Of these I feel like Fnatic vs Liquid and Mineski vs Na'Vi are the hardest to call. Fnatic and Liquid both have been looking weak, both have replaced a player just before TI to mixed results. Mineski and Na'Vi are both surprisingly strong teams from their regions that just didn't quite make it to the upper bracket. Still:
LGD wins TNC wins (I think they're gonna surprise some folks) Alliance Fnatic Infamous Mineski
On August 20 2019 04:11 dragonswarrior wrote: Of these I feel like Fnatic vs Liquid and Mineski vs Na'Vi are the hardest to call. Fnatic and Liquid both have been looking weak, both have replaced a player just before TI to mixed results. Mineski and Na'Vi are both surprisingly strong teams from their regions that just didn't quite make it to the upper bracket. Still:
LGD wins TNC wins (I think they're gonna surprise some folks) Alliance Fnatic Infamous Mineski
vg are still my fav to win ti, don’t think tnc will take them down
I am wondering if either Liquid or Fnatic try to cheese their way through BO1 by picking up Meepo for Abed/W33haa or a Broodmother. Really looking forward for the series between TNC and VG, VG showed that they are not invincible and TNC with the help of Heen can expose them with the right draft approach.
Hard to say who wins for a few of these matches. LGD and Alliance are obvious picks but the other four are harder. I think VG 2-1, Infamous, Mineski, and Fnatic win
On August 20 2019 05:34 Rufus Dupres wrote: I am wondering if either Liquid or Fnatic try to cheese their way through BO1 by picking up Meepo for Abed/W33haa or a Broodmother. Really looking forward for the series between TNC and VG, VG showed that they are not invincible and TNC with the help of Heen can expose them with the right draft approach.
definitely expect to see a brood pick in the rng/alliance game
Seven heroes remain unplayed at TI: Brew, Clock, DS, KotL, NS, Riki, and Ursa. Will any of the teams play any of them on the main stage? I'm surprised KotL hasn't been picked yet, not so much for the others
On August 20 2019 10:44 plasmidghost wrote: DK TI4 is still my most favorite squad in all of esports, man I wish they had won TI
i still believe TI4 DK is the strongest doto team ever assembled today, even stronger than Secret or EG or VP or Liquid on their peak.
Relative to their competition, I think that Alliance's TI 3 era is the best team in history, and then DK's TI 4 era team was probably second on that list.
In absolute terms, teams losing in the regional qualifiers of TI would be able to beat TI 3 Alliance or TI 4 DK; that's just how the skill of the game has changed over time.
That DK team wasn't that far ahead of the competition, they were just so good at doing their own thing that they could get 'on fire' and completely crush a tournament. But they still lost to EG, Newbee, iG, competed on equal terms with many other teams on many tournaments.
What made that DK special was their completely crazy playstyle owed to the immense hero pool and versatility of all 5 players.
On August 20 2019 10:22 plasmidghost wrote: Seven heroes remain unplayed at TI: Brew, Clock, DS, KotL, NS, Riki, and Ursa. Will any of the teams play any of them on the main stage? I'm surprised KotL hasn't been picked yet, not so much for the others
On August 20 2019 10:22 plasmidghost wrote: Seven heroes remain unplayed at TI: Brew, Clock, DS, KotL, NS, Riki, and Ursa. Will any of the teams play any of them on the main stage? I'm surprised KotL hasn't been picked yet, not so much for the others
the only non pickable hero is kotl
Is KotL really that bad? I thought his ult was still good and getting some of his old abilities back would make him not a one-button hero again
On August 20 2019 10:22 plasmidghost wrote: Seven heroes remain unplayed at TI: Brew, Clock, DS, KotL, NS, Riki, and Ursa. Will any of the teams play any of them on the main stage? I'm surprised KotL hasn't been picked yet, not so much for the others
This is already a bit messy with team announcements being wrong, camera cutting to the wrong tunnel, and some teams not even having their names announced as they exit.
On August 20 2019 11:20 Julmust wrote: That LGD entrance though. I don't give a shit if the crowd is biased af if they bring that noise!!!!
Oh man now I want both LGD and TNC to win today so they can have an ultra spicy upper bracket match!
According to the betting markets both of those teams are expected to win so you're more likely to get your wish than not!
The betting market has TNC as a favorite over VG? That seems incredibly surprising.
They do indeed; I'd actually make TNC favorites in that series too. Remove the Mineski series and TNC has played some great dota in the group stage.
I mean VG has also and has shown a much higher ceiling between the two teams. I think saying its really close is fine but having TNC as a favorite is a little crazy.
On August 20 2019 11:20 Julmust wrote: That LGD entrance though. I don't give a shit if the crowd is biased af if they bring that noise!!!!
Oh man now I want both LGD and TNC to win today so they can have an ultra spicy upper bracket match!
According to the betting markets both of those teams are expected to win so you're more likely to get your wish than not!
The betting market has TNC as a favorite over VG? That seems incredibly surprising.
They do indeed; I'd actually make TNC favorites in that series too. Remove the Mineski series and TNC has played some great dota in the group stage.
I mean VG has also and has shown a much higher ceiling between the two teams. I think saying its really close is fine but having TNC as a favorite is a little crazy.
VG won 1 Minor and 2 Majors on the year. They're the clear favorite on their side of the bracket.
LGD going for safety & comfort with Tide + Rubick. Chalice tends to be exploitable in bigger matches, so a good idea to get his hero off the board early.
On August 20 2019 11:48 Nocticate wrote: really kinda annoyed that this took 2 hours to start. i might catch the first match of this series before i have to sleep :\
vp seems to be drafting and playing a lot better than they were in groups. i was afraid this was gonna be an absolute shithousing (still time for that though)
I think the gyro pick by lgd was so bad. It made the morph pick which I think vp already wanted even better by giving morph another replicate target before he gets aghs and then they didn't swap it to core and forced maybe to play in a super rough lane vs dazzle that they knew was coming.
The Gyro/Sven/Tide can farm a lot better, so VP's snowball got derailed because LGD could find enough levels to handle the early damage. Not sure if this is a great draft from LGD or VP misplayed their draft.
On August 20 2019 12:39 Taf the Ghost wrote: The Gyro/Sven/Tide can farm a lot better, so VP's snowball got derailed because LGD could find enough levels to handle the early damage. Not sure if this is a great draft from LGD or VP misplayed their draft.
I think No[O]ne overestimated how much time VP had to execute their strategy. If you don't snowball you don't win, period. But he went back for Greaves after Necro 1.
On August 20 2019 12:39 Taf the Ghost wrote: The Gyro/Sven/Tide can farm a lot better, so VP's snowball got derailed because LGD could find enough levels to handle the early damage. Not sure if this is a great draft from LGD or VP misplayed their draft.
I think No[O]ne overestimated how much time VP had to execute their strategy. If you don't snowball you don't win, period. But he went back for Greaves after Necro 1.
the issue was VP lost that huge fight post rosh. That completely destroyed their momentum.
On August 20 2019 12:39 Taf the Ghost wrote: The Gyro/Sven/Tide can farm a lot better, so VP's snowball got derailed because LGD could find enough levels to handle the early damage. Not sure if this is a great draft from LGD or VP misplayed their draft.
VP lost that fight at the shrine where Ramzes made a blunder, and then they lost the fight at rosh. That was the Dazzle/Brew snowball stopped and from there it was all LGD
On August 20 2019 12:39 Taf the Ghost wrote: The Gyro/Sven/Tide can farm a lot better, so VP's snowball got derailed because LGD could find enough levels to handle the early damage. Not sure if this is a great draft from LGD or VP misplayed their draft.
I think No[O]ne overestimated how much time VP had to execute their strategy. If you don't snowball you don't win, period. But he went back for Greaves after Necro 1.
the issue was VP lost that huge fight post rosh. That completely destroyed their momentum.
The momentum was going to peter out sooner or later: Dazzle doesn't scale damage-wise and Brew has to wait until level 25 before he becomes good again. Even prior to losing Ramzes at the shrine, VP was only up 2k gold.
On August 20 2019 12:46 Snakesneaks wrote: solo must be berated by his team by now. he constantly died first in many teamfights because he was easily jumped on thus no global silence.
On August 20 2019 12:46 Snakesneaks wrote: solo must be berated by his team by now. he constantly died first in many teamfights because he was easily jumped on thus no global silence.
All of them took turns doing dumb shit in teamfights.
On August 20 2019 12:54 Achaian wrote: riddle me this: how dead silent is this crowd if TNC is beating LGD? I can dream, right...
just as long as they show some enthusiasm during some not "favorite son savior of china" matches I can forgive the adulation
TNC aren't innocent victims no matter what the leddit narrative says. If they hadn't repeatedly lied and played the victim card no one would care anymore
On August 20 2019 12:54 Achaian wrote: riddle me this: how dead silent is this crowd if TNC is beating LGD? I can dream, right...
just as long as they show some enthusiasm during some not "favorite son savior of china" matches I can forgive the adulation
why you hating to the crowd man ?
I did the same thing when, at ti6, the crowd just yelled "MOOOOOO" for the entirety of about 7 games. Everyone wants their team to win. But when one side is so overwhelmingly preferred, it gets old quick
On August 20 2019 12:57 Snakesneaks wrote: why some people complain about homecrowd bias geeez. it is perfectly normal for homecrowd to cheer for their local and favourite team.
It is also perfectly normal for homecrowd to not cheer for team playing against local and favorite team, but i can say that i do not envy poor fools that will cheer for non-Chinese teams.
On August 20 2019 12:57 Snakesneaks wrote: why some people complain about homecrowd bias geeez. it is perfectly normal for homecrowd to cheer for their local and favourite team.
they referring to kuku racist allegation, kuku took the punishment and now playing at Shanghai
At every TI held in Seattle, the crowd would always shout USA USA USA when an American team played. Getting mad at the Chinese crowd for being biased towards their home teams makes no sense. Plus, teams like OG and EG got plenty of applause and cheers when they were introduced at the opening ceremony
On August 20 2019 13:00 plasmidghost wrote: At every TI held in Seattle, the crowd would always shout USA USA USA when an American team played. Getting mad at the Chinese crowd for being biased towards their home teams makes no sense. Plus, teams like OG and EG got plenty of applause and cheers when they were introduced at the opening ceremony
I think some people are worried that the crowd will be very quite in west vs west matchups which we will just have to wait and see for. Personally I don't think it will be an issue but we won't know till it happens
On August 20 2019 13:00 plasmidghost wrote: At every TI held in Seattle, the crowd would always shout USA USA USA when an American team played. Getting mad at the Chinese crowd for being biased towards their home teams makes no sense. Plus, teams like OG and EG got plenty of applause and cheers when they were introduced at the opening ceremony
Seattle was always more versatile, because it hosts people from all over the world, including American Asians, that are usually more loyal to Chinese teams, than American. Shanghai like Vancouver is like 80-90% Chinese, thus overwhelmingly shouting for the Chinese.
Also it is common knowledge that China is extremely patriotic. It is what it is. I don't blame them at all, but it is not very great for a global event. Trying to pretend otherwise is extremely disingenuous.
Jesus christ, such a good viper game, too bad VP won't pick it.
And yeah, i have now suspicion that LGD are either very confident they don't need to expose cards in hand to beat VP (they are right) or they lack in versatility which can backfire.
On August 20 2019 13:11 lolfail9001 wrote: Jesus christ, such a good viper game, too bad VP won't pick it.
And yeah, i have now suspicion that LGD are either very confident they don't need to expose cards in hand to beat VP (they are right) or they lack in versatility which can backfire.
No one picks that hero unless it's against Bristle or Spectre. :'(
Also, I'm pretty sure No[O]ne hates the Atos build.
On August 20 2019 13:11 lolfail9001 wrote: Jesus christ, such a good viper game, too bad VP won't pick it.
And yeah, i have now suspicion that LGD are either very confident they don't need to expose cards in hand to beat VP (they are right) or they lack in versatility which can backfire.
it would have been a hell of a lot better than whatever they're going to put mid for sure.
I don't get around to playing much anymore. Does break disable pseudo-passives like tidebringer?
On August 20 2019 13:11 lolfail9001 wrote: Jesus christ, such a good viper game, too bad VP won't pick it.
And yeah, i have now suspicion that LGD are either very confident they don't need to expose cards in hand to beat VP (they are right) or they lack in versatility which can backfire.
it would have been a hell of a lot better than whatever they're going to put mid for sure.
I don't get around to playing much anymore. Does break disable pseudo-passives like tidebringer?
On August 20 2019 13:11 lolfail9001 wrote: Jesus christ, such a good viper game, too bad VP won't pick it.
And yeah, i have now suspicion that LGD are either very confident they don't need to expose cards in hand to beat VP (they are right) or they lack in versatility which can backfire.
it would have been a hell of a lot better than whatever they're going to put mid for sure.
I don't get around to playing much anymore. Does break disable pseudo-passives like tidebringer?
Hmm, I'm not sure (it does break Chaos Strike and Jinada). Nethertoxin would break Kraken Shell, Blur and Coup de Grace though.
Why is Radiance Kunkka a thing? He doesn't use illusions, flash farms well if he builds right-click items, and doesn't have any talents or abilities that interact with doing magic damage. Why is it good?
On August 20 2019 13:30 ASoo wrote: Why is Radiance Kunkka a thing? He doesn't use illusions, flash farms well if he builds right-click items, and doesn't have any talents or abilities that interact with doing magic damage. Why is it good?
He doesn't die, Tidebringer uses the bonus damage, he has short CD spells. Not much different from why DK buys it on occasion.
On August 20 2019 14:05 woojaekeem wrote: didn't watch -- why he buy aghs on pa
PA Aghs seems really underrated once you hit 25. You have triple daggers that resets on kills, which you're almost certainly going to get because you're six-slotted, so in a teamfight, you can easily get 2-3 sets of refreshed triple daggers off, not including those off its normal cd. Blink may only be a five-second cooldown, but when you blink onto a Lion and one-shot him, you need to catch the other enemy heroes and may have ~4 seconds of just trying to run at them, which may be enough time for them to escape as in the case of Pango rolling away. Also, the reset on Blur which gives you a brief moment of invisibility can definitely be key to avoid, in this case, Gyro and TB hits
On August 20 2019 14:05 woojaekeem wrote: didn't watch -- why he buy aghs on pa
PA Aghs seems really underrated once you hit 25. You have triple daggers that resets on kills, which you're almost certainly going to get because you're six-slotted, so in a teamfight, you can easily get 2-3 sets of refreshed triple daggers off, not including those off its normal cd
It's really strong when you're ahead, because you can jump and burst someone squishy and then immediately jump to the next target rather than having to wait 3-4 seconds for your CDs
Blur having no castpoint and dispelling is a nice bonus
On August 20 2019 14:05 woojaekeem wrote: didn't watch -- why he buy aghs on pa
PA Aghs seems really underrated once you hit 25. You have triple daggers that resets on kills, which you're almost certainly going to get because you're six-slotted, so in a teamfight, you can easily get 2-3 sets of refreshed triple daggers off, not including those off its normal cd
It's really strong when you're ahead, because you can jump and burst someone squishy and then immediately jump to the next target rather than having to wait 3-4 seconds for your CDs
Blur having no castpoint and dispelling is a nice bonus
Adds a lot of value to BKB since you get to use the duration.
On August 20 2019 14:25 plasmidghost wrote: I'm also surprised that TNC has nearly even odds on winning this series. VG won two majors this DPC cycle, right?
Where do you see that? All i see is VG 1.4~ and TNC 2.6~
On August 20 2019 14:25 plasmidghost wrote: I'm also surprised that TNC has nearly even odds on winning this series. VG won two majors this DPC cycle, right?
And they looked great I'll the group stage. If I still gambled that's be a pretty fucking easy bet
On August 20 2019 14:25 plasmidghost wrote: I'm also surprised that TNC has nearly even odds on winning this series. VG won two majors this DPC cycle, right?
Where do you see that? All i see is VG 1.4~ and TNC 2.6~
I saw it mentioned earlier in this thread. I didn't think to check myself, shame on me
On August 20 2019 14:28 sunrazgriz wrote: Dendi just smiling there
Every time I see Dendi he looks like he's having just the greatest time. Not sure if he's just a really happy dude, or has a highly developed game face.
On August 20 2019 14:05 woojaekeem wrote: didn't watch -- why he buy aghs on pa
PA Aghs seems really underrated once you hit 25. You have triple daggers that resets on kills, which you're almost certainly going to get because you're six-slotted, so in a teamfight, you can easily get 2-3 sets of refreshed triple daggers off, not including those off its normal cd. Blink may only be a five-second cooldown, but when you blink onto a Lion and one-shot him, you need to catch the other enemy heroes and may have ~4 seconds of just trying to run at them, which may be enough time for them to escape as in the case of Pango rolling away. Also, the reset on Blur which gives you a brief moment of invisibility can definitely be key to avoid, in this case, Gyro and TB hits
Not to mention the short CD dispel blur gives that also can get reset on kills can but super useful in fights depending on what you are against
The solo-BSJ segments are definitely extremely weird. I don't know what they're doing with that, it's not that BSJ is doing anything wrong, it's just...really awkward for him to be sitting there alone talking into the camera.
On August 20 2019 14:48 ASoo wrote: The solo-BSJ segments are definitely extremely weird. I don't know what they're doing with that, it's not that BSJ is doing anything wrong, it's just...really awkward for him to be sitting there alone talking into the camera.
Especially after an already "specialized" panel stricly for the drafts... he offers the same as tsunami+the 2 analysts.
On August 20 2019 14:48 ASoo wrote: The solo-BSJ segments are definitely extremely weird. I don't know what they're doing with that, it's not that BSJ is doing anything wrong, it's just...really awkward for him to be sitting there alone talking into the camera.
It was ok last year when he just walked up to the analyst desk (still somewhat awkward tho). I'd much rather have him on the panel to be honest.
Hey the Crowd's coming back alive. They're growing into it. I could understand some salt. IT felt like VG was in the driving seat for a good while. Team fight rules everything around me.
On August 20 2019 16:08 Yurie wrote: So many times VG threw fights. Playing the map great, doing good movements. Then not team fighting.
Paparazzi is going to get roasted, hard, if VG loses this series.
I don't think Paparazzi was the one that drafted a donothing Magnus
I think Magnus did fine, he could not afford to do some half ass RPs, he had to hit better and better RPs as the game went on because VG's teamfight was lackluster, he had too much on his shoulders.
On August 20 2019 16:08 Yurie wrote: So many times VG threw fights. Playing the map great, doing good movements. Then not team fighting.
Paparazzi is going to get roasted, hard, if VG loses this series.
I don't think Paparazzi was the one that drafted a donothing Magnus
I think Magnus did fine, he could not afford to do some half ass RPs, he had to hit better and better RPs as the game went on because VG's teamfight was lackluster, he had too much on his shoulders.
Not blaming Fade, Magnus was just a bad pick partially for the reasons you stated
On August 20 2019 16:08 Yurie wrote: So many times VG threw fights. Playing the map great, doing good movements. Then not team fighting.
Paparazzi is going to get roasted, hard, if VG loses this series.
I don't think Paparazzi was the one that drafted a donothing Magnus
I think Magnus did fine, he could not afford to do some half ass RPs, he had to hit better and better RPs as the game went on because VG's teamfight was lackluster, he had too much on his shoulders.
Not blaming Fade, Magnus was just a bad pick partially for the reasons you stated
He did a game winning one when they were pushing mid. Paparazi lost that fight. I think they shared the blame for that game.
On August 20 2019 16:08 Yurie wrote: So many times VG threw fights. Playing the map great, doing good movements. Then not team fighting.
Paparazzi is going to get roasted, hard, if VG loses this series.
I don't think Paparazzi was the one that drafted a donothing Magnus
I think Magnus did fine, he could not afford to do some half ass RPs, he had to hit better and better RPs as the game went on because VG's teamfight was lackluster, he had too much on his shoulders.
Not blaming Fade, Magnus was just a bad pick partially for the reasons you stated
The draft as a whole was lacking CC, I don't see a hero which could have completed the other 4 while not leaving VG totally helpless against rage or BKBs.
On August 20 2019 16:21 icystorage wrote: damn, it like as if Pacquiao has a boxing match today. Everybody's crazy about TNC in social media, given how fanatical pinoys with dota are.
First really strong Pinoy team at TI since... TI6 TNC?
On August 20 2019 16:21 icystorage wrote: damn, it like as if Pacquiao has a boxing match today. Everybody's crazy about TNC in social media, given how fanatical pinoys with dota are.
First really strong Pinoy team at TI since... TI6 TNC?
On August 20 2019 16:24 ASoo wrote: I want TNC to keep playing against Chinese teams as long as possible so that I can read translated Chinese memes about it.
Well, if they win here, they get LGD. It's extremely unlikely to see another Chinese team in the tournament.
On August 20 2019 16:21 icystorage wrote: damn, it like as if Pacquiao has a boxing match today. Everybody's crazy about TNC in social media, given how fanatical pinoys with dota are.
First really strong Pinoy team at TI since... TI6 TNC?
I'm not sure but yeah, strongest pinoy team ever. Gabbi, armel and kuku brought their A game but tims is just on another level.
On August 20 2019 16:21 icystorage wrote: damn, it like as if Pacquiao has a boxing match today. Everybody's crazy about TNC in social media, given how fanatical pinoys with dota are.
First really strong Pinoy team at TI since... TI6 TNC?
TI6 TNC started in lower bracket tho.
Well, that only happened because of a few Classic Jimmy moments. They actually should have been in Upper Bracket that year. But that win over OG was quite a special series.
On August 20 2019 16:21 icystorage wrote: damn, it like as if Pacquiao has a boxing match today. Everybody's crazy about TNC in social media, given how fanatical pinoys with dota are.
You also have to remember that you notice crowd bias more when it's against your teams. As someone who tends to cheer for the Chinese teams (though not the slightest bit Chinese myself), I've watched so many tournaments where I feel no one ever cheers for them. 90%+ of non-Chinese fans in live audiences seem to cheer for pretty much every non-Chinese team over every Chinese team (with the possible exception of Burning/Fy teams). The only reason it's a bit more balanced at NA TIs is because there's a large contingent of fans with Chinese roots there.
I do hope it gets better this TI though. I mean the level of sound seems fucking amazing, would be awesome if it were more balanced.
On August 20 2019 16:21 icystorage wrote: damn, it like as if Pacquiao has a boxing match today. Everybody's crazy about TNC in social media, given how fanatical pinoys with dota are.
TNC brought you out of hibernation!!!
lmao, TI will always be a special moment every year.
On August 20 2019 16:08 Yurie wrote: So many times VG threw fights. Playing the map great, doing good movements. Then not team fighting.
Paparazzi is going to get roasted, hard, if VG loses this series.
I don't think Paparazzi was the one that drafted a donothing Magnus
I think Magnus did fine, he could not afford to do some half ass RPs, he had to hit better and better RPs as the game went on because VG's teamfight was lackluster, he had too much on his shoulders.
Not blaming Fade, Magnus was just a bad pick partially for the reasons you stated
The draft as a whole was lacking CC, I don't see a hero which could have completed the other 4 while not leaving VG totally helpless against rage or BKBs.
Something like a Shaker or a Tusk, heroes with good counter initiation and relatively low cooldown CC. Magnus without his 2 minute cd ult is just a buffbot which is pretty bad when you need that CC to teamfight and are buffing a carry who is himself reliant on long CDs to fight.
VG slowly lost the game because they'd get kills without RP+Omnislash, then TNC would just buyback and take Rosh or something which gave them time to get their buybacks back because VG was afraid to fight into Aegis. Or the crap at the TNC high ground.
Lul...Heen just mentioned that the new feature to be able to hear your team speak during the match to catch the emotions is quite cool but they did not speak english during the game, so he was not able to understand what they have spoken.
On August 20 2019 16:28 Orome wrote: You also have to remember that you notice crowd bias more when it's against your teams. As someone who tends to cheer for the Chinese teams (though not the slightest bit Chinese myself), I've watched so many tournaments where I feel no one ever cheers for them. 90%+ of non-Chinese fans in live audiences seem to cheer for pretty much every non-Chinese team over every Chinese team (with the possible exception of Burning/Fy teams). The only reason it's a bit more balanced at NA TIs is because there's a large contingent of fans with Chinese roots there.
I do hope it gets better this TI though. I mean the level of sound seems fucking amazing, would be awesome if it were more balanced.
Oh come on, I don't remember such plays being followed by global silence in other tourneys, no matter the team.
On August 20 2019 16:28 Orome wrote: You also have to remember that you notice crowd bias more when it's against your teams. As someone who tends to cheer for the Chinese teams (though not the slightest bit Chinese myself), I've watched so many tournaments where I feel no one ever cheers for them. 90%+ of non-Chinese fans in live audiences seem to cheer for pretty much every non-Chinese team over every Chinese team (with the possible exception of Burning/Fy teams). The only reason it's a bit more balanced at NA TIs is because there's a large contingent of fans with Chinese roots there.
I do hope it gets better this TI though. I mean the level of sound seems fucking amazing, would be awesome if it were more balanced.
Oh come on, I don't remember such plays being followed by global silence in other tourneys, no matter the team.
On August 20 2019 16:28 Orome wrote: You also have to remember that you notice crowd bias more when it's against your teams. As someone who tends to cheer for the Chinese teams (though not the slightest bit Chinese myself), I've watched so many tournaments where I feel no one ever cheers for them. 90%+ of non-Chinese fans in live audiences seem to cheer for pretty much every non-Chinese team over every Chinese team (with the possible exception of Burning/Fy teams). The only reason it's a bit more balanced at NA TIs is because there's a large contingent of fans with Chinese roots there.
I do hope it gets better this TI though. I mean the level of sound seems fucking amazing, would be awesome if it were more balanced.
Oh come on, I don't remember such plays being followed by global silence in other tourneys, no matter the team.
Maybe not exactly as bad, but I remember loads and loads of moments where I was slightly annoyed at extreme crowd bias. That's kind of my point, I think one tends to feel these things much more strongly when it happens against your team.
Letting TNC get a Bristle is not a good idea, they always play him as pos 1 and have a pretty good win rate with him, know how to utilise and play around him, also suits their aggressive play style.
On August 20 2019 16:49 Ramiz1989 wrote: One bright thing in VG's lineup is Shadow Demon, and if this game goes long, Aghs will absolutely destroy Bristleback.
The dark side of it is that it is position 5 SD, look at WD last game for reference on his farm.
On August 20 2019 16:49 Ramiz1989 wrote: One bright thing in VG's lineup is Shadow Demon, and if this game goes long, Aghs will absolutely destroy Bristleback.
The dark side of it is that it is position 5 SD, look at WD last game for reference on his farm.
Jesus Christ, even if TNC loses all their remaining games, they are guaranteed millionaires back here in the Philippines. If they manage to climb up more, will set them up for life.
VG was completely lost in that fight, naix was just walking around for seconds before realizing he was trapped by fissure, and then trying to walk all the way around
On August 20 2019 17:01 Yurie wrote: Bristle using his solar on rubick and tide using his on bristle while naix hits him from the front. If that happens again BB just dies again.
He has BKB now, Bristle isn't dying while Magic Immune, there is no stun/slow to stop him and he is just much faster than Naix.
Paparazi took the fucking aghs instead of giving it to SD for auto win? WHAT? This is reminiscent of early 2018 VG when they deliberately ignored giving aghs to support Naga when running Alch strats.
On August 20 2019 17:24 babysimba wrote: Tide is becoming a carry too.
L25: +250 Damage ... yeah... but I think the tide is not itemized for that... 25% cooldown reduction would help for Ult, refresher, maybe upcoming sheepstick, ...
On August 20 2019 17:24 babysimba wrote: Tide is becoming a carry too.
L25: +250 Damage ... yeah... but I think the tide is not itemized for that... 25% cooldown reduction would help for Ult, refresher, maybe upcoming sheepstick, ...
Tide does not really need items to become carry, anchor smash and damage talent is enough.
On August 20 2019 17:26 Ufnal wrote: So I alt-tabbed for a minute and VG has gained like 20k lead advantage, what happened? o.o
TNC forced a bad fights as usual, Gabbi is playing over-aggressive with Bristle even though he is tanky, he is going to die when he gets chain-cced without anyone to help him.
Tobi says "space created" all game to sound sophisticated when he doesn't even know what it means. I'm about to switch to some chinese stream because of him.
ld winter is still the best pair. ld has rich vocabulary while winter has a very systematic and logical analysis although synd is better in expressing his thought.
On August 20 2019 17:57 Skillver wrote: Stop bitching on Tobi, by far the best caster out there at the moment.
I dont know what the hell is going on, but everyone is just bitching about everything (here and on reddit aswell). Come on, just enjoy the best Dota of the year.
On August 20 2019 17:57 Skillver wrote: Stop bitching on Tobi, by far the best caster out there at the moment.
Totally agree. Maybe not the best at describing what is happening but the best at hyping whatever you are watching. Hope him and Synd will cast grand final.
On August 20 2019 17:59 icystorage wrote: best caster is ayesee
sabers = rattled
With both teams having turned their bagels into breadsticks already I think we'll be seeing two robust lineups with lots of reach initiating from downtown
On August 20 2019 17:57 Skillver wrote: Stop bitching on Tobi, by far the best caster out there at the moment.
LMAO yeah if you have the understanding of 3-4k MMR I guess he is.
You've missed the point, maybe you're expecting top notch analysis from the play by play caster but some of us expect him to bring something else to the table and don't mind if he occasionally makes some wrong points during the game.
On August 20 2019 17:59 icystorage wrote: best caster is ayesee
sabers = rattled
With both teams having turned their bagels into breadsticks already I think we'll be seeing two robust lineups with lots of reach initiating from downtown
On August 20 2019 17:57 Skillver wrote: Stop bitching on Tobi, by far the best caster out there at the moment.
I dont know what the hell is going on, but everyone is just bitching about everything (here and on reddit aswell). Come on, just enjoy the best Dota of the year.
edit: just check this loser on top of my post
"Loser" yeah god forbid me actually wanting a normal knowledgeable caster instead of a guy that most memorable line is him shouting "BLACKHOOOOOOLE". Oh my god so hype.
On August 20 2019 17:57 Skillver wrote: Stop bitching on Tobi, by far the best caster out there at the moment.
LMAO yeah if you have the understanding of 3-4k MMR I guess he is.
You've missed the point, maybe you're expecting top notch analysis from the play by play caster but some of us expect him to bring something else to the table and don't mind if he occasionally makes some wrong points during the game.
Tobi had a phase like 2 years ago where he'd constantly try to disagree with his analyst. That was annoying as hell, but he's gotten much better at it from what I've seen recently. I still prefer analysts only for anything other than like the final days of TI, but if there has to be a hype guy, I'd take Tobi over anyone not named LD.
As someone who now mostly only turns in to watch the international, these "new" cosmetics really make it hard to recognize some heroes. For example, I initally thought that medusa was a veno, and I also wasnt sure if it's an earthshaker or an elder titan
On August 20 2019 17:57 Skillver wrote: Stop bitching on Tobi, by far the best caster out there at the moment.
LMAO yeah if you have the understanding of 3-4k MMR I guess he is.
You've missed the point, maybe you're expecting top notch analysis from the play by play caster but some of us expect him to bring something else to the table and don't mind if he occasionally makes some wrong points during the game.
Don't know, I am not sure how you can call ODPixel boring, he actually throws in memes and can cast for 2 minutes of W33ha kiting Liquid with his Timbersaw, getting few kills in the process, and ODPixel losing the voice because of that. He also catches most of the stuff happening in the game and unlike Toby isn't making a dumb comments that make no sense, or just states things that are straight up wrong. Yeah somebody isn't bothered by that, I am.
On August 20 2019 17:57 Skillver wrote: Stop bitching on Tobi, by far the best caster out there at the moment.
LMAO yeah if you have the understanding of 3-4k MMR I guess he is.
Yeah that's my MMR I guess. I care about entertainment, and that's why he is a play-by-play commentator coupled with someone who has a better understanding of details.
On August 20 2019 18:07 Mafe wrote: As someone who now mostly only turns in to watch the international, these "new" cosmetics really make it hard to recognize some heroes. For example, I initally thought that medusa was a veno, and I also wasnt sure if it's an earthshaker or an elder titan
same here. I remember at the very beginning the tremendous outrage about cowboy ursa or whatever, but now they just don't give a shit anymore, completely change a hero color palette, silhouette and portrait making them unrecognizable for people that played the game 3 fucking years...
Obviously it's not that big a deal, you see it once and then you know, but it's just funny considering all the design documents, talk about color palette and all that stuff in the early days. But you know what getting 33 million prize pool for TI really does make it worth it.
On August 20 2019 18:07 Mafe wrote: As someone who now mostly only turns in to watch the international, these "new" cosmetics really make it hard to recognize some heroes. For example, I initally thought that medusa was a veno, and I also wasnt sure if it's an earthshaker or an elder titan
same here. I remember at the very beginning the tremendous outrage about cowboy ursa or whatever, but now they just don't give a shit anymore, completely change a hero color palette, silhouette and portrait making them unrecognizable for people that played the game 3 fucking years...
Obviously it's not that big a deal, you see it once and then you know, but it's just funny considering all the design documents, talk about color palette and all that stuff in the early days. But you know what getting 33 million prize pool for TI really does make it worth it.
Same here, I have real problems with Axe for example.
On August 20 2019 18:14 Shergal wrote: wait so panelists were scared of brood snowballing the game when a centaur was there? centaur has been a brood counter since like 2014...
Maybe TNC is not a Brood-team. Matu did win this matchup against S4 at MDL Major...
On August 20 2019 19:11 Elurie wrote: The Alliance segment on the chinese stream is completely different, with them at them at the park doing team bonding shit.
Russian stream got both the Slacks segment and that one. that one was funny, Slacks one explained why Olsior never got to interview Loda.
That attempted gank onto Setsu is basically Alliance's TI in a nutshell. Ult used - nice catch - clean gank - oh wait he lived and we lost 2 cores instead.
Whatever silly Void taunt is making the register noise needs a cooldown if even "pros" are going to be inconsiderate and spam it non-stop when it's being played over a loudspeaker. Cheering for Void to die to make it stop!
On August 20 2019 20:22 SeethingErmine wrote: Whatever silly Void taunt is making the register noise needs a cooldown if even "pros" are going to be inconsiderate and spam it non-stop when it's being played over a loudspeaker. Cheering for Void to die to make it stop!
Oh the Ding was a Void taunt? That's as annoying as the tire screeching of Tiny.
What the hell guys , what a way to lose .... , Storm just suicides, I honestly not sure what was the pressure to fight , get your BB up , you have 3 of the best late game carries in the game with Void/Gyro/Storm ..... what the hell
On August 20 2019 20:26 bluzi wrote: What the hell guys , what a way to lose .... , Storm just suicides, I honestly not sure what was the pressure to fight , get your BB up , you have 3 of the best late game carries in the game with Void/Gyro/Storm ..... what the hell
Even with BB they lose there. Chrono was the only thing allowing them to hold up against AM. RNG used a BB to get a CD and won.
On August 20 2019 20:26 bluzi wrote: What the hell guys , what a way to lose .... , Storm just suicides, I honestly not sure what was the pressure to fight , get your BB up , you have 3 of the best late game carries in the game with Void/Gyro/Storm ..... what the hell
They already were behind, they went all-in in big items to take a good fight but things went wrong... c'est la vie.
On August 20 2019 21:13 Ufnal wrote: Were the VP v LGD games any good? Worth watching replays if I missed them? (first games start at 4am around here -.-)
They were solid high level dota. Nothing to really recommend them apart from that.
On August 20 2019 21:13 Ufnal wrote: Were the VP v LGD games any good? Worth watching replays if I missed them? (first games start at 4am around here -.-)
LGD stomped VP two times in a row. Not really mcuh to watch.
On August 20 2019 21:50 Ramiz1989 wrote: Fnatic's lineup has no hard carry, it's all about Blackhole and Liquid knows that if they play spread out around it, they can't really lose a fight.
On August 20 2019 21:50 pellejohnson wrote: Awful plays all around from fnatic. Getting the 3 free kills and converting them into nada and now this botched fight.
See ya next year fnatic (or not?)
How are they even supposed to take rax or rosh after a good fight? Edict and eidolons only?
On August 20 2019 21:49 ShiaoPi wrote: that whiff is going to haunt DJ for a while
I'm not sure whether this was a whiff or whether TL positioned so well that DJ had no chance to do anything and decided to try and help Kunkka escape at the very least.
Besides, a very cool finale, even the crowd got loud. <3
On August 20 2019 21:50 pellejohnson wrote: Awful plays all around from fnatic. Getting the 3 free kills and converting them into nada and now this botched fight.
See ya next year fnatic (or not?)
How are they even supposed to take rax or rosh after a good fight? Edict and eidolons only?
On August 20 2019 22:11 DucK- wrote: Jabz choke again. Time for 23savage abed ice3 dj Jabz new lineup?
It's going to be a massive shuffle this year. Maybe Secret & OG will stick together regardless of outcome, but only the TI winner is really likely to keep the same roster. (I'd expect OG to take until February off anyway.)
On August 20 2019 22:11 DucK- wrote: Jabz choke again. Time for 23savage abed ice3 dj Jabz new lineup?
It's going to be a massive shuffle this year. Maybe Secret & OG will stick together regardless of outcome, but only the TI winner is really likely to keep the same roster. (I'd expect OG to take until February off anyway.)
Can't think of who else would fit in a sea all star lineup without touching pinoy teams.
Congrats to Infamous, though they definitely looked better than Keen in groups. They have a legitimate chance to beat Newbee, unless Newbee pull a massive upset.
On August 20 2019 23:42 Derity wrote: So, knowing already all the results, what games are recommended to watch?
TNC vs VG Game 1. Rest of the matches haven't been great, all things considered.
Yeah, teams do not look to have an accurate understanding of the patch and their own strengths, they ride the flow of the game more than anything. Can't see a clear plan like EG opening the map to farm their cores and relying on their lategame, liquid preparing for a sick timing or VP heating up the game because they know they're more comfortable in the chaos.
On August 20 2019 23:42 Derity wrote: So, knowing already all the results, what games are recommended to watch?
TNC vs VG Game 1. Rest of the matches haven't been great, all things considered.
Yeah, teams do not look to have an accurate understanding of the patch and their own strengths, they ride the flow of the game more than anything. Can't see a clear plan like EG opening the map to farm their cores and relying on their lategame, liquid preparing for a sick timing or VP heating up the game because they know they're more comfortable in the chaos.
Group play was really irratic, almost across the board. Only team that seemed on top of their coordination was OG. VG, Secret and LGD all had a lot of really wonky moments. Meta wasn't cancerous or anything, but it felt like a pretty weak group stage. Though that might just be because it seems like a really weak mid-field this year.
On August 21 2019 00:26 Derity wrote: i dont understand why did go for throne with only 20 seconds left on the respawns, should have gone for toplane
Na'Vi qualified through the CIS region.
Will this be one of those games where the CIS team builds a big lead and then drags the game out for 30 more minutes, unable to close it out without clowning?
On August 21 2019 00:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is WK harder of a carry than Sven
Sven falls off as the BKB timer goes down and he gets slot limited. Though WK isn't necessarily much different.
Weird part of this game is that everyone has such large ranged damage, it really can go either way. Though there's the looming Late Game Enigma timing.
On August 21 2019 00:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is WK harder of a carry than Sven
Sven falls off as the BKB timer goes down and he gets slot limited. Though WK isn't necessarily much different.
Weird part of this game is that everyone has such large ranged damage, it really can go either way. Though there's the looming Late Game Enigma timing.
That enigma isn't much of a threat with 2 bkb piercing stuns from the other side. And like all 5 heroes who can stop blackhole without bkb
On August 21 2019 00:40 St.Velten wrote: What killed navis mid barracks? i totally missed it
Navi were diving for the throne, lost several heroes and then mineski managed to get across the map to destroy Navis mid rax just before most of Navi were about to respawn.
On August 21 2019 00:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is WK harder of a carry than Sven
Sven falls off as the BKB timer goes down and he gets slot limited. Though WK isn't necessarily much different.
Weird part of this game is that everyone has such large ranged damage, it really can go either way. Though there's the looming Late Game Enigma timing.
That enigma isn't much of a threat with 2 bkb piercing stuns from the other side. And like all 5 heroes who can stop blackhole without bkb
this is such a bad enigma game
Aghs & Hex will come soon, which is when Enigma gets nuts.
On August 21 2019 00:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is WK harder of a carry than Sven
Sven falls off as the BKB timer goes down and he gets slot limited. Though WK isn't necessarily much different.
Weird part of this game is that everyone has such large ranged damage, it really can go either way. Though there's the looming Late Game Enigma timing.
That enigma isn't much of a threat with 2 bkb piercing stuns from the other side. And like all 5 heroes who can stop blackhole without bkb
this is such a bad enigma game
Aghs & Hex will come soon, which is when Enigma gets nuts.
hex is good but isn't enigma aghs just tied with his ult ? anyways doesn't matter
On August 21 2019 00:53 _Elendil wrote: Na'Vi basically suicided with that T4 push. Magical popped bkb a second before dying and so couldn't bkb tp after aegis expired.
Then some really weird Zayac initiations destroyed their chances.
On August 21 2019 00:51 Zea! wrote: don't know... with exception of OG/Secret eastern dota seems way better than west this TI
Yep. Actually only OG since LGD has shown they can beat Secret but mostly yeah.
This is like TI5 Era all over again where the west owns everybody pre-TI then the east overall outperforms them at TI(or at least just chinese teams at that time)
On August 21 2019 00:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is WK harder of a carry than Sven
Sven falls off as the BKB timer goes down and he gets slot limited. Though WK isn't necessarily much different.
Weird part of this game is that everyone has such large ranged damage, it really can go either way. Though there's the looming Late Game Enigma timing.
That enigma isn't much of a threat with 2 bkb piercing stuns from the other side. And like all 5 heroes who can stop blackhole without bkb
this is such a bad enigma game
Aghs & Hex will come soon, which is when Enigma gets nuts.
hex is good but isn't enigma aghs just tied with his ult ? anyways doesn't matter
mineski woooon
What it does is make the other team dance around the Enigma even more, while Enigma can wait on their target even more. Especially as the Refresher + Aghs means you can 100-0 any enemy.
On August 21 2019 00:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is WK harder of a carry than Sven
Sven falls off as the BKB timer goes down and he gets slot limited. Though WK isn't necessarily much different.
Weird part of this game is that everyone has such large ranged damage, it really can go either way. Though there's the looming Late Game Enigma timing.
That enigma isn't much of a threat with 2 bkb piercing stuns from the other side. And like all 5 heroes who can stop blackhole without bkb
this is such a bad enigma game
Aghs & Hex will come soon, which is when Enigma gets nuts.
hex is good but isn't enigma aghs just tied with his ult ? anyways doesn't matter
mineski woooon
What it does is make the other team dance around the Enigma even more, while Enigma can wait on their target even more. Especially as the Refresher + Aghs means you can 100-0 any enemy.
Doesn't bkb negate all the damage from the aghs ult ? I mean if somebody cancels it
I guess this game enigma played more of the threat than its actual value this game.
On August 21 2019 00:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is WK harder of a carry than Sven
Sven falls off as the BKB timer goes down and he gets slot limited. Though WK isn't necessarily much different.
Weird part of this game is that everyone has such large ranged damage, it really can go either way. Though there's the looming Late Game Enigma timing.
That enigma isn't much of a threat with 2 bkb piercing stuns from the other side. And like all 5 heroes who can stop blackhole without bkb
this is such a bad enigma game
Aghs & Hex will come soon, which is when Enigma gets nuts.
hex is good but isn't enigma aghs just tied with his ult ? anyways doesn't matter
mineski woooon
What it does is make the other team dance around the Enigma even more, while Enigma can wait on their target even more. Especially as the Refresher + Aghs means you can 100-0 any enemy.
Doesn't bkb negate all the damage from the aghs ult ? I mean if somebody cancels it
I guess this game enigma played more of the threat than its actual value this game.
Late Game Enigma stacks % Pure damage. It's this really weird timer where your pos 4 suddenly does the most reliable damage in the game. Because Mineski had two tanky frontliners, Kpii just had to wait and stalk the most valuable target. The threat is real, but the impact requires setup. But the team playing against it has to consider it like a tactical nuke waiting out there.
Enigma causes weird things to happen after 50 minutes.
On August 21 2019 00:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is WK harder of a carry than Sven
Sven falls off as the BKB timer goes down and he gets slot limited. Though WK isn't necessarily much different.
Weird part of this game is that everyone has such large ranged damage, it really can go either way. Though there's the looming Late Game Enigma timing.
That enigma isn't much of a threat with 2 bkb piercing stuns from the other side. And like all 5 heroes who can stop blackhole without bkb
this is such a bad enigma game
Aghs & Hex will come soon, which is when Enigma gets nuts.
hex is good but isn't enigma aghs just tied with his ult ? anyways doesn't matter
mineski woooon
What it does is make the other team dance around the Enigma even more, while Enigma can wait on their target even more. Especially as the Refresher + Aghs means you can 100-0 any enemy.
Doesn't bkb negate all the damage from the aghs ult ? I mean if somebody cancels it
I guess this game enigma played more of the threat than its actual value this game.
midnight pulses damage isnt blocked by magic immunity afaik
Oh wow RNG saw Alliance panicking and knew they fucked up with the Gyro ban accidentally turned into pick lmao. 'They have hands on their head, they're goners now'
On August 21 2019 00:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is WK harder of a carry than Sven
Sven falls off as the BKB timer goes down and he gets slot limited. Though WK isn't necessarily much different.
Weird part of this game is that everyone has such large ranged damage, it really can go either way. Though there's the looming Late Game Enigma timing.
That enigma isn't much of a threat with 2 bkb piercing stuns from the other side. And like all 5 heroes who can stop blackhole without bkb
this is such a bad enigma game
Aghs & Hex will come soon, which is when Enigma gets nuts.
hex is good but isn't enigma aghs just tied with his ult ? anyways doesn't matter
mineski woooon
What it does is make the other team dance around the Enigma even more, while Enigma can wait on their target even more. Especially as the Refresher + Aghs means you can 100-0 any enemy.
Doesn't bkb negate all the damage from the aghs ult ? I mean if somebody cancels it
I guess this game enigma played more of the threat than its actual value this game.
Late Game Enigma stacks % Pure damage. It's this really weird timer where your pos 4 suddenly does the most reliable damage in the game. Because Mineski had two tanky frontliners, Kpii just had to wait and stalk the most valuable target. The threat is real, but the impact requires setup. But the team playing against it has to consider it like a tactical nuke waiting out there.
Enigma causes weird things to happen after 50 minutes.
On August 21 2019 00:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Is WK harder of a carry than Sven
Sven falls off as the BKB timer goes down and he gets slot limited. Though WK isn't necessarily much different.
Weird part of this game is that everyone has such large ranged damