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Poll: Team Liquid vs Royal Never Give UpTeam Liquid Win (31) 69% Royal Never Give Up Win (14) 31% 45 total votes Your vote: Team Liquid vs Royal Never Give Up (Vote): Team Liquid Win
(Vote): Royal Never Give Up Win
Poll: Infamous vs Team SecretInfamous Win (29) 51% Team Secret Win (28) 49% 57 total votes Your vote: Infamous vs Team Secret (Vote): Infamous Win
(Vote): Team Secret Win
Poll: Evil Geniuses vs Team Liquid / Royal Never Give UpTeam Liquid / Royal Never Give Up Win (26) 51% Evil Geniuses Win (25) 49% 51 total votes Your vote: Evil Geniuses vs Team Liquid / Royal Never Give Up (Vote): Evil Geniuses Win
(Vote): Team Liquid / Royal Never Give Up Win
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Dare I dream a South American dream?
Secret might actually be their worst matchup in the whole tournament (I feel like Infamous could get picked apart in the drafting stage), but I'll be damned I don't have hope for the underdog!
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On August 23 2019 04:04 MetalMercury wrote:
Dare I dream a South American dream?
Secret might actually be their worst matchup in the whole tournament (I feel like Infamous could get picked apart in the drafting stage), but I'll be damned I don't have hope for the underdog!
Same here, head says Secret wins, but my heart bleeds Peruvian, let's go Infamous!
Also hoping for RNG to beat Liquid then EG to win
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Hoping Puppey decides to not ban WK against Infamous
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Let's go INF, just do it!
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On August 23 2019 09:05 plasmidghost wrote:
Hoping Puppey decides to not ban WK against Infamous
"Don't worry guys, we can counter it."
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1. TL. 2. Secret. 3. EG. Hope, I am wrong about it.
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Go go Peru. Do it for the memes.
Hope our boys in EG can pull it back but it'll be terrible if we don't have a chinese team in the finals for a Chinese TI.
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On August 23 2019 11:15 Sabu113 wrote:
Go go Peru. Do it for the memes.
Hope our boys in EG can pull it back but it'll be terrible if we don't have a chinese team in the finals for a Chinese TI.
LGD is looking so good right now, I think they definitely make it to the finals
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dates/times wrong on the thread for matches?
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NS eh, I'm very surprised to see it, but I think it wins
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On August 23 2019 11:26 plasmidghost wrote:
NS eh, I'm very surprised to see it, but I think it wins
Well, it matters if MC can channel 33, as 33 is pretty much the only player that has made the hero work all season.
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I always walk away from these BSJ segments feeling vaguely ashamed of myself.
Support IO is so passe. Feeling RNG if this goes long?
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What the fuck is this game
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Some 2000 IQ shit is going on...
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On August 23 2019 11:32 plasmidghost wrote:
What the fuck is this game
What happened in pubs last night?!?!?
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not even 1k mmr have this laning setup
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when you have 2 people lock in jungle because they didn't get their lanes lol
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Ugh please no tire screech spam.
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Just from the first 10mins of the game, seems like Liquid has woken up. They are playing io gyro 4p1 the proper way compared to that awful game vs fnatic.
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Dota plus probability seems to be inaccurate for quite a few TI games already. How can this be 65%+ in favor of RNG lmao
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Now this is the Liquid I wanted to see!
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That Setsu buyback might be a game-loser.
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On August 23 2019 11:51 babysimba wrote:
Dota plus probability seems to be inaccurate for quite a few TI games already. How can this be 65%+ in favor of RNG lmao
Dota Plus is based on pub results. That's why it loves a few heroes. In pro-matches, you can pull off combos that pubs never will.
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On August 23 2019 11:52 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 11:51 babysimba wrote:
Dota plus probability seems to be inaccurate for quite a few TI games already. How can this be 65%+ in favor of RNG lmao Dota Plus is based on pub results. That's why it loves a few heroes. In pro-matches, you can pull off combos that pubs never will.
Yea I guess so, but it was pretty accurate for last year TI.
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Melee cores vs NS is never going to end well
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On August 23 2019 11:54 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 11:52 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 11:51 babysimba wrote:
Dota plus probability seems to be inaccurate for quite a few TI games already. How can this be 65%+ in favor of RNG lmao Dota Plus is based on pub results. That's why it loves a few heroes. In pro-matches, you can pull off combos that pubs never will. Yea I guess so, but it was pretty accurate for last year TI.
Well, OG abusing the heroes that Dota Plus loved had something to do with it. This year's meta allows for Mega Creep comebacks because of all of the damage being drafted. That messes up Dota Plus.
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RNG feels like a "probes & pylons" type of team. They farm really well.
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Clean io gyro game, but Liquid needs to prove they can play more than io. It is likely going to get banned in future games.
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Did Fogged just get his headphones knocked off?
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Liquid started fast and deadly, RNG got overruned.
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Credit to MC for making the Nightstalker work well. It's a really high leverage hero in its current state.
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I really like what Kaci and Slacks do. They are really refining their work year on year
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NS is an really interesting hero, silence that can only be blocked by bkb and can't be dispelled by manta, lotus, abaddon's shield, etc.
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I love LaNm but w33 did carry EE to his only Major win, so I'll be satisfied no matter the outcome
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On August 23 2019 12:23 plasmidghost wrote:
I love LaNm but w33 did carry EE to his only Major win, so I'll be satisfied no matter the outcome
I thought you were in the EE fan club plasmid!
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On August 23 2019 12:24 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 12:23 plasmidghost wrote:
I love LaNm but w33 did carry EE to his only Major win, so I'll be satisfied no matter the outcome I thought you were in the EE fan club plasmid!
I still am! I accidentally got rid of my C9 flair and can't get it back 
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On August 23 2019 12:29 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 12:24 Sabu113 wrote:On August 23 2019 12:23 plasmidghost wrote:
I love LaNm but w33 did carry EE to his only Major win, so I'll be satisfied no matter the outcome I thought you were in the EE fan club plasmid! I still am! I accidentally got rid of my C9 flair and can't get it back
Mistakes were made
I really like Tiny this tournament.
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arc warden
so 2-0 for liquid then ?
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arc warden yuck, and by yuck I mean that's a good pick
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Miracle Arc Warden, this is going to be a 2-0 for Liquid
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should be a comfortable 2-0
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How does AW work against Enchantress in lane? If Ench can be shut down, RNG is going to have issues.
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Ah Liquid going for the ultimate late game hero, RNG is gonna be under huge pressure, Ancient Aparition + Arc warden sound really disgusting, sparks are gonna melt people.
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On August 23 2019 12:35 Taf the Ghost wrote:
How does AW work against Enchantress in lane? If Ench can be shut down, RNG is going to have issues.
It does not matter in mid. Worst they have no hero to gank mid, Miracle is gonna get an eaaarly midas.
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On August 23 2019 12:38 ironcell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 12:35 Taf the Ghost wrote:
How does AW work against Enchantress in lane? If Ench can be shut down, RNG is going to have issues. It does not matter in mid. Worst they have no hero to gank mid, Miracle is gonna get an eaaarly midas.
Asked that before they sent Miracle mid, but only the Shaman rotating can gank for a while. Miracle can maybe snowball this, especially if he gets some help in a few levels.
Interesting meta trend is finding edges in the laning stage through trilanes around the Ench. Quite fun to watch.
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That was... questionable from w33
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Think RNG lineup is still capable of ending early against AW. They have to play balls deep and dive under towers to kill heroes before pushing, like blink bkb OD.
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You lucky lucky bastard mind control!
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Ooof. RNG not there for RNG.
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Mind Cooontrol, this was soo frustating for RNG.
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On August 23 2019 12:45 babysimba wrote:
Think RNG lineup is still capable of ending early against AW. They have to play balls deep and dive under towers to kill heroes before pushing, like blink bkb OD.
They've got about 5 minutes before Miracle is in full snowball mode.
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Was that intended functionality? Tiny Toss dispelled Cold Feet
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Still literally impossible to die on Ench.
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Her artillery spears does nothing against AW's bubble though
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I feel like everyone has studied what Infamous does with their WK drafts and are replicating it in their own style. lol
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On August 23 2019 12:54 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I feel like everyone has studied what Infamous does with their WK drafts and are replicating it in their own style. lol
The balls-to-the-wall 4v5 fighting to buy free farm for one core, you mean?
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I'm honestly shocked Setsu is way ahead of Miracle in XP and ahead in gold despite Miracle having double Midas
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And as I say that, it starts to crumble
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things not to do as enchantress: walk into the ice blast you can see coming
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Man just farm bkb before you fight head on with Liquid heroes
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On August 23 2019 12:56 ASoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 12:54 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I feel like everyone has studied what Infamous does with their WK drafts and are replicating it in their own style. lol The balls-to-the-wall 4v5 fighting to buy free farm for one core, you mean?
Yup. You need the type of carry that can come in and get things done. Now, Enchantress Meta helps, but LGD was using ultra-tanky drafts to accomplish the same thing.
Though the Meta is all about the rotations, so it looks different for everyone.
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Come on Miracle, playing sloppy lately.
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ok bkb od. It's your only opportunity now RNG
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Super made life so hard on his team with this draft.
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The stupidest thing to play against AW team is their buyback dota.
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Technically, RNG can still play the late late game if they are confident to do so.
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On August 23 2019 13:07 babysimba wrote:
Technically, RNG can still play the late late game if they are confident to do so.
They have to start the fights, though.
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That was perfect by RNG, they're definitely still in this
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big dick lanm making rhasta players proud
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RNG is playing really well given the circunstances, still if Miracle get lvl 25 this game is gonna get OSFROG.
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RNG is making a fan out of me
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AW is dying way too many times this game lol
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Apparently OD is actually a good hero?
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RNG blew it with the dive.
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RNG had this game won but then decided to give Liquid a lifeline.
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On August 23 2019 13:11 babysimba wrote:
AW is dying way too many times this game lol
Miracle's Storm flashback, mmm w33's madness got into RNG.
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Hoping RNG can win so we get a game 3
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Playing against AW is like playing against tinker. You get frustrated and make mistakes trying to get more advantage.
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when gyro gets satanic liquid's game will get much harder
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Will we see InstaRosh this game :D
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RNG cores are stacked. Liquid does not have total map control but RNG can not push
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Gyro is itemizing really well with those tank items
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On August 23 2019 13:16 babysimba wrote:
Gyro is itemizing really well with those tank items
gyro tankier than tiny
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am i feeling bad today or is this game a tiresome slugfest?
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TL needs to be able to disarm the Gyro.
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On August 23 2019 13:18 Shergal wrote:
am i feeling bad today or is this game a tiresome slugfest?
All AW games are. Cancer hero.
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How low are these BKBs now?
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look at these guys apm, pieliedie got into the main stage on the back of 60 lmao
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On August 23 2019 13:19 IshinShishi wrote:
look at these guys apm, pieliedie got into the main stage on the back of 60 lmao
Sounds about right, if he is really efficient with his mouse clicks. Even starcraft pros have effective apm of low 100s for such a mechanically intensive game.
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I dont see the visual difference between the clone and the real AW, It's the new inmortal colateral effect??
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Have fun going uphill against Liquid.
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AW + Tiny Aghs high ground defense. Wow, that's cancer.
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You can't win against an AW team without 50k networth advantage xD
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AW 25 just seems like poor design to me
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At the very least, OSfrog should remove vision of spark wraiths if he wants to keep the OP damage aspect of it.
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tinker aw techies must be removed from the game period
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mind control: "I feel like throwing today, let's blink into fog"
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look at that, that is so fucking stupid, that is like techie's wet dream for so little time invested
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techies with 1 s cd and tons of physical damage
totally balanced
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Oh god this is what hell looks like.
MKB should be able ot hit towers. that seems like a little nonsense.
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Combined with that stupid bubble
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this Spark had to be reworked, so annoying
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MKB not working against buildings is a dumb relic from dota 1
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Liquid becoming the hateful one at this TI.
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On August 23 2019 13:33 ironcell wrote:
Liquid becoming the hateful one at this TI.
Well, RNG put themselves in a bad spot with their laning/draft combo, so it's really about RNG clawing back a game that they should have been snowballed out of.
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What a torturous defeat. How muhc longer does it take for liquid to close it out? 30 minutes?
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Can RNG Rapier this shit?
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This game can last very long if RNG wants to play pussy too.
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What the actual fuck is this free double damage rune shenanigans?
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On August 23 2019 13:35 Sabu113 wrote:
What a torturous defeat. How muhc longer does it take for liquid to close it out? 30 minutes?
