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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 22 2019 09:37 GMT
#561
On August 22 2019 18:36 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:29 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
why did blitz keep saying chrono aoe is better, isn't the 25% backtrack like 33% more ehp on a dps hero that sustains in fights

A good chrono on heroes that can't handle it ends the match right then and there.
Backtrack doesn't just end the game on your onus.

A good chrono does not need to take up entire screen. If anything, it's easier to place a bad chrono with aoe talent.

Backtrack literally ends the game on it's own when you backtrack laguna blade with aghs or a crit from PA with rapier.

True, but you don't decide to backtrack one ability or the other.
People like to be in control of their destiny.

Enlightened already know that nobody is in control of their own destiny so they go along with more RNG.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-22 09:40:20
August 22 2019 09:38 GMT
#562
its still all damage sources its not just the big ones and lucky rngs that matter, if you're having long fights with manfights, backtrack will just make it way more likely you survive every time, and lifesteal becomes more efficient in a sense too

it has a 5.3% winrate difference on dotabuff that's pretty significant

it's just kind of strictly better in most situations imo, especially for how void operates as a lategame carry at level 25
posting on liquid sites in current year
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
August 22 2019 09:39 GMT
#563
dota dads is the best content among any other contents from all tournaments
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 22 2019 09:39 GMT
#564
Hopefully this series deliver. Because if we get the best or second best crowd of entire event for underwhelming series, it will be sour.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 22 2019 09:40 GMT
#565
Kaci looks a little different
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 22 2019 09:40 GMT
#566
On August 22 2019 18:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:36 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:29 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
why did blitz keep saying chrono aoe is better, isn't the 25% backtrack like 33% more ehp on a dps hero that sustains in fights

A good chrono on heroes that can't handle it ends the match right then and there.
Backtrack doesn't just end the game on your onus.

A good chrono does not need to take up entire screen. If anything, it's easier to place a bad chrono with aoe talent.

Backtrack literally ends the game on it's own when you backtrack laguna blade with aghs or a crit from PA with rapier.

True, but you don't decide to backtrack one ability or the other.
People like to be in control of their destiny.

Enlightened already know that nobody is in control of their own destiny so they go along with more RNG.

But if you use your good RNG on backtrack you won't be able to bash properly.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
August 22 2019 09:41 GMT
#567
Remember the old days when LGD wore sweet white jackets?

Probably the only eSports wear I would own if they weren’t sold exclusively in China.
* N U K E D *
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 22 2019 09:41 GMT
#568
On August 22 2019 18:40 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:36 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:29 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
why did blitz keep saying chrono aoe is better, isn't the 25% backtrack like 33% more ehp on a dps hero that sustains in fights

A good chrono on heroes that can't handle it ends the match right then and there.
Backtrack doesn't just end the game on your onus.

A good chrono does not need to take up entire screen. If anything, it's easier to place a bad chrono with aoe talent.

Backtrack literally ends the game on it's own when you backtrack laguna blade with aghs or a crit from PA with rapier.

True, but you don't decide to backtrack one ability or the other.
People like to be in control of their destiny.

Enlightened already know that nobody is in control of their own destiny so they go along with more RNG.

But if you use your good RNG on backtrack you won't be able to bash properly.

You don't need backtrack when you get bashes, and you don't need bashes when you get good backtracks, simple as that!
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
August 22 2019 09:42 GMT
#569
On August 22 2019 18:41 RubickPicker wrote:
Remember the old days when LGD wore sweet white jackets?

Probably the only eSports wear I would own if they weren’t sold exclusively in China.

IG TI2 jacket remainst the best dota jacket so far
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 22 2019 09:42 GMT
#570
On August 22 2019 18:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:36 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:29 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
why did blitz keep saying chrono aoe is better, isn't the 25% backtrack like 33% more ehp on a dps hero that sustains in fights

A good chrono on heroes that can't handle it ends the match right then and there.
Backtrack doesn't just end the game on your onus.

A good chrono does not need to take up entire screen. If anything, it's easier to place a bad chrono with aoe talent.

Backtrack literally ends the game on it's own when you backtrack laguna blade with aghs or a crit from PA with rapier.

True, but you don't decide to backtrack one ability or the other.
People like to be in control of their destiny.

