2010 20:40 Licmyobelisk wrote: Yo, just watched it and it was great! Now should I watch the sequel and the prequel or do they suck ass? Give the second a try, but just don't bother with the prequel. The second is pretty stupid, but some people think it's alright. But the prequel is a terrible terrible film. I believe it was a different director and writer. | ||
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