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Can RNG Rapier this shit?
Yes.
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what the hell was that fight, that was so messy from rng
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On August 23 2019 13:34 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 13:33 ironcell wrote:
Liquid becoming the hateful one at this TI. Well, RNG put themselves in a bad spot with their laning/draft combo, so it's really about RNG clawing back a game that they should have been snowballed out of.
I am joking, from the chinese crowd perspective though must feel painful, still if RNG wins the payoff is gonna feel amazing.
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i dont enjoy this kind of doto
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On August 23 2019 13:36 DropBear wrote:
What the actual fuck is this free double damage rune shenanigans?
Arc Warden aghs.
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I want Ench to dominate a creep and send it into the wraiths
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spark wraith needs a rework
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On August 23 2019 13:41 plasmidghost wrote:
I want Ench to dominate a creep and send it into the wraiths
Feel like there have been less creep shennanigans this TI than in the past.
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This is why nobody picks Techies. Arc Warden is Techies and an entire additional hero.
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Well, that was a blunder.
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Liquid trying to be too cute with the moves and paid hard for it.
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brother w33, all this time?
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Cmon RNG this is your only chance to chip at a tower.
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On August 23 2019 13:41 plasmidghost wrote:
I want Ench to dominate a creep and send it into the wraiths
Those creep won't even last a second, while AW can replenish those with 2s cd
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So OD Aghs improves his cast range to 750. That's gigantic
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Wards win games. It's so nice to see an small play like this have such an impact.
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On August 23 2019 13:35 Sabu113 wrote:
What a torturous defeat. How muhc longer does it take for liquid to close it out? 30 minutes?
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Can RNG Rapier this shit? Probably too risky,considering Sheepsticks.
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Miracle is not playing very well
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At some point, tiny might even get rapier and play more cancerous dota behind the protection of AW
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ok
I'm having a harder time taking dota seriously with this kind of stuff in the game
that does not feel competitive
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On August 23 2019 13:45 babysimba wrote:
At some point, tiny might even get rapier and play more cancerous dota behind the protection of AW
ODPixel casted that ScaryFace game, right? We've got another 70 minutes to go.
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late game dota is so stupid
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Timbersaw was right about these trees, man, things are deadly.
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On August 23 2019 13:47 Achaian wrote:
ok
I'm having a harder time taking dota seriously with this kind of stuff in the game
that does not feel competitive
It's TI. Your job, as a pro-level player, is to abuse the most cancerous options available.
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stuff like this is not good for dota
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Can tiny throw trees planted from branches? Kuroky needs to start being a gardener for W33 too xD
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On August 23 2019 13:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 13:47 Achaian wrote:
ok
I'm having a harder time taking dota seriously with this kind of stuff in the game
that does not feel competitive It's TI. Your job, as a pro-level player, is to abuse the most cancerous options available.
your response doesn't make sense; he's not blaming the players, he's calling out the game
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Yeah, this game is kinda bad. Don't like these late-game mechanics
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arc warden kinda needs to be removed
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this was a good game and it has turned into a showcase of what's wrong with dota right now
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How these trees do so much, i always tought that tiny'aghs was a nice meme.
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When I saw the patch notes for Tree Volley I thought it was a joke and wouldn't be taken seriously. Oh how horribly wrong I was.
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tiny's current lategame and arc warden are just
so fucking cancerous
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holy shit this game is making dota look like absolute trash, please just end
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Icefrog what is this Dota game you turn into.
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On August 23 2019 13:50 ironcell wrote:
How these trees do so much, i always tought that tiny'aghs was a nice meme.
I mean they're 20% bonus damage Tiny autoattacks with two Burizas
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I mean outdrafting and a late game comp coming online is classic doto
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shouldn't have tuned into liquid RNG match, now I have fucking cancer fml
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Gyro where is your rapier. Man up pls
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i just got stadium 4 eye cancer after watching this game
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NOBODY HAS BUYBACKS NOW. LET'S GO
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On August 23 2019 13:49 IshinShishi wrote:
arc warden kinda needs to be removed
just need to reworked, max Sparks can be plant to 4
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that was fucking stupid
I'm glad I didn't buy any more stuff
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yes cheer to that stupid strat kuro
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that game felt really bad to watch
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On August 23 2019 13:48 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 13:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 13:47 Achaian wrote:
ok
I'm having a harder time taking dota seriously with this kind of stuff in the game
that does not feel competitive It's TI. Your job, as a pro-level player, is to abuse the most cancerous options available. your response doesn't make sense; he's not blaming the players, he's calling out the game
Makes perfect sense. There is always stuff like this in the game. At TI, you abuse it. Icefrog will patch it later.
Also, go watch Mineski-Secret. We're getting great Dota. RNG turned back a game they probably should have lost a lot earlier, so it made the game state strange.
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I am gonna reevaluate Tiny's late game potential.
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Well I think we are going to see more AWs from either EG or Liquid later on, because pros are stubborn in not banning.
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my biggest complaint for icefrog is he still keeps the mechanic that prolongs the game undefinitely and needlessly. you cannot break the highground guarded by warden, tinker, and techies. neither you can spread and farm the map because not even 40k gold advantage can win you the game.
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are tree volleys skill shots? It didnt look like it, which is quite bad to say the least.
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So much hate in this thread, it's incredible... I, for one, enjoyed this game 
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On August 23 2019 13:48 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 13:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 13:47 Achaian wrote:
ok
I'm having a harder time taking dota seriously with this kind of stuff in the game
that does not feel competitive It's TI. Your job, as a pro-level player, is to abuse the most cancerous options available. your response doesn't make sense; he's not blaming the players, he's calling out the game It is up to the players to choose the counters. Just like it is up to them to play to their strengths.
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Let's be honest here, did anyone actually enjoy that game? This seems like the clowniest of Dota i've ever seen.
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"4 years ago lategame was about being safe, now you have to contest rosh"
?????
how do people who have played dota for TEN YEARS say this kind of shit? i have to believe they're just blurting whatever comes out that feels "positive" in some way
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how the fuck are you guys blaming the game for rng not being able to break base when they threw away their map control by diving tier 4s
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On August 23 2019 13:57 Merany wrote:So much hate in this thread, it's incredible... I, for one, enjoyed this game
it's easier to laugh at bullshit when it's convenient for you
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It was a great game. As much as Tree volley is OP, the other team has 6 slotted gyro, ench and OD - thats pretty op aswell
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On August 23 2019 13:58 Danzo wrote:
Let's be honest here, did anyone actually enjoy that game? This seems like the clowniest of Dota i've ever seen.
well, someone do admit to enjoy that game
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Makes me wonder how differently this game would have went if RNG didn't dive Liquid's base. Late game Dota is in an interesting spot with consumable Aghs and what I think is gradual power creep to that period.
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On August 23 2019 13:58 Thetwinmasters wrote:
how the fuck are you guys blaming the game for rng not being able to break base when they threw away their map control by diving tier 4s
nobody is doing that. People are complaining about AW being the uber-techies + NP in one and tiny gibbing entire teams from 1500 range.
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On August 23 2019 13:58 Sif_ wrote:
It was a great game. As much as Tree volley is OP, the other team has 6 slotted gyro, ench and OD - thats pretty op aswell
6 slotted gyro looked completely helpless in the face of insta kill trees that hit for infinity from far away
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On August 23 2019 13:58 Thetwinmasters wrote:
how the fuck are you guys blaming the game for rng not being able to break base when they threw away their map control by diving tier 4s
Lost too many pubs against AW, I think. lol But, TL got to the point of the synergy of the draft and RNG dove T4.
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On August 23 2019 13:57 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 13:48 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 23 2019 13:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 13:47 Achaian wrote:
ok
I'm having a harder time taking dota seriously with this kind of stuff in the game
that does not feel competitive It's TI. Your job, as a pro-level player, is to abuse the most cancerous options available. your response doesn't make sense; he's not blaming the players, he's calling out the game It is up to the players to choose the counters. Just like it is up to them to play to their strengths.
the original comment was not about the players in the first place
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Is this the best run ever by a team from lower bracket round 1?
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On August 23 2019 13:57 IshinShishi wrote:
are tree volleys skill shots? It didnt look like it, which is quite bad to say the least.
Sorta? It's a channeled, ground-targeted AoE, and the trees have travel time, so you have to predict where the target will be a little, and it's possible to move/Force Staff out of the area. But the area's pretty big, and the tree projectile speed is pretty fast, so it's definitely not a hard skill shot.
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Who is this handsome translator?
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On August 23 2019 14:00 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 13:58 Thetwinmasters wrote:
how the fuck are you guys blaming the game for rng not being able to break base when they threw away their map control by diving tier 4s nobody is doing that. People are complaining about AW being the uber-techies + NP in one and tiny gibbing entire teams from 1500 range.
RNG picked OD. I'm going to assume if it wasn't for OD TL would have at the very least not picked AW. But that OD pick makes it so hard to play any of the normal agi/str carries if you can't make sure to win lanes. Yeah Arc warden is also agi hero but he has lots of int and tends to buy int items so he doesn't just get insta-deleted by OD ult
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On August 23 2019 14:04 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 14:00 Achaian wrote:On August 23 2019 13:58 Thetwinmasters wrote:
how the fuck are you guys blaming the game for rng not being able to break base when they threw away their map control by diving tier 4s nobody is doing that. People are complaining about AW being the uber-techies + NP in one and tiny gibbing entire teams from 1500 range. RNG picked OD. I'm going to assume if it wasn't for OD TL would have at the very least not picked AW. But that OD pick makes it so hard to play any of the normal agi/str carries if you can't make sure to win lanes. Yeah Arc warden is also agi hero but he has lots of int and tends to buy int items so he doesn't just get insta-deleted by OD ult
and yet liquid got away with it for 40 minutes with zero saves in that duration. OD is still a range creep with a fancy skin when BKB is active.
is OD OP compared with most other carries? I'm not a carry player, so I'll just say sure for you. But this AW 25 and tiny aghs stuff is broken.spark wraith goes from a minor nuisance to a game ruiner when AW hits 25. Tiny aghs underwhelms without crits and overperforms with them. They are not well balanced and possibly not well designed.
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Remind me what happened post ti5? It was when RTZ called out Kuroky after they bombed or something.
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if infamous win this, i imagine mafia and drug cartel will invade their house for "little" retribution
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How much Secret wants to win is dictated by their first phase bans.
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Say Infamous first picks WK, what do Secret pick to counter?
Fuck, never mind lol
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Ench, Alch & WK first bans from Secret. Puppey wants to win today.
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WK banned, wisp not banned. WIll someone whip out the wisp?
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I always love the silencer pick. Only CIS and SA have the balls to pick it on the regular.
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On August 23 2019 14:26 Achaian wrote:
WK banned, wisp not banned. WIll someone whip out the wisp?
If you're willing to play it Carry, you want to save it for late in the draft and a "cheap" win.
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On August 23 2019 14:31 Achaian wrote:
I always love the silencer pick. Only CIS and SA have the balls to pick it on the regular.
Silencer is fun, but with so many dispels for it, the hero falls off pretty hard.
Edit: if Silencer had a stun, the hero would be a brilliant pos 4. Late-game Carry Items are scary on him too.
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Let through both Void+Tiny and SD+Mirana. Looking rough for Inf.
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On August 23 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 14:26 Achaian wrote:
WK banned, wisp not banned. WIll someone whip out the wisp? If you're willing to play it Carry, you want to save it for late in the draft and a "cheap" win.
It seemed OG was doing that, but then they 1st phased it against NB. Not sure what teams would do as a counter if someone straight up opened with it
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Tiny Void is confirmed top priority for everyone at this point
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Not liking the PL pick. I think Infamous is just going to get run over way before he comes online
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Poll: Do you trust MidOne?You've watched Secret right? (5) 63% Turtles (2) 25% Absolutely! (1) 13% 8 total votes Your vote: Do you trust MidOne? (Vote): Absolutely!
(Vote): You've watched Secret right?
(Vote): Turtles
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Infamous playing Hero Bingo. We thank you for that!
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RIKI MARU!
I'm calling it, infamous winning the whole thing
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holy shit LETS GO INFAMOUS
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Well, I hope it succeeds! Always nice to see pocket strats
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I have no idea what position any of these Secret heroes are going to be in.
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I trust Gunnar when it comes to what's good mid
e: Purge: "you can use Tiny Void to get tons of kills in the early-mid game, but Infamous scales so much!"
Just shoot my face
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What hero hasn't been picked yet?
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On August 23 2019 14:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:
What hero hasn't been picked yet?
Clock, DS, KotL, Ursa.