Enlightened already know that nobody is in control of their own destiny so they go along with more RNG.
When it comes to placing a chrono, they are in control. You're basically sidestepping the point, for a war on words.
LiangHao
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 22 2019 09:44 GMT
#571
On August 22 2019 18:41 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:40 nojok wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:36 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:29 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
why did blitz keep saying chrono aoe is better, isn't the 25% backtrack like 33% more ehp on a dps hero that sustains in fights

A good chrono on heroes that can't handle it ends the match right then and there.
Backtrack doesn't just end the game on your onus.

A good chrono does not need to take up entire screen. If anything, it's easier to place a bad chrono with aoe talent.

Backtrack literally ends the game on it's own when you backtrack laguna blade with aghs or a crit from PA with rapier.

True, but you don't decide to backtrack one ability or the other.
People like to be in control of their destiny.

Enlightened already know that nobody is in control of their own destiny so they go along with more RNG.

But if you use your good RNG on backtrack you won't be able to bash properly.

You don't need backtrack when you get bashes, and you don't need bashes when you get good backtracks, simple as that!

Fair enough.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 22 2019 09:44 GMT
#572
On August 22 2019 18:42 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:36 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:29 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
why did blitz keep saying chrono aoe is better, isn't the 25% backtrack like 33% more ehp on a dps hero that sustains in fights

A good chrono on heroes that can't handle it ends the match right then and there.
Backtrack doesn't just end the game on your onus.

A good chrono does not need to take up entire screen. If anything, it's easier to place a bad chrono with aoe talent.

Backtrack literally ends the game on it's own when you backtrack laguna blade with aghs or a crit from PA with rapier.

True, but you don't decide to backtrack one ability or the other.
People like to be in control of their destiny.

Enlightened already know that nobody is in control of their own destiny so they go along with more RNG.
When it comes to placing a chrono, they are in control. You're basically sidestepping the point, for a war on words.

Not really, i am making a general statement on free will here. If free will does not exist, then you are not in control of your chrono placements either. And even if you are, you are not in control of your team mates stepping in this chrono, just look at Yapzor last game.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
August 22 2019 09:45 GMT
#573
On August 22 2019 18:26 Shergal wrote:
I just love how the Chinese panel has fucking Hao, Wings players, pros all around breaking down the games to the smallest details that we don't notice meanwhile we have Trent going "well Secret JUST PULLED IT OUT IN THE END Y'KNOW"

It blows my mind that the english panels consistently have analysts like Trent and Tsunami who are like 5k flat at best, on top of randomly throwing in people like ODPixel. I certainly don't belong on a panel and they're not more knowledgeable than I am. I guess most big name western Dota players are still playing, but there's still Fear, EGM, Envy, Moo, MoonMeander. All players that are finalists if not winners of Valve tournaments.

On August 22 2019 18:38 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
its still all damage sources its not just the big ones and lucky rngs that matter, if you're having long fights with manfights, backtrack will just make it way more likely you survive every time, and lifesteal becomes more efficient in a sense too

it has a 5.3% winrate difference on dotabuff that's pretty significant

it's just kind of strictly better in most situations imo, especially for how void operates as a lategame carry at level 25

This. Nisha survived that last fight with like 10% HP, he'd be super dead without Backtrack talent. I get why people like the Chrono talent (it's hard to spread out enough that you aren't getting most of your team caught in it) but at that point in the game it's a lot easier to have itemized well vs. the Chrono burst (see: Aeon Disk). That game in particular was horrible for the chrono talent because the two big Mineski cores could not be bursted in Chrono
rip
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 22 2019 09:45 GMT
#574
On August 22 2019 18:42 Snakesneaks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:41 RubickPicker wrote:
Remember the old days when LGD wore sweet white jackets?

Probably the only eSports wear I would own if they weren’t sold exclusively in China.

IG TI2 jacket remainst the best dota jacket so far

Is IG still active in DotA as an org?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 22 2019 09:46 GMT
#575
On August 22 2019 18:45 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:42 Snakesneaks wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:41 RubickPicker wrote:
Remember the old days when LGD wore sweet white jackets?

Probably the only eSports wear I would own if they weren’t sold exclusively in China.

IG TI2 jacket remainst the best dota jacket so far

Is IG still active in DotA as an org?

Yeah, they have couple of tier 3 squads. Or had before this TI, maybe they won't next year.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
August 22 2019 09:46 GMT
#576
On August 22 2019 18:45 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:42 Snakesneaks wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:41 RubickPicker wrote:
Remember the old days when LGD wore sweet white jackets?

Probably the only eSports wear I would own if they weren’t sold exclusively in China.

IG TI2 jacket remainst the best dota jacket so far

Is IG still active in DotA as an org?


Yea they tried to qualify for TI and failed
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-22 09:51:31
August 22 2019 09:47 GMT
#577
On August 22 2019 18:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:42 Dracolich70 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:36 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:29 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
why did blitz keep saying chrono aoe is better, isn't the 25% backtrack like 33% more ehp on a dps hero that sustains in fights

A good chrono on heroes that can't handle it ends the match right then and there.
Backtrack doesn't just end the game on your onus.

A good chrono does not need to take up entire screen. If anything, it's easier to place a bad chrono with aoe talent.

Backtrack literally ends the game on it's own when you backtrack laguna blade with aghs or a crit from PA with rapier.

True, but you don't decide to backtrack one ability or the other.
People like to be in control of their destiny.

Enlightened already know that nobody is in control of their own destiny so they go along with more RNG.
When it comes to placing a chrono, they are in control. You're basically sidestepping the point, for a war on words.

Not really, i am making a general statement on free will here. If free will does not exist, then you are not in control of your chrono placements either. And even if you are, you are not in control of your team mates stepping in this chrono, just look at Yapzor last game.
Whether they choose one talent or the other is free choice for most people, unless you want to enter a discussion of spiritual inability for choice, which in itself removes your own argument. Resting on their own abilities to place a chrono, is within their control, unlike RNG, which also was your point.

Trying to make a strawman, that they don't control what their own team mates does, is you just wasting everyone's time.
LiangHao
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-22 09:49:11
August 22 2019 09:47 GMT
#578
On August 22 2019 18:45 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:26 Shergal wrote:
I just love how the Chinese panel has fucking Hao, Wings players, pros all around breaking down the games to the smallest details that we don't notice meanwhile we have Trent going "well Secret JUST PULLED IT OUT IN THE END Y'KNOW"

It blows my mind that the english panels consistently have analysts like Trent and Tsunami who are like 5k flat at best, on top of randomly throwing in people like ODPixel. I certainly don't belong on a panel and they're not more knowledgeable than I am. I guess most big name western Dota players are still playing, but there's still Fear, EGM, Envy, Moo, MoonMeander. All players that are finalists if not winners of Valve tournaments.



They tried and Bulldog probably acted like a vaccine.

And Kyle is good, even if he always believes in the push strat, like when he was a captain.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
August 22 2019 09:48 GMT
#579
On August 22 2019 18:42 Snakesneaks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:41 RubickPicker wrote:
Remember the old days when LGD wore sweet white jackets?

Probably the only eSports wear I would own if they weren’t sold exclusively in China.

IG TI2 jacket remainst the best dota jacket so far

But: http://gosugamers.net/dota2/images/DotA/LGD.jpg
Dota team or boy band? You can’t tell.


IG jacket would work better as actual piece of lifestyle wear, though.
* N U K E D *
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 22 2019 09:49 GMT
#580
On August 22 2019 18:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 18:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:42 Dracolich70 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:36 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:29 Wintex wrote:
On August 22 2019 18:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
why did blitz keep saying chrono aoe is better, isn't the 25% backtrack like 33% more ehp on a dps hero that sustains in fights

A good chrono on heroes that can't handle it ends the match right then and there.
Backtrack doesn't just end the game on your onus.

A good chrono does not need to take up entire screen. If anything, it's easier to place a bad chrono with aoe talent.

Backtrack literally ends the game on it's own when you backtrack laguna blade with aghs or a crit from PA with rapier.

True, but you don't decide to backtrack one ability or the other.
People like to be in control of their destiny.

Enlightened already know that nobody is in control of their own destiny so they go along with more RNG.
When it comes to placing a chrono, they are in control. You're basically sidestepping the point, for a war on words.

Not really, i am making a general statement on free will here. If free will does not exist, then you are not in control of your chrono placements either. And even if you are, you are not in control of your team mates stepping in this chrono, just look at Yapzor last game.
Whether they choose one talent or the other is free choice for most people, unless you want to enter a discussion of spiritual inability for choice, which in itself removes your own argument. Resting on their own abilities to place a chrono, is within their control, unlike RNG, which also was your point.

Not spiritual, but physical inability of choice, to be exact. And yes, it definitely removes my argument, since it means that choosing talent itself is not a decision made of free will, but my point stands: going for more RNG and less control just makes sense.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
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