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On August 23 2019 14:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:
What hero hasn't been picked yet?
clock and kotol
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Go go infamous hwaiting.
Smoke screen could be good against void.
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"Capitalist Plz Soak Me", lol
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Puppey banning heroes Infamous are good at... Aui and Pieliedie should take notes for next year. :/
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riki mid ... omg chris luck do have balls
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On August 23 2019 14:38 SeethingErmine wrote:
Puppey banning heroes Infamous are good at... Aui and Pieliedie should take notes for next year. :/
One problem too many teams get stuck into is not trusting their analysis coming into the match. If the WK is working, just prevent it. Bulba gets flak for being stoic in this stuff, but it's part of why they always place high in the tournament.
Things change when you get deep into the tournament, as the counter-counter meta gets moving quickly, but we're not there yet.
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midone ES? wht is puppey smoking
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Please please please stop spamming that emote.
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in awe at secret's immediate adjustment to mid riki before even seeing it picked by chris luck
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the thing is, when riki hits 15 and gets the smoke screen cooldown reduction he absolutely dumpsters most everyone
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Gotta credit Infamous for first banning Yapzor's Rubick. They know the real carry of Secret.
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TL vs EG later today. Nice, the El Classico is back
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Comical moment. Trapped in the ward trap.
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Empowered PL and Riki are running away with the farm
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ah yes, the classic "ward trap your ally to bait the enemy team"
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Insane bait. True geniuses.
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On August 23 2019 14:54 Achaian wrote:
ah yes, the classic "ward trap your ally to bait the enemy team"
The next level plays
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Hector can farm.
Silencer Game play: can win fights before counters to the silence comes online. Secret just has to drag things out until they have ways of dispelling it, then things turn.
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Magnus already going for refresher next, crazy networth
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These guys have no coach, right?
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Agreed. Longer it goes better and better it gets for Secret.
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This is amazing by Infamous
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On August 23 2019 14:59 Achaian wrote:
is it really happening
We've got a Void/Shaker/Tiny vs PL/Riki/Magnus cores. No one knows what is happening.
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Chris Luck is like the most yolo player but holy shit it works.
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This magnus performance is something. It is really hard to shine as offlaner these days
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This Hector kid is pretty good, they really can't afford to give him this much space.
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Puppey is having TI flashbacks
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ooooooohkay that was a little too deep
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Hector is actually insane
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Riki is like a Nyx with Damage.
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Ah another undisciplined dive.
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questionable use of wards
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Getting back from breakfast, seeing a Riki ... wtf?
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On August 23 2019 15:06 Geisterkarle wrote:
Getting back from breakfast, seeing a Riki ... wtf?
Welcome to the rest of us watching.
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I feel like, if Infamous was the kind of team to not go for that, they wouldn't be the kind of team to be in the position to go for that in the first place
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Infamous just seems like they really don't care about cooldowns, for better or worse.
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Infamous is hitting their timings, but the counter ones are coming. They need to win the next 2 fights to end this.
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On August 23 2019 15:06 Geisterkarle wrote:
Getting back from breakfast, seeing a Riki ... wtf?
Yeah, what the hell, I thought he was supposed to be invisible!
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Volley''s gonna get nerfed hard after TI
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Secret makes gold leads mean nothing when they're at their peak.
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Man dota ever since last year has been "just die, and buyback. no strategy matters, just buyback and win"
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And the counter-timings have hit.
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On August 23 2019 15:12 plasmidghost wrote:
Volley''s gonna get nerfed hard after TI
Oh yeah.
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Infamous lost the game because of the shrine Secret shouldn't have.
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Lol Secret was so lucky. Midone stunned magnus coincidentally as soon as he blinked in.
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If not for Infamous' dive on t4, that shrine wouldnt exist and this fight never goes down this way. Teams NEED TO STOP OVEREXTENDING, GET RAX/SHRINE AND GO HOME WTF
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Greedy greedy nisha
Also can we talk about how many quality arrows we're getting this TI?
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Wisper redeemed himself with the RP on both BKBs
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it doesn't really matter, secret fought without chrono - infamous need some sort of lucky break on the level of magnus getting stunned earlier to bring this back
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On August 23 2019 15:16 Sabu113 wrote:
Greedy greedy nisha
Also can we talk about how many quality arrows we're getting this TI?
Get all of the top players together, and suddenly Mirana looks powerful. haha
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On August 23 2019 15:13 Sif_ wrote:
If not for Infamous' dive on t4, that shrine wouldnt exist and this fight never goes down this way. Teams NEED TO STOP OVEREXTENDING, GET RAX/SHRINE AND GO HOME WTF
The people are tired of farmfests.
Infamous gives the people what they want.
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incredible RP but where was the damage?
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To be honest I don't think Void Tiny can be beaten lategame, period. Or rather, you can't draft a better lategame. You have to rely on them making mistakes or just being a worse team.
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PL getting caught on the edge of the Chrono was so unfortunate
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On August 23 2019 15:22 Shergal wrote:
To be honest I don't think Void Tiny can be beaten lategame, period. Or rather, you can't draft a better lategame. You have to rely on them making mistakes or just being a worse team.
It's been incredibly potent since LGD rolled it out in Group Stage.
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Divine me. That's what I need. Divine Doompush for t4s
blargh fun fights though
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secret isnt playing that well tbh, mid shaker with items just wrecks their team comp
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These games make me really hate Tiny
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On August 23 2019 15:26 plasmidghost wrote:
These games make me really hate Tiny
The sudden Tiny Meta is interesting.
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Infamous's Super Fan is hyped.
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Nisha literally shrugs off Infamous' position 2
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alright well this game got boring
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This is a 25 minute death animation.
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Zai bought a battlefury....
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This game has been boring since 20 minutes at least. Sad stuff. But sadly I can understand Secret playing it safe.
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Why didn't shaman buyback???? He sat on his buyback for 30 seconds and only did it once phantom lancer died
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That game was a choke hold for way too long. not classy =/
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Hope Infamous pick Tiny and give Secret a taste of their own medicine
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pick good heroes win game
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This game should be over 15 minutes ago. Secret just play so scared for some reason.
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Another game where an undisciplined base dive in the midgame feels like a turning point. Don't know what's up with teams lately but they're so bloodthirsty and throwing away safe leads.
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On August 23 2019 15:38 ChickenDieAlive wrote:
This game should be over 15 minutes ago. Secret just play so scared for some reason.
You clearly missed the Mineski series yesterday.
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I wonder if hector diving the t4s to get puppey didnt cost them this game, I feel like with just a little bit of luck it was theirs.
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On August 23 2019 15:38 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Another game where an undisciplined base dive in the midgame feels like a turning point. Don't know what's up with teams lately but they're so bloodthirsty and throwing away safe leads.
Too much emotion. The "dead faced" teams tend not to overextend and it wins crucial games. Passion is great, but passion throws you games if you're diving T4s.
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The hector dive didn’t matter. They weren’t doing enough
Secrets draft was worlds better especially when ti games drag on
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Suspicious Kyle is suspicious of Rich.
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On August 23 2019 15:41 Sabu113 wrote:
The hector dive didn’t matter. They weren’t doing enough
Secrets draft was worlds better especially when ti games drag on
It obviously mattered, they were in a winning position and after that it was secret dominating, hector was gigantic at that point, I'm sure a better team could've piloted that position into a win
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kyle is correct about kindergarten dota
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I believe in the boys from Peru to even up the series!
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Theorycrafting here: Say Secret picks Tiny. Isn't Pugna a good counter at any point in the game? Early game, you push really quick and limit the space for Tiny to farm, and late game, you can decrepify to avoid the damage from tree volley, right?
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On August 23 2019 15:56 plasmidghost wrote:
Theorycrafting here: Say Secret picks Tiny. Isn't Pugna a good counter at any point in the game? Early game, you push really quick and limit the space for Tiny to farm, and late game, you can decrepify to avoid the damage from tree volley, right?
There is only a minor issue: tiny can buy blink and blow you up the normal way because you are playing Pugna. With such logic you might as well pick timber so that tiny has no trees to cut.
EDIT: Secret decided to just pick void-tiny rest of the tournament?
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On August 23 2019 15:58 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 15:56 plasmidghost wrote:
Theorycrafting here: Say Secret picks Tiny. Isn't Pugna a good counter at any point in the game? Early game, you push really quick and limit the space for Tiny to farm, and late game, you can decrepify to avoid the damage from tree volley, right? There is only a minor issue: tiny can buy blink and blow you up the normal way because you are playing Pugna. With such logic you might as well pick timber so that tiny has no trees to cut. EDIT: Secret decided to just pick void-tiny rest of the tournament?
actually should pick timber and wreck the forest, whats the respawn time?
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On August 23 2019 15:58 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 15:56 plasmidghost wrote:
Theorycrafting here: Say Secret picks Tiny. Isn't Pugna a good counter at any point in the game? Early game, you push really quick and limit the space for Tiny to farm, and late game, you can decrepify to avoid the damage from tree volley, right? There is only a minor issue: tiny can buy blink and blow you up the normal way because you are playing Pugna. With such logic you might as well pick timber so that tiny has no trees to cut. EDIT: Secret decided to just pick void-tiny rest of the tournament?
Ah, okay, yeah, that does make sense, since every Tiny goes blink first
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On August 23 2019 16:00 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 15:58 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 15:56 plasmidghost wrote:
Theorycrafting here: Say Secret picks Tiny. Isn't Pugna a good counter at any point in the game? Early game, you push really quick and limit the space for Tiny to farm, and late game, you can decrepify to avoid the damage from tree volley, right? There is only a minor issue: tiny can buy blink and blow you up the normal way because you are playing Pugna. With such logic you might as well pick timber so that tiny has no trees to cut. EDIT: Secret decided to just pick void-tiny rest of the tournament? actually should pick timber and wreck the forest, whats the respawn time?
Few minutes iirc, unless treant protector with that silly talent is in the game.
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Glad Infamous got SD and Doom here, they desperately needed some defensive heroes last game and Doom is, as just mentioned, a great counter
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Doom. O.o Haven't seen that one yet but I didn't catch all games and barely any group games.
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Secret is saying "can people actually beat this? Let's just keep testing" I'm almost sure they would try it against VG in game 1, but VG probably has the exact same view on the current meta and therefore neither team will get both.
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purple draft vs red draft
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On August 23 2019 16:02 plasmidghost wrote:
Glad Infamous got SD and Doom here, they desperately needed some defensive heroes last game and Doom is, as just mentioned, a great counter
SD matters more because it normally hard counters Hector's hero. Part of the WK meta is that SD normally isn't huge against WK because of reincarnate.
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On August 23 2019 16:05 Shergal wrote:
Secret is saying "can people actually beat this? Let's just keep testing" I'm almost sure they would try it against VG in game 1, but VG probably has the exact same view on the current meta and therefore neither team will get both.
The only game i saw tiny-void lose was VG's copy of LGD's tiny-void-magnus-ogre draft against OG and there most agree that VG would win if not for Paparazi throwing.
EDIT: Oh, Yapzor enigma, 2-0.
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only 4 unpick heroes in the whole grand final of TI4
new record?
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Feel Inf is far more exciting than Secret. Secret is only fun to watch because their games are so scrappy, I feel.
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We need more Sniper so the "hoho haha" meta is back.
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Infamous is still behind, but I honestly thought they would be a lot more behind at this point
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This is looking really good for Secret... Tiny & Void are doing great.
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Well, that's probably game
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Infamous had a great tournament, like the TNC run back at TI6. It's great to see a SA team being able to hold its own against top teams finally. Hope it makes for some great future tournaments.
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This is what Inf looks like when you don't let them play on their best heroes with their one really good style. Puppey still winning games with drafts after all these years.
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Getting late so ahead of watching noobfromua tomorrow
Poll: Who winsWhoever gets them next round? (2) 33% EG (2) 33% Liquid (1) 17% Turtles (1) 17% 6 total votes Your vote: Who wins (Vote): Liquid
(Vote): EG
(Vote): Whoever gets them next round?
(Vote): Turtles
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Puppey is doing great, lol. Witch Doctor ftw.
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I have yet to see a Doom this game
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On August 23 2019 16:26 plasmidghost wrote:
I have yet to see a Doom this game
there's one
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No Doom and a bad Ravage, yet Infamous still managed to win it. Hope they do better next fight
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Have you noticed how 3 of Secret's heroes have no face?
No face > face
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They doomed Void in that Rosh-engagement.
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Scofield keeps running away when he is dying, you can't run away man, just use everything you got...
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On August 23 2019 16:31 Rufus Dupres wrote:
They doomed Void in that Rosh-engagement.
Ah, I didn't see that
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Inf seems very uncoordinated right now.
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Secret just keeps running into teams that don’t know how to punish their misplays. That’s pretty wild.
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On August 23 2019 16:36 Dracolich70 wrote:
Inf seems very uncoordinated right now.
Likely the inexperience is getting to them.
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I can't tell if they're serious about infamous being so unique or sarcastically commenting on poor decisions and bad planning.
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On August 23 2019 16:37 Sabu113 wrote:
I can't tell if they're serious about infamous being so unique or sarcastically commenting on poor decisions and bad planning.
Both.
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As a note, Secret is really running 4 cores.
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It was a nice run Infamous, goodnight sweet prince.
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Farmed all that time for this
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This is the secret we have been expecting
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On August 23 2019 16:40 plasmidghost wrote:
Naix, despite being first in net worth, just doesn't seem that scary
Hard to fight into Void+Enigma ults, Abaddon save makes it way easier to kite you
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That was...questionable...at the best.
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On August 23 2019 16:42 Sif_ wrote:
This is the secret we have been expecting
This is the Infamous we had expected.
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On August 23 2019 16:42 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I expect VG to ban Tiny.
Both teams will just compete for void-tiny so we will probably get another enchantress every game series.
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Well, props to Infamous for the top 8 finish. Hopefully it invigorates SA Dota in the upcoming season
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no complaint here, secret is definitely much better team than infamous
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Can we talk about these weird weakhugs on secret?
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On August 23 2019 16:36 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 16:36 Dracolich70 wrote:
Inf seems very uncoordinated right now. Likely the inexperience is getting to them. Yeah. And confidence fading.
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On August 23 2019 16:42 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 16:42 Sif_ wrote:
This is the secret we have been expecting This is the Infamous we had expected.
At TI, your 4th best approach has to be world-class. That's what it takes to beat the top teams.
Still, congrats to Infamous, it was a great run.
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These hugs in the Secret booth look as fake as Zuckerberg drinking water.
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From "I've finished farming" to "oops" real quick.
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On August 23 2019 16:44 Sabu113 wrote:
Can we talk about these weird weakhugs on secret?
They've always done this
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On August 23 2019 16:45 nojok wrote:
From "I've finished farming" to "oops" real quick.
Ah, they've been watching the AMs in my games.
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What's next? EG vs TL or something else?
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On August 23 2019 16:46 HolydaKing wrote:
What's next? EG vs TL or something else?
EG vs. TL then allstar game
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On August 23 2019 16:46 HolydaKing wrote:
What's next? EG vs TL or something else?
EG vs TL, but there's probably something in between.
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at the end of the day, there's no dark horse this TI, the top teams you expected to be top 6 did it
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Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions.
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I think the only real upset so far is VP getting eliminated early
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On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions.
There are a lot of people (esp on reddit) who were vocal that SA doesn't deserve a slot at all and the region is garbage and will always be garbage. Infamous getting top 8 is big and shows that the qualifier spot they got to majors/TI the past couple years was worth it.
SA has always had talented players but when it came to LANs they'd often throw and lose because they just weren't experienced enough
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On August 23 2019 16:53 Kishin2 wrote:
where will ti10 be held?
On Mars, sponsored by SpaceX.
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On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions.
Same story can be said about NA, or CIS. Both have only 1 good team and the rest is poop. Keep giving SA their slot and keep giving them a chance. 1 SA team making it to top8 at TI is a HUGE advertisement for the whole of Dota2.
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On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions.
It’s Nahaz being Nahaz. MVP Phoenix made bigger marks and Dota is dead in Korea.
SA did well enough, it’s possibly taken an extra year longer than it should have because of the match fixing bans.
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On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions.
Eh, probably just flexing a bit in the "support the scene!" narrative.
One might also note that MVP.Phoenix and TNC have both done the same thing by getting top 8.
But it is good for the guys involved. It's a life-changing amount of money.
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On August 23 2019 16:55 RubickPicker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions. It’s Nahaz being Nahaz. MVP Phoenix made bigger marks and Dota is dead in Korea. SA did well enough, it’s possibly taken an extra year longer than it should have because of the match fixing bans.
SA > NA right now and forever
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On August 23 2019 16:55 RubickPicker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions. It’s Nahaz being Nahaz. MVP Phoenix made bigger marks and Dota is dead in Korea. SA did well enough, it’s possibly taken an extra year longer than it should have because of the match fixing bans.
Korea and South America aren't comparable at all. The playerbase in SA is and was way bigger than Korea's ever was.
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On August 23 2019 16:53 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions. There are a lot of people (esp on reddit) who were vocal that SA doesn't deserve a slot at all and the region is garbage and will always be garbage. Infamous getting top 8 is big and shows that the qualifier spot they got to majors/TI the past couple years was worth it. SA has always had talented players but when it came to LANs they'd often throw and lose because they just weren't experienced enough
Wasn't really experience. It was willing to do the work to win, not just "play dota". Same issue plagues most of the pub-heavy scenes. Other issue is that esports is rife with scumbags, so it makes growing things somewhat hard.
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Where do we think SA teams finish in the next 2 TIs?
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On August 23 2019 17:00 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 16:53 TomatoBisque wrote:On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions. There are a lot of people (esp on reddit) who were vocal that SA doesn't deserve a slot at all and the region is garbage and will always be garbage. Infamous getting top 8 is big and shows that the qualifier spot they got to majors/TI the past couple years was worth it. SA has always had talented players but when it came to LANs they'd often throw and lose because they just weren't experienced enough Wasn't really experience. It was willing to do the work to win, not just "play dota". Same issue plagues most of the pub-heavy scenes. Other issue is that esports is rife with scumbags, so it makes growing things somewhat hard.
Experience obviously matters, lol
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On August 23 2019 17:01 Sabu113 wrote:
Where do we think SA teams finish in the next 2 TIs?
Hopefully at least one top 6
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On August 23 2019 17:00 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 16:53 TomatoBisque wrote:On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions. There are a lot of people (esp on reddit) who were vocal that SA doesn't deserve a slot at all and the region is garbage and will always be garbage. Infamous getting top 8 is big and shows that the qualifier spot they got to majors/TI the past couple years was worth it. SA has always had talented players but when it came to LANs they'd often throw and lose because they just weren't experienced enough Wasn't really experience. It was willing to do the work to win, not just "play dota". Same issue plagues most of the pub-heavy scenes. Other issue is that esports is rife with scumbags, so it makes growing things somewhat hard.
I know what you mean (since most of the NA scene has the same problem) but I wasn't sure how to word it.
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On August 23 2019 17:01 Sabu113 wrote:
Where do we think SA teams finish in the next 2 TIs?
I would not be surprised if top 16.
EDIT: So, if scenario is right, EG beat Liquid, and VG beat Secret tomorrow.
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I'm ready for the 3G memes again
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On August 23 2019 17:02 plasmidghost wrote:
Come on EG! #BleedBlue
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LGD is slightly favored over OG for tomorrow's BO3 in the bookies. What do you guys think?
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On August 23 2019 17:02 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 17:00 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 16:53 TomatoBisque wrote:On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions. There are a lot of people (esp on reddit) who were vocal that SA doesn't deserve a slot at all and the region is garbage and will always be garbage. Infamous getting top 8 is big and shows that the qualifier spot they got to majors/TI the past couple years was worth it. SA has always had talented players but when it came to LANs they'd often throw and lose because they just weren't experienced enough Wasn't really experience. It was willing to do the work to win, not just "play dota". Same issue plagues most of the pub-heavy scenes. Other issue is that esports is rife with scumbags, so it makes growing things somewhat hard. I know what you mean (since most of the NA scene has the same problem) but I wasn't sure how to word it.
What makes competitive Dota fun to watch is also the same reason the scene is dominated by the same captains. We joked about rOtk coming out of retirement to get his yearly paycheck, but the reality is that the willingness to do the type of work necessary to Win in the competitive scene is a skill set that's apart from hitting creeps.
It comes down to changing a Game into a Job, and it isn't always the most fun.
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On August 23 2019 17:08 Sif_ wrote:
LGD is slightly favored over OG for tomorrow's BO3 in the bookies. What do you guys think?
Sounds right. I expect OG to produce something insane & win, because, at this point, that's just the way this works.
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On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions.
Both Kyle and Nahaz were saying during the season that EU deserves another slot for events. But not sure they directly said who it should be taken from. Obviously now for TI EU did get those slots because they got teams to the top12 in the standings, but during the season the candidates probably would have been NA (they originally had 3 slots) and SA.
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On August 23 2019 17:08 Sif_ wrote:
LGD is slightly favored over OG for tomorrow's BO3 in the bookies. What do you guys think?
I’ve resigned my self to the fact that OG will probably win, sigh.
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SD does counter Alch pretty hard, right?
Anyways, Liquid are forced into Alchemist pick now.
EDIT: Yeah, it already stinks of 1-0 for EG with raw possibility of Alchemist pick.
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I forgot I'm on teamliquid website rooting for EG LOL. EG needs to win this for Incontrol, even though I'm sure none of the Dota 2 team EG even knows who Incontrol is
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On August 23 2019 17:18 Danzo wrote:I forgot I'm on teamliquid website rooting for EG LOL. EG needs to win this for Incontrol, even though I'm sure none of the Dota 2 even knows who Incontrol is
I am fairly certain most of people here do know who he is. The real trick question is does EG know who Incontrol is?
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On August 23 2019 17:19 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 17:18 Danzo wrote:I forgot I'm on teamliquid website rooting for EG LOL. EG needs to win this for Incontrol, even though I'm sure none of the Dota 2 even knows who Incontrol is I am fairly certain most of people here do know who he is. The real trick question is does EG know who Incontrol is?
I meant to say Dota 2 EG team.
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On August 23 2019 16:57 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 16:50 Danzo wrote:
Anyone else finding it weird how everyone is acting towards Infamous? SA Has had talented players for awhile now, and it was cool an SA team get top8. But all this Nahaz, "everyone needs to stfu about SA". I mean for the most part other than Infamous, most of the SA team is pretty much not as talented as other regions. Eh, probably just flexing a bit in the "support the scene!" narrative. One might also note that MVP.Phoenix and TNC have both done the same thing by getting top 8. But it is good for the guys involved. It's a life-changing amount of money. Scythe gaming, Team Zenith and Team Orange too.
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It could have started with first phase SD-Alch for EG, and now we end with Naix picked into Void.
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Why is Miracle wearing a hijab?
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Watch for s4 this game. Liquid banned AND picked the heroes he has been playing the most
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Alright tinker ruins it all, such a big liability.
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I hate playing with tinker on my team. I hate playing vs Tinker. I hate watching Tinker games.
I hope liquid loses with this pick
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egs draft sucks
wraith king > naix
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tinker just randomly loses though yeah
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Kunkka, Cent, Lina...looks like a lot of lockdown for Tinker. They need to hit good Chronos and Ravages so that he can dish out the damage.
EDIT: Nvm, Synd thinks this is a good Tinker game, so I hope he is correct. :D
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EG is so tanky, how does Liquid kill them should it go late? Not to mention SD saves
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shadowblade lina naix bombs = kill tinker
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Why do people like Tide again these days
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On August 23 2019 17:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Why do people like Tide again these days
anchor smash is strong af (and procs with vlads)
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Sumail is gonna stomp this tinker
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Mh...EG looks like they are winning all three lanes. At least CS-wise.
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that tide taunt is still the best taunt in the game
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Liquid running duo lanes instantly brings EG into the game since they are now winning 3 lanes instead of 2.
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getting your stack stolen is the worst feeling as a player
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synderen, kunkka vs tinker is not a good matchup
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Both drafts seem... fine. It's all very Meta. And there's a Tinker. We're going to be here for an hour, aren't we?
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On August 23 2019 17:35 rabidch wrote:
synderen, kunkka vs tinker is not a good matchup
Seriously i am still baffled on how kunkka is stomping this hard.
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letting him get the bounty makes me sad
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Crit making Liquid look bad
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On August 23 2019 17:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Crit making Liquid look bad
More like Liquid themselves are doing very bad.
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On August 23 2019 17:35 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Both drafts seem... fine. It's all very Meta. And there's a Tinker. We're going to be here for an hour, aren't we?
Could be 25min
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Seriously, Liquid got a decent draft, tinker notwithstanding, but then lose all 3 lanes. I get a deja vu.
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On August 23 2019 17:36 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 17:35 rabidch wrote:
synderen, kunkka vs tinker is not a good matchup Seriously i am still baffled on how kunkka is stomping this hard.
kunkka won the block and got a super push into the t1 tower, so w33 only got partial efficiency on the first 2 waves, sumail gets his salve + bracer and easy level 3 soon after, which is really annoying for tinker to deal with because torrent + tidebringer will always deal at least 33% - 40% damage to tinker at llevel 4. tinker can get his camps stolen too, and sumail did that. liquid did not rotate at all for w33 mid
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On August 23 2019 17:40 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 17:36 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 17:35 rabidch wrote:
synderen, kunkka vs tinker is not a good matchup Seriously i am still baffled on how kunkka is stomping this hard. kunkka won the block and got a super push into the t1 tower, so w33 only got partial efficiency on the first 2 waves, sumail gets his salve + bracer and easy level 3 soon after, which is really annoying for tinker to deal with because torrent + tidebringer will always deal at least 33% - 40% damage to tinker at llevel 4. tinker can get his camps stolen too, and sumail did that. liquid did not rotate at all for w33 mid
Nailing it down to 1 sentence: Suma1l is so much better, it's not funny.
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uhh why is the phase midas naix rotating like that
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On August 23 2019 17:42 Thetwinmasters wrote:
uhh why is the phase midas naix rotating like that
Taking hints from LGD.
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On August 23 2019 17:42 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 17:40 rabidch wrote:On August 23 2019 17:36 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 17:35 rabidch wrote:
synderen, kunkka vs tinker is not a good matchup Seriously i am still baffled on how kunkka is stomping this hard. kunkka won the block and got a super push into the t1 tower, so w33 only got partial efficiency on the first 2 waves, sumail gets his salve + bracer and easy level 3 soon after, which is really annoying for tinker to deal with because torrent + tidebringer will always deal at least 33% - 40% damage to tinker at llevel 4. tinker can get his camps stolen too, and sumail did that. liquid did not rotate at all for w33 mid Nailing it down to 1 sentence: Suma1l is so much better, it's not funny.
the lane is just not fun for tinker once kunkka gets x. its so easy for kunkka to life threaten at level 6+ and 2 bracers + bottle = fat ass kunkka means you cant make him budge from mid
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tinker will catch up and kill everything, don't worry
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If it goes to late game, Liquid has the advantage. But will EG allow it to happen? They will be ready to fight much earlier and once Bkb is up on Kunkka, they will not kill him.
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rtz is lagging behind the meta
you play 1 like true 1 in this TI
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Miracle having a really meh game so far
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rtz and miracle both look washed up and nowhere near nisha level
at least right now
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here we go, Tinker already tied top networth, have fun dealing with it
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W33 give TL some last pick game chargers. I give him that
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Welp, we're going to be here for a while.
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To be honest its amazing Liquid got this far in tourney with Miracle playing like this.
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Liquid are playing outright bad to be frank, but their draft can hold them for quite a while.
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Great smoke for EG there, but it feels like this is still stuck in a status quo that isn't changing.
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feel like miracle could've reacted to that in time if he was on point
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Yeah...would have been an easy 4man-chrono if he reacted to this.
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Neither team is looking particularly good
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EG are just too tanky right now
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not enough damage from liquid
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that was not a good chrono...
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i think eg are actually playing well for the most part
rtz walked mid for no reason twice but other than that theyve looked good
well im not sure i agree with sumails itemization but thats another issue
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Don't like Miracle was 1. Miss him as mid, nothing against W33
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Underwhelming from Miracle...the series against RNG wasnt that good as well except for his Gyro backed up by GH-Io.
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How does EG go high ground if W33ha and Miracle are alive?
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greaves lina
interesting stuff
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On August 23 2019 18:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:
How does EG go high ground if W33ha and Miracle are alive?
theyll do it after killing them and their death timers get long enough
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Miracle seems to die often. So that give them a chance
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tinker is not that hard to randomly kill when youre ahead
you just get a shadowblade on lina or kunkka and then find him at some point
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how is he playing tinker with 97 apm
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On August 23 2019 18:04 Zea! wrote:
EG must finish this fast
Tinker will take all farm or get caught out farming dangerous places
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Wow that Courier...that would have been game changing if they would have killed it.
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the courier escape has been the most exciting part of this game
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This game is too tense, no idea how EG dies but no idea how they catch w33
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Kuroky with the 5-hero 6 slotted drafting approach?
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if either team doesn't make some big mistake, we'll be here for a while
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blew all the ults for only naix
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So how do you kill the Tinker? Orchid?
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On August 23 2019 18:09 Ufnal wrote:
So how do you kill the Tinker? Orchid?
Hex + stuns.
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Time for the Centaur aghs refresher and the whole team just runs over the trees and hunts for Tinker
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laguna blading pipe tide just seems like a mistake
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miracle redemption chrono
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cr1t was supposed to bb instantly i think
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they don't have the heroes to deal with it, was genius last pick by kuroky and ultra cancerous
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eg throw is back on the menu boys
feel like they could've just fought that 3v5
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First good chrono of the game
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I wish Cr1t and Fly BBed way earlier
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when did eg throw last ?
just now
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That's what you get for not picking Alchemist in first phase, Bulba.
EDIT: It was not a throw guys, it was Tinker+Void lategame.
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Honestly just forget Tiny. Void - Void is the real issue here. I wonder if the hero will go ignored for a single game of what's left.
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Wtf...that was such a quick turnaround. From fighting at their own T2 till EGs base. Well played.
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What was EG thinking when they BB one by one to try soloing liquid?
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What was that shit show by EG?
Trickling in one by one after buying back. You’re just gonna get chain-sheeped the whole time
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I think this was an outdraft, I feel Liquid played a lot worse and boom they win
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void still feeling like possibly the best carry hero in the meta
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On August 23 2019 18:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
That's what you get for not picking Alchemist in first phase, Bulba.
EDIT: It was not a throw guys, it was Tinker+Void lategame.
the diebacks were most definitely throws
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EG just played that so awfully near the end
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On August 23 2019 18:15 Shergal wrote:
Honestly just forget Tiny. Void - Void is the real issue here. I wonder if the hero will go ignored for a single game of what's left.
Void is basically a hero with passive multicast on his bashes lol.
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On August 23 2019 18:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
That's what you get for not picking Alchemist in first phase, Bulba.
EDIT: It was not a throw guys, it was Tinker+Void lategame.
EG had to push their advantage at the timer they had, but they really needed more catch and Tinker wards.
At some level, this was a classic Last Pick Victory.
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On August 23 2019 18:15 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I think this was an outdraft, I feel Liquid played a lot worse and boom they win
Those last 3 minutes from EG almost deserved a life long ban from TI, no way liquid played worse.
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EG is the worst drafting top team it seems
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On August 23 2019 18:16 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
That's what you get for not picking Alchemist in first phase, Bulba.
EDIT: It was not a throw guys, it was Tinker+Void lategame. the diebacks were most definitely throws
More like desperation moves. I do agree that if EG used their buybacks properly for hg defense instead of wasting them midway to rescue first kunkka, then centaur etc. etc. game would go longer but it would be the same thing in the end.
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On August 23 2019 18:16 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
That's what you get for not picking Alchemist in first phase, Bulba.
EDIT: It was not a throw guys, it was Tinker+Void lategame. the diebacks were most definitely throws
Can't call it a throw when you're not in the lead.
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On August 23 2019 18:18 Sapaio wrote:
EG is the worst drafting top team it seems
They run out of wrinkles as they get to the later part of the tournaments.
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EG will probably lose next game. They have really fallen off
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kunkka shouldve shadowblade or blink and helped hunt tinker with naix bombs starting earlier i think
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I will give credit to w33 for going bkb right after blink kaya though.
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On August 23 2019 18:18 Sapaio wrote:
EG is the worst drafting top team it seems
yea...
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It is all about timings. EG placed alot of gold into Sumail yet again, with little return.
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Let's see if EG has definetely tilted
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Liquid's run is so weird, shitty group stage, unbeaten in loser bracket and yet it does not feel like they've improved.
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Wait, what the hell is that badass grandma.
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Well that hero is err bit interesting lol.
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this iteration of EG always feels like they are 1-2 unique strategy away from being THE top team, by the end of tournament teams just seem to know how to deal with them
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grandma hero! snapfire is not a good name tho
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On August 23 2019 18:21 nojok wrote:
Liquid's run is so weird, shitty group stage, unbeaten in loser bracket and yet it does not feel like they've improved. As long as you keep winning. OG has been a level above anyone else, but 2 matches and they could be out.
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On August 23 2019 18:20 Dracolich70 wrote:
It is all about timings. EG placed alot of gold into Sumail yet again, with little return.
Tbf it did not look like a good kunkka game, he was picked in the first phase.
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On August 23 2019 18:23 turpentine wrote:
grandma hero! snapfire is not a good name tho
sf2
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Damn, I missed the first match. How did EG lose?
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Has nobody really realized that since the Nisha Void game against EG that Void has won nearly every game it was picked? Void is truly the surprise hero in the playoffs
Edit: every game lol. The only game where Void lost was when Alliance picked it against RNG, and even then it lost because of the Gyro mispick.
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On August 23 2019 18:25 vommy wrote:
Damn, I missed the first match. How did EG lose?
got Tinker'd.
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On August 23 2019 18:26 Damned627 wrote:
Has nobody really realized that since the Nisha Void game against EG that Void has won nearly every game it was picked? Void is truly the surprise hero in the playoffs
It'll get banned by tomorrow. Sometimes, a hero pops up and it takes a couple of days to adjust.
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On August 23 2019 18:26 Zea! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:25 vommy wrote:
Damn, I missed the first match. How did EG lose? got Tinker'd.
got void'd tbh
that double damage triple chrono fight was the nail in the coffin
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Ok, now stop giving away mass team fight heroes without an answer to that EG. Last game the timing window to win the game was there and not taken because naturally EG play slow. So either stop giving away mass team fight heroes or pick them yourselves. That is now 3 games in a row you have had the worse team fight and just lost cuz of it XD
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you just gotta pick voids and tinies and enigmas and shakers n maybe even phoenixes n shit
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i don't even think it's void specifically
look at how liquid/secret winning and lgd yesterday
this meta is way too forgiving of greedy lategame teamfight lineups. if two teams are equally skilled, the stronger lategame teamfight wins the majority of these games
can't punish it properly through early aggression/pushing
only team that kinda bucks this trend is OG tbh. if EG loses I hope OG bodies everyone
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yeah og is the only truly interesting team rn
in drafting at least
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On August 23 2019 18:29 woojaekeem wrote:
i don't even think it's void specifically
look at how liquid/secret winning and lgd yesterday
this meta is way too forgiving of greedy lategame teamfight lineups. if two teams are equally skilled, the stronger lategame teamfight wins the majority of these games
can't punish it properly through early aggression/pushing
only team that kinda bucks this trend is OG tbh. if EG loses I hope OG bodies everyone
But it's not just any lategame. You don't go TB or Medusa or Spectre with the same confidence as Void
e: and when OG lost yesterday, they came begging for that Tiny Void combo. You can't escape it
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On August 23 2019 18:23 uthgard wrote:
this iteration of EG always feels like they are 1-2 unique strategy away from being THE top team, by the end of tournament teams just seem to know how to deal with them
EG doesn't evolve throughout a tournament, and hasn't all season.
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On August 23 2019 18:31 Shergal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:29 woojaekeem wrote:
i don't even think it's void specifically
look at how liquid/secret winning and lgd yesterday
this meta is way too forgiving of greedy lategame teamfight lineups. if two teams are equally skilled, the stronger lategame teamfight wins the majority of these games
can't punish it properly through early aggression/pushing
only team that kinda bucks this trend is OG tbh. if EG loses I hope OG bodies everyone But it's not just any lategame. You don't go TB or Medusa or Spectre with the same confidence as Void
Because all 3 of these are much easier to punish since they do not have a reliable stun.
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On August 23 2019 18:31 Shergal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:29 woojaekeem wrote:
i don't even think it's void specifically
look at how liquid/secret winning and lgd yesterday
this meta is way too forgiving of greedy lategame teamfight lineups. if two teams are equally skilled, the stronger lategame teamfight wins the majority of these games
can't punish it properly through early aggression/pushing
only team that kinda bucks this trend is OG tbh. if EG loses I hope OG bodies everyone But it's not just any lategame. You don't go TB or Medusa or Spectre with the same confidence as Void e: and when OG lost yesterday, they came begging for that Tiny Void combo. You can't escape it
you may be right
i hope void starts getting banned so we can see
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1st ban void lol. Please dont get alch'd
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Good on the Void ban. I bet Liquid gets Tiny
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Why did Liquid ban Ench if they have a first pick?
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Man, I don't want EG to win with cancerous Tiny
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Tiny's 3D model is actually so cool
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On August 23 2019 18:33 plasmidghost wrote:
Man, I don't want EG to win with cancerous Tiny
Fairly certain Tiny had far better performance with Void than without.
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On August 23 2019 18:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
Why did Liquid ban Ench if they have a first pick?
Yep im confused at why any team with first pick would ban bambi,
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On August 23 2019 18:31 Shergal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:29 woojaekeem wrote:
i don't even think it's void specifically
look at how liquid/secret winning and lgd yesterday
this meta is way too forgiving of greedy lategame teamfight lineups. if two teams are equally skilled, the stronger lategame teamfight wins the majority of these games
can't punish it properly through early aggression/pushing
only team that kinda bucks this trend is OG tbh. if EG loses I hope OG bodies everyone But it's not just any lategame. You don't go TB or Medusa or Spectre with the same confidence as Void e: and when OG lost yesterday, they came begging for that Tiny Void combo. You can't escape it
After all of the Mega Creep Comebacks, Void let's you close out games a lot better than other carries. Everyone is adjusting to Megas not meaning too much.
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For christ sake T_T
One hero will never be able to beat is an Alch due to they will shut it down but let the game so long that it doesn't matter because the Alch will be caught up again....
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Oh...Alch on Liquid. 4p1-strat incoming and run them over.
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Void ban lol. But I'm kinda happy he is back on top of meta. Only lost because of Alliance mispick this playoffs.
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Ok EG take two of best hereos. Think Tiny is good vs Alch can hunt him down
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It's okay, SD is one of soft counters to Alchemist, and SD Tiny can nearly blow up Alchemist reliably until point where Alchemist falls off.
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On August 23 2019 18:34 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
Why did Liquid ban Ench if they have a first pick? Yep im confused at why any team with first pick would ban bambi,
See the OG/EG series. Enchantress wins her lane, which lets you rotate either to the mid or safe lane, potentially winning all 3 lanes. Also, Turret Bambi just does work. TL had real problems closing game 2 against RNG because of how strong she is as a front-line tank.
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On August 23 2019 18:34 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
Why did Liquid ban Ench if they have a first pick? Yep im confused at why any team with first pick would ban bambi,
Because they plan on first picking something else or have different playstyle that doesn't revolves around Bambi but about Mindcontrol getting heroes that build auras. If you first pick Bambi then you let enemy get both SD and Elder Titan for example or something like that.
EDIT: That's a really early Timbersaw pick.
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If EG could play earlier tower pusher like bm or Visage it would be nice
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Timber...hm...is that a Sumail hero?
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On August 23 2019 18:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:34 Pandemona wrote:On August 23 2019 18:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
Why did Liquid ban Ench if they have a first pick? Yep im confused at why any team with first pick would ban bambi, See the OG/EG series. Enchantress wins her lane, which lets you rotate either to the mid or safe lane, potentially winning all 3 lanes. Also, Turret Bambi just does work. TL had real problems closing game 2 against RNG because of how strong she is as a front-line tank.
You missed the point: TL had first pick, they had no problems picking her themselves. Unless we are to treat Ench first ban as admittance of inability to play one of the most broken heroes in the patch.
EDIT: The point about SD-ET double pick is valid, but nothing stops you from banning SD or ET instead of Bambi.
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So probably an S4 tiny, Sumail timber, what is left for Rtc to carry on.
I assume Liquid will run Miracle on the Alch and W33 on the ember?
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this timbersaw seems like a huge mistake
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Are EG trying to destroy trees for Tiny to toss or do we see a no aghs tiny
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We are down to Ursa and Kotl unpicked. MC Darkseer incoming!
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On August 23 2019 18:38 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 18:34 Pandemona wrote:On August 23 2019 18:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
Why did Liquid ban Ench if they have a first pick? Yep im confused at why any team with first pick would ban bambi, See the OG/EG series. Enchantress wins her lane, which lets you rotate either to the mid or safe lane, potentially winning all 3 lanes. Also, Turret Bambi just does work. TL had real problems closing game 2 against RNG because of how strong she is as a front-line tank. You missed the point: TL had first pick, they had no problems picking her themselves. Unless we are to treat Ench first ban as admittance of inability to play one of the most broken heroes in the patch. EDIT: The point about SD-ET double pick is valid, but nothing stops you from banning SD or ET instead of Bambi.
Enchantress doesn't fit TL that well as a pos 3, as it puts MC on a hero he can't be super aggressive on.
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i remember DS was strong pre TI but he suddenly disappears
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I don't think EG wins, which given my track record this TI, means we see a game 3
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On August 23 2019 18:41 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:38 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 18:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 18:34 Pandemona wrote:On August 23 2019 18:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
Why did Liquid ban Ench if they have a first pick? Yep im confused at why any team with first pick would ban bambi, See the OG/EG series. Enchantress wins her lane, which lets you rotate either to the mid or safe lane, potentially winning all 3 lanes. Also, Turret Bambi just does work. TL had real problems closing game 2 against RNG because of how strong she is as a front-line tank. You missed the point: TL had first pick, they had no problems picking her themselves. Unless we are to treat Ench first ban as admittance of inability to play one of the most broken heroes in the patch. EDIT: The point about SD-ET double pick is valid, but nothing stops you from banning SD or ET instead of Bambi. Enchantress doesn't fit TL that well as a pos 3, as it puts MC on a hero he can't be super aggressive on.
Last time i checked, DS hardly qualifies for that either.
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armlet deso sounds good here but i dont trust rtz to not go radiance
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On August 23 2019 18:41 Snakesneaks wrote:
i remember DS was strong pre TI but he suddenly disappears
They nerfed Ion Shell to oblivion...
Lifestealer has to go for a fighting build...armlet/deso if he goes radiance, he will be outfarmed this game.
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Last picking naix after all of the new looks Liquid has shown this series is a fine, fine summary of EG's limitations.
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its rly not a bad naix game by any means
going radiance is stupid here though
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rtz has vast hero pool. i know naix is a strong hero, but limiting rtz to naix makes eg too predictable.
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On August 23 2019 18:42 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:41 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 18:38 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 18:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 18:34 Pandemona wrote:On August 23 2019 18:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
Why did Liquid ban Ench if they have a first pick? Yep im confused at why any team with first pick would ban bambi, See the OG/EG series. Enchantress wins her lane, which lets you rotate either to the mid or safe lane, potentially winning all 3 lanes. Also, Turret Bambi just does work. TL had real problems closing game 2 against RNG because of how strong she is as a front-line tank. You missed the point: TL had first pick, they had no problems picking her themselves. Unless we are to treat Ench first ban as admittance of inability to play one of the most broken heroes in the patch. EDIT: The point about SD-ET double pick is valid, but nothing stops you from banning SD or ET instead of Bambi. Enchantress doesn't fit TL that well as a pos 3, as it puts MC on a hero he can't be super aggressive on. Last time i checked, DS hardly qualifies for that either.
I know. I typed that and suddenly DS comes out.
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Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
wow s4 on the Timber...hello!
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W33haa Alchemist...that is unexpected.
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Didn't MC have a good enchantress game.
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On August 23 2019 18:42 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:41 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 18:38 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 18:37 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 23 2019 18:34 Pandemona wrote:On August 23 2019 18:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
Why did Liquid ban Ench if they have a first pick? Yep im confused at why any team with first pick would ban bambi, See the OG/EG series. Enchantress wins her lane, which lets you rotate either to the mid or safe lane, potentially winning all 3 lanes. Also, Turret Bambi just does work. TL had real problems closing game 2 against RNG because of how strong she is as a front-line tank. You missed the point: TL had first pick, they had no problems picking her themselves. Unless we are to treat Ench first ban as admittance of inability to play one of the most broken heroes in the patch. EDIT: The point about SD-ET double pick is valid, but nothing stops you from banning SD or ET instead of Bambi. Enchantress doesn't fit TL that well as a pos 3, as it puts MC on a hero he can't be super aggressive on. Last time i checked, DS hardly qualifies for that either.
DS is definitely MC's hero, falls into SK/Tide/Centaur/Enigma category of initiation heroes that get auras. Enchantress doesn't.
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On August 23 2019 18:43 Snakesneaks wrote:
rtz has vast hero pool. i know naix is a strong hero, but limiting rtz to naix makes eg too predictable.
I feel like Naga would have worked?
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why the fuck did they contest against an ET tri with a timber lmafo
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Good death by Kuroky, he avoids getting a kill streak = he can feed with impunity.
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Imagine having to skill chains because u chasing bounty runes to hard level 1 as timber and you are tri laning...poor S4
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Imaging drafting a timber and then putting him into 3v3 when enemy has ET.
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Fly, that must feel terrible xD
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This game's a fucking disaster
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And 4/4 bounties for the Alch team... nice :D
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RNG rescuing EG in bad situation as usual.
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How could EG win a game against OG?
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On August 23 2019 18:52 fajo wrote:
How could EG win a game against OG?
OG drafted Mortred.
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On August 23 2019 18:52 fajo wrote:
How could EG win a game against OG?
They won lanes with a better draft and snowballed.
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Ok s4 has recovered well. Sumail needs to go big in the next 10 minutes to get blink and echo to keep this Alch at bay while rtc then can somehow get armlet deso and EG have some windows to work with....but achieving this xD
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nah, EG are kinda fucked, Fly is a walking creep
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This is the kind of game that makes teams disband
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eg has 0 timings this game since sumail's blink will be late
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On August 23 2019 18:55 plasmidghost wrote:
This is the kind of game that makes teams disband
they need to
their drafting approach is too conservative
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On August 23 2019 18:55 plasmidghost wrote:
This is the kind of game that makes teams disband
Rtc + ppd reunion?
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Good to see Miracle on a flashy hero
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MC has the highest levels and 2nd in networth. LOL
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The main irony is that w33 was farming under EG's wards the entire time.
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On August 23 2019 18:52 fajo wrote:
How could EG win a game against OG?
OG looked like screwing around in the first game to be honest. They didn't play aggressive at all, didn't shut down RTZ and were just dying left and right. Then next 2 games they were the ones that went all-out aggression and crushed lanes, RTZ was heavily underfarmed both games etc.
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Well S4's Timber is doing well, they can take much better teamfights soon.
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On August 23 2019 18:56 lolfail9001 wrote:
The main irony is that w33 was farming under EG's wards the entire time.
Must be feeling like you see your own doom coming closer and closer.
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On August 23 2019 18:56 woojaekeem wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:55 plasmidghost wrote:
This is the kind of game that makes teams disband they need to their drafting approach is too conservative
Tbh this is what happened to OG pre-Sasufly as well.
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MC is by far the best DS player in the world, he always does so much with that hero.
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at least secret liquid should be a good series
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On August 23 2019 18:58 Damned627 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:56 woojaekeem wrote:On August 23 2019 18:55 plasmidghost wrote:
This is the kind of game that makes teams disband they need to their drafting approach is too conservative Tbh this is what happened to OG pre-Sasufly as well.
well, it has to be either fly or bulba imo
idk
eg is just too uncreative and rigid when push comes to shove against elite teams
their fifth picks rarely have the oomph that they should
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On August 23 2019 18:59 Kishin2 wrote:
at least secret liquid should be a good series
Ain't you writing off VG a tad too early?
Also, what is weird about EG being uncreative? OG of Fly's times were hardly creative to start with.
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This game is still far from over tho. You never know when they can throw. Soul catcher is pretty powerful.
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On August 23 2019 19:00 Zizy wrote:
This game is still far from over tho. You never know when they can throw. Soul catcher is pretty powerful.
This, actually, blowing up Alch is not hard until 6 slots with EG's line-up.
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On August 23 2019 18:59 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:59 Kishin2 wrote:
at least secret liquid should be a good series Ain't you writing off VG a tad too early? Also, what is weird about EG being uncreative? OG of Fly's times were hardly creative to start with.
nah i have a low opinion of vg after yesterday. if secret loses liquid will stomp them.
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Alch already has radi and bkb, RTZ has midas lol
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Nice exponential net worth graph lol. Fucking alch
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On August 23 2019 19:01 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:59 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 18:59 Kishin2 wrote:
at least secret liquid should be a good series Ain't you writing off VG a tad too early? Also, what is weird about EG being uncreative? OG of Fly's times were hardly creative to start with. nah i have a low opinion of vg after yesterday. if secret loses liquid will stomp them.
The only teams so far that deserve high opinion of have not yet played one another.
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On August 23 2019 18:59 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 18:59 Kishin2 wrote:
at least secret liquid should be a good series Ain't you writing off VG a tad too early? Also, what is weird about EG being uncreative? OG of Fly's times were hardly creative to start with.
Pre-TI8 OG would always do their approach. It was always off-Meta until it was suddenly the solution for the Meta.
The Sumail/RTZ EG teams actually run into these issues. When Cr1t was drafting, they were actually more rigid but executed their plans really well. This EG just doesn't have the "juice" to adjust late in the tournament.
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That Disruption by Fly was literally game-losing
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The blink self stun to prevent rage was neat!
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SD is not first pick worthy at the hands of Fly
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That disruption by Fly was awful.. Wouldn't have mattered either way probably.
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surely that was a GH disruption?
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cmon tobi at least dont meme about rtz and cliffs when they're getting rekt
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On August 23 2019 19:04 Stancel wrote:
surely that was a GH disruption?
ya i think? that was why it was a great combo
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Oh yeah, AoE Surge will come out pretty soon. That's always fun with Melee cores.
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On August 23 2019 19:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Oh yeah, AoE Surge will come out pretty soon. That's always fun with Melee cores.
It's level 25 talent now, no?
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man sumail does not look good on tiny...
didn't someone say he hasn't played it in a competitive match in 9 months?
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queue up rapiers or call it
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Yeah, I think that was GH disruption, judging by the replay
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fly must be at 0/10 21 minutes in
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On August 23 2019 19:04 duckii wrote:
That disruption by Fly was awful.. Wouldn't have mattered either way probably.
it was by rubick
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You guys are right of course, it was GH with the disrupt! my bad
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This timber is an absolute trash pick
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On August 23 2019 19:05 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 19:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Oh yeah, AoE Surge will come out pretty soon. That's always fun with Melee cores. It's level 25 talent now, no?
Yes.
Though this game might be over already.
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Somehow Infamous vs Secret game 2 looked closer.
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lets pick timber when every opponent hero can interrupt timberchain
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W33haa already queing up Aghs. Gives Miracle even more mobility in this game.
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must be heartbreaking for EG to leave TI for the 2nd year in a row after losing to OG and then getting dumpestered by Liquid...
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This is such a beautiful display from Liquid!
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EG needs to get rid of Sumail and Bulba. The first requires too much catering to, and the latter lacks ideas.
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On August 23 2019 19:11 Zea! wrote:
must be heartbreaking for EG to leave TI for the 2nd year in a row after losing to OG and then getting dumpestered by Liquid...
Well last year they have been dropping out Liquid out of the tournament. So...consider as even. 
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I really can't point to any overall good performances by EG. Not sure how they even made it this far
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Uninspired and predictable way to go out.
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Sumail's probably going to Secret
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wow today was really anticlimactic, especially considering how awesome yesterday was .
also TI action is over like 5 hours earlier than previous days... come on wow classic isn't live yet, what should I do the rest of the day :p
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On August 23 2019 19:12 Dracolich70 wrote:
EG needs to get rid of Sumail and Bulba. The first requires too much catering to, and the latter lacks ideas.
Kind of agree. Bulbs must go. And RtZ and Sumail have never seemed to get best out of each other. Personally I would keep Sumail
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Kuroky is a monster... prolly best captain in history of Dota.
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Yes!! Let's got Liquid!!
Though, as hyped as I am... I expected more resistance from EG, tbh. Their performance shocked me a bit.
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On August 23 2019 19:15 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Sumail's probably going to Secret
zero chance sumail ever leaves EG
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I predicted 2-1 for Liquid, but I'm ok with this result
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On August 23 2019 19:16 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 19:15 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Sumail's probably going to Secret zero chance sumail ever leaves EG
I expect them to shift anyone that isn't Sumail or RTZ. Together, they make too much money for everyone.
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I think Fly, Cr1t and s4 will leave
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On August 23 2019 19:14 plasmidghost wrote:
I really can't point to any overall good performances by EG. Not sure how they even made it this far
Too many patches this year, the overall level is quite low. You can't play on the edge if you don't know the game perfectly.
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maybe RTZ can find a new team or sth and finally win something big
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We only need a Techies in the Finals to be back in TI5 meta, lol
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Liquid are repeating TI5 VG run, OG are forcing first phase bans for their specific strats, LGD look transcendent like CDEC, a team from region nobody expects anything from makes top 8... are we sure it's a repeat of TI8 or a repeat of TI5?
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On August 23 2019 19:15 h0munkulus wrote:wow today was really anticlimactic, especially considering how awesome yesterday was . also TI action is over like 5 hours earlier than previous days... come on wow classic isn't live yet, what should I do the rest of the day :p
what apparently csgo major starts today as well??? what kind of scheduling is that from valve... I guess it's just the challenger stuff for csgo, but still, come on valve...
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I'd like a LGD vs Liquid final or a LGD vs OG final repeat or OG vs Liquid as well.
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On August 23 2019 19:17 Taf the Ghost wrote:
We only need a Techies in the Finals to be back in TI5 meta, lol
Core wisp is 6.84 techies of this patch.
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On August 23 2019 19:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
Liquid are repeating TI5 VG run, OG are forcing first phase bans for their specific strats, LGD look transcendent like CDEC, a team from region nobody expects anything from makes top 8... are we sure it's a repeat of TI8 or a repeat of TI5?
Good point on the VG TI5 Run. Some location in the bracket, as well, lol.
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On August 23 2019 19:19 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 19:17 Taf the Ghost wrote:
We only need a Techies in the Finals to be back in TI5 meta, lol Core wisp is 6.84 techies of this patch.
OG are going to repeat then, lol.
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The teams I predicted and wanted to win went 0-6. I regret staying up for this lol
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I had hoped for OG vs EG. Now I hope for TL really showing some nice drafts and plays to day. Wouldn't say I like the tinker but respect the strategy
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I am looking for those people that were saying how W33ha is HUGE DOWNGRADE compared to Matu.
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On August 23 2019 19:22 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I am looking for those people that were saying how W33ha is HUGE DOWNGRADE compared to Matu.
never understood this hate... he's one hell of a player (TI finalist and major winner).
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To me personally Cr1t seems to be the weak link in EG. Too many mistakes for a captain.
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On August 23 2019 19:23 Skillver wrote:
To me personally Cr1t seems to be the weak link in EG. Too many mistakes for a captain.
fly is the captain not cr1t
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On August 23 2019 19:23 Skillver wrote:
To me personally Cr1t seems to be the weak link in EG. Too many mistakes for a captain.
Luckily, he is not the Captain of this Team but fly.
And saying Cr1t is the weak link of this team is really, really questionable.
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Well, the only person left in the tourney that I want to cheer for is w33, so I guess I'm on the Liquid lower bracket bandwagon lol
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On August 23 2019 19:23 Zea! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 19:22 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I am looking for those people that were saying how W33ha is HUGE DOWNGRADE compared to Matu. never understood this hate... he's one hell of a player (TI finalist and major winner).
People are just dumb, that's all. They weren't hating, they actually think Matu is much better, even if it was true sometimes you just need a change, a fresh start with new teammate that brings his own hero pool to your team and build a different strategies around him that will force your opponents to adapt differently than to what they used to against old Liquid etc.
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og 2-1 lgd, secret 2-0 vg, liquid 2-1 secret
only question is whether it'll be liquid or lgd in gf vs og
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On August 23 2019 19:23 Skillver wrote:
To me personally Cr1t seems to be the weak link in EG. Too many mistakes for a captain.
Wut?
Cr1t is one that often carries the EG when everybody else have a bad game. The real problem for EG lies in RTZ and Sumail being the complete opposites of one another(one wants to afk farm while other is overly aggressive) and them playing way to safe when have a huge lead instead of pressing the advantage. Nothing to do with Cr1t.
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On August 23 2019 19:28 Kishin2 wrote:
og 2-1 lgd, secret 2-0 vg, liquid 2-1 secret
only question is whether it'll be liquid or lgd in gf vs og
I really don't trust the current state of Secret to beat VG. Though Fade/Yang could still turn into pumpkins, as they did last year.
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I think EG got problems in their drafts as well... they always look so stagnating and predictable you never have a choice that makes you think "what a stroke of genius"
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On August 23 2019 19:29 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 19:23 Skillver wrote:
To me personally Cr1t seems to be the weak link in EG. Too many mistakes for a captain. Wut? Cr1t is one that often carries the EG when everybody else have a bad game. The real problem for EG lies in RTZ and Sumail being the complete opposites of one another(one wants to afk farm while other is overly aggressive) and them playing way to safe when have a huge lead instead of pressing the advantage. Nothing to do with Cr1t. Yeah, RTZ and Sumail don't mix well, and it was always an issue, they have never truly solved to bring out the best in both at the same time.
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Actually, should I root for China to win in China? If I had to predict someone winning, I would bet on LGD
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On August 23 2019 19:32 Zea! wrote:
I think EG got problems in their drafts as well... they always look so stagnating and predictable you never have a choice that makes you think "what a stroke of genius" They have never been known for innovation, outside a few moments when Maelk had his concept drafts. But I also suspect it is due to trying to a square peg into a hole, due to the play style of individual players.
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ggs
Let’s go liquid now, liquid LGD or liquid VG finals would be hype
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Man, it really must suck to be Tims and Suma1l in this match.
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On August 23 2019 19:35 plasmidghost wrote:
Actually, should I root for China to win in China? If I had to predict someone winning, I would bet on LGD
LGD has a 33% chance of winning. VG has something like a 5% chance.
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going 0-2 into playing an all-star match is pretty messed up
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On August 23 2019 19:36 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 19:32 Zea! wrote:
I think EG got problems in their drafts as well... they always look so stagnating and predictable you never have a choice that makes you think "what a stroke of genius" They have never been known for innovation, outside a few moments when Maelk had his concept drafts. But I also suspect it is due to trying to a square peg into a hole, due to the play style of individual players.
ppd even said trying to draft with a RTZ/Sumail dual core was a problem, though he thought he almost got there before RTZ bailed.
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On August 23 2019 19:39 Kishin2 wrote:
going 0-2 into playing an all-star match is pretty messed up
I would have all-star matches at the beginning of the day just to avoid this scenario
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this is the part of ti that nobody wants or cares about
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I'm worried that losing TI three years in a row would be awful for the Chinese scene, so please win LGD!
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On August 23 2019 19:40 Shergal wrote:
this is the part of ti that nobody wants or cares about
At least this is ARDM at last so it can get fun.
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On August 23 2019 19:40 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 19:39 Kishin2 wrote:
going 0-2 into playing an all-star match is pretty messed up I would have all-star matches at the beginning of the day just to avoid this scenario
that can't work because they need to prepare for the matches
wonder what they'll reveal if anything this all-star match
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On August 23 2019 19:41 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 19:40 plasmidghost wrote:On August 23 2019 19:39 Kishin2 wrote:
going 0-2 into playing an all-star match is pretty messed up I would have all-star matches at the beginning of the day just to avoid this scenario that can't work because they need to prepare for the matches wonder what they'll reveal if anything this all-star match
True, hmm, I really don't know if there is a perfect solution for this. Looks like this is the best that we have
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On August 23 2019 19:41 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm worried that losing TI three years in a row would be awful for the Chinese scene, so please win LGD!
Given the way they're playing, LGD really does look like the favorite. But, well, OG might happen.
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On August 23 2019 19:47 plasmidghost wrote:
10 new heroes?
Probably at least a few.
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Or not. Someone randomed Techies.
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Players plotting to finish this match in < 10 minutes.
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On August 23 2019 19:51 Elurie wrote:
Players plotting to finish this match in < 10 minutes.
No joke.
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ramzes taking this very seriously... LOL
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This is not very entertaining they are not even playing dota. Just fighting for the luls but whats the point.
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I only watch these in the hopes that we get a surprise reveal of a new hero
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this mode would be a lot more interesting if everyone started off max level with some items
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Maybe seems to be the most useless of all :D
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The All-stars match really needs to be either ability draft, all random deathmatch or something actually fun. I can't think of calling this anything else than a waste of time for these players.
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On August 23 2019 20:06 Latham wrote:
The All-stars match really needs to be either ability draft, all random deathmatch or something actually fun. I can't think of calling this anything else than a waste of time for these players.
This match was ARDM, you know that? Players simply don't give a fuck, so no matter what you give them, it's not going to work well at TI. Maybe if you give all stars match $1kk prize pool, players would start caring.
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I honestly think, if you really have to have an all-star, it should be the opening event of the tournament.
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On August 23 2019 20:08 Shergal wrote:
I honestly think, if you really have to have an all-star, it should be the opening event of the tournament.
I honestly think if you really have to have an all-star it has to have money in it.
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Ye its hard to care when there is nothing on the line.
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Oh, i see, so the real reward for it is not having to eat cheese.
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Whatever happened to the old 1v1 matches? They might be more fun than all the recent all stars match.
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On August 23 2019 20:08 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 20:08 Shergal wrote:
I honestly think, if you really have to have an all-star, it should be the opening event of the tournament. I honestly think if you really have to have an all-star it has to have money in it.
They tried that once, people complained about the "tryharding" because the game ended up being a basic stomp
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On August 23 2019 20:15 Shergal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 20:08 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 20:08 Shergal wrote:
I honestly think, if you really have to have an all-star, it should be the opening event of the tournament. I honestly think if you really have to have an all-star it has to have money in it. They tried that once, people complained about the "tryharding" because the game ended up being a basic stomp
Conclusion: remove all-star entirely, nobody has any positive feeling about it at this point.
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On August 23 2019 20:15 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 20:15 Shergal wrote:On August 23 2019 20:08 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 20:08 Shergal wrote:
I honestly think, if you really have to have an all-star, it should be the opening event of the tournament. I honestly think if you really have to have an all-star it has to have money in it. They tried that once, people complained about the "tryharding" because the game ended up being a basic stomp Conclusion: remove all-star entirely, nobody has any positive feeling about it at this point.
Only good all-star match I can think of is TI4's where they revealed Techies or maybe TI5's with the 10v10 with the fans and that guy who called himself 420 Booty Wizard
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On August 23 2019 20:17 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 20:15 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 20:15 Shergal wrote:On August 23 2019 20:08 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 23 2019 20:08 Shergal wrote:
I honestly think, if you really have to have an all-star, it should be the opening event of the tournament. I honestly think if you really have to have an all-star it has to have money in it. They tried that once, people complained about the "tryharding" because the game ended up being a basic stomp Conclusion: remove all-star entirely, nobody has any positive feeling about it at this point. Only good all-star match I can think of is TI4's where they revealed Techies or maybe TI5's with the 10v10 with the fans and that guy who called himself 420 Booty Wizard
The 10 vs 10 with fans was pretty good.
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what a waste of time, at least announce something after these useless matches lol
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The problem is that Dota doesn't really lend itself to these sort of goofy casual matches. It takes too long to gain the experience and items necessary to even do cool shit in Dota, and everything you do directly impedes the other team from doing stuff unlike in other sports where there is a constant dynamic between opponents
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Give the "all stars match" to the teams that failed to make it out of the group stage. But mix up the players for each side.
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Why keep using Tiny as midcarry? The effect is not so great. High output damage heroes sound better in this meta.
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On August 23 2019 20:53 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Why keep using Tiny as midcarry? The effect is not so great. High output damage heroes sound better in this meta.
Because tiny in this patch is a high damage output carry. The issue is that there are a total of 3 heroes in this game that can enable his high damage output: void, enigma and tide (and a good amount of RNG required). Don't ask me why EG never picked any of those 3 with their Tiny picks when other 4 teams in top 6 run this strat and the other one runs a variation on it without Tiny.
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At this point, world peace seems more likely than EG not falling apart when it matters.
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Not surprises by the result tbh. Also Liquid gaining crazy momentum might end up a possible top 3
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On August 23 2019 20:53 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Why keep using Tiny as midcarry? The effect is not so great. High output damage heroes sound better in this meta.
OG been owning with mid tiny. So it just depends on execution really
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What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory
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On August 23 2019 21:18 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 20:53 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Why keep using Tiny as midcarry? The effect is not so great. High output damage heroes sound better in this meta. OG been owning with mid tiny. So it just depends on execution really
Yeah I was gonna say, have you watched Topson on TIny? 
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On August 23 2019 21:59 MetalMercury wrote:
What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory
Yeah I'm between Liquid and LGD now. Liquid winning would be such a crazy story, full lower bracket run.
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On August 23 2019 23:17 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 21:59 MetalMercury wrote:
What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory Yeah I'm between Liquid and LGD now. Liquid winning would be such a crazy story, full lower bracket run.
I really hate Liquid and OG, so I guess I'm all in on the LGD train!
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On August 23 2019 23:35 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 23:17 emperorchampion wrote:On August 23 2019 21:59 MetalMercury wrote:
What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory Yeah I'm between Liquid and LGD now. Liquid winning would be such a crazy story, full lower bracket run. I really hate Liquid and OG, so I guess I'm all in on the LGD train!
What makes you hate them, if I might ask?
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LGD deserves this TI. They were so close last year.
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On August 24 2019 00:07 vommy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 23:35 MetalMercury wrote:On August 23 2019 23:17 emperorchampion wrote:On August 23 2019 21:59 MetalMercury wrote:
What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory Yeah I'm between Liquid and LGD now. Liquid winning would be such a crazy story, full lower bracket run. I really hate Liquid and OG, so I guess I'm all in on the LGD train! What makes you hate them, if I might ask?
I guess I'm more "meh" on Liquid, but they play pretty boring Dota imo. As for OG, I hate their fans. Not every fan, but their general fans are pretty annoying (just check the front page of reddit after OG plays, it's literally like 20 top posts with their pictures).
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On August 24 2019 00:36 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 00:07 vommy wrote:On August 23 2019 23:35 MetalMercury wrote:On August 23 2019 23:17 emperorchampion wrote:On August 23 2019 21:59 MetalMercury wrote:
What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory Yeah I'm between Liquid and LGD now. Liquid winning would be such a crazy story, full lower bracket run. I really hate Liquid and OG, so I guess I'm all in on the LGD train! What makes you hate them, if I might ask? I guess I'm more "meh" on Liquid, but they play pretty boring Dota imo. As for OG, I hate their fans. Not every fan, but their general fans are pretty annoying (just check the front page of reddit after OG plays, it's literally like 20 top posts with their pictures).
OG is just so cocky in-game it would be immensely satisfying to watch them get crushed by any team. My dream is that OG are planting their flags and spamming voice lines and all that, and the other team just rolls over them like they're 2k scrubs and totally ignoring all their antics.
Unfortunately, I've resigned my self to the fact that OG will probably win this TI.
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On August 23 2019 19:32 Zea! wrote:
I think EG got problems in their drafts as well... they always look so stagnating and predictable you never have a choice that makes you think "what a stroke of genius"
Hot take bulbas drafting has been a problem for years
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On August 24 2019 02:37 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 00:36 MetalMercury wrote:On August 24 2019 00:07 vommy wrote:On August 23 2019 23:35 MetalMercury wrote:On August 23 2019 23:17 emperorchampion wrote:On August 23 2019 21:59 MetalMercury wrote:
What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory Yeah I'm between Liquid and LGD now. Liquid winning would be such a crazy story, full lower bracket run. I really hate Liquid and OG, so I guess I'm all in on the LGD train! What makes you hate them, if I might ask? I guess I'm more "meh" on Liquid, but they play pretty boring Dota imo. As for OG, I hate their fans. Not every fan, but their general fans are pretty annoying (just check the front page of reddit after OG plays, it's literally like 20 top posts with their pictures). OG is just so cocky in-game it would be immensely satisfying to watch them get crushed by any team. My dream is that OG are planting their flags and spamming voice lines and all that, and the other team just rolls over them like they're 2k scrubs and totally ignoring all their antics. Unfortunately, I've resigned my self to the fact that OG will probably win this TI.
Hoping you are right and OG takes it all.
Want to see a DS and IO, but think teams will ban IO against them.
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On August 24 2019 02:37 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 00:36 MetalMercury wrote:On August 24 2019 00:07 vommy wrote:On August 23 2019 23:35 MetalMercury wrote:On August 23 2019 23:17 emperorchampion wrote:On August 23 2019 21:59 MetalMercury wrote:
What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory Yeah I'm between Liquid and LGD now. Liquid winning would be such a crazy story, full lower bracket run. I really hate Liquid and OG, so I guess I'm all in on the LGD train! What makes you hate them, if I might ask? I guess I'm more "meh" on Liquid, but they play pretty boring Dota imo. As for OG, I hate their fans. Not every fan, but their general fans are pretty annoying (just check the front page of reddit after OG plays, it's literally like 20 top posts with their pictures). OG is just so cocky in-game it would be immensely satisfying to watch them get crushed by any team. My dream is that OG are planting their flags and spamming voice lines and all that, and the other team just rolls over them like they're 2k scrubs and totally ignoring all their antics. Unfortunately, I've resigned my self to the fact that OG will probably win this TI.
Eventually you’ll embrace the memes.
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On August 24 2019 04:30 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 02:37 emperorchampion wrote:On August 24 2019 00:36 MetalMercury wrote:On August 24 2019 00:07 vommy wrote:On August 23 2019 23:35 MetalMercury wrote:On August 23 2019 23:17 emperorchampion wrote:On August 23 2019 21:59 MetalMercury wrote:
What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory Yeah I'm between Liquid and LGD now. Liquid winning would be such a crazy story, full lower bracket run. I really hate Liquid and OG, so I guess I'm all in on the LGD train! What makes you hate them, if I might ask? I guess I'm more "meh" on Liquid, but they play pretty boring Dota imo. As for OG, I hate their fans. Not every fan, but their general fans are pretty annoying (just check the front page of reddit after OG plays, it's literally like 20 top posts with their pictures). OG is just so cocky in-game it would be immensely satisfying to watch them get crushed by any team. My dream is that OG are planting their flags and spamming voice lines and all that, and the other team just rolls over them like they're 2k scrubs and totally ignoring all their antics. Unfortunately, I've resigned my self to the fact that OG will probably win this TI. Eventually you’ll embrace the memes.
Nah I'm too salty about the EG game, maybe next season
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On August 24 2019 05:02 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 04:30 Emnjay808 wrote:On August 24 2019 02:37 emperorchampion wrote:On August 24 2019 00:36 MetalMercury wrote:On August 24 2019 00:07 vommy wrote:On August 23 2019 23:35 MetalMercury wrote:On August 23 2019 23:17 emperorchampion wrote:On August 23 2019 21:59 MetalMercury wrote:
What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory Yeah I'm between Liquid and LGD now. Liquid winning would be such a crazy story, full lower bracket run. I really hate Liquid and OG, so I guess I'm all in on the LGD train! What makes you hate them, if I might ask? I guess I'm more "meh" on Liquid, but they play pretty boring Dota imo. As for OG, I hate their fans. Not every fan, but their general fans are pretty annoying (just check the front page of reddit after OG plays, it's literally like 20 top posts with their pictures). OG is just so cocky in-game it would be immensely satisfying to watch them get crushed by any team. My dream is that OG are planting their flags and spamming voice lines and all that, and the other team just rolls over them like they're 2k scrubs and totally ignoring all their antics. Unfortunately, I've resigned my self to the fact that OG will probably win this TI. Eventually you’ll embrace the memes. Nah I'm too salty about the EG game, maybe next season
If OG deserve to go overboard on flags, voice lines against one opponent it's EG, feel so strange about it. As it's my two favorit teams just I like OG more. But think that the personal drama makes the series epic when they meet and is the closest thing to a real derby that report has.
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On August 24 2019 02:37 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 00:36 MetalMercury wrote:On August 24 2019 00:07 vommy wrote:On August 23 2019 23:35 MetalMercury wrote:On August 23 2019 23:17 emperorchampion wrote:On August 23 2019 21:59 MetalMercury wrote:
What do you do when you don't really like any of the teams left in the tournament?
I just don't have anyone to root for. Maybe I should bandwagon LGD so we get a home town victory Yeah I'm between Liquid and LGD now. Liquid winning would be such a crazy story, full lower bracket run. I really hate Liquid and OG, so I guess I'm all in on the LGD train! What makes you hate them, if I might ask? I guess I'm more "meh" on Liquid, but they play pretty boring Dota imo. As for OG, I hate their fans. Not every fan, but their general fans are pretty annoying (just check the front page of reddit after OG plays, it's literally like 20 top posts with their pictures). OG is just so cocky in-game it would be immensely satisfying to watch them get crushed by any team. My dream is that OG are planting their flags and spamming voice lines and all that, and the other team just rolls over them like they're 2k scrubs and totally ignoring all their antics. Unfortunately, I've resigned my self to the fact that OG will probably win this TI. It has nothing to do with cockiness, and everything to do getting inside the head of the opponents. It is also a projection of them having fun playing - much like Infamous.
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That was the worst possible way to throw away a life as ana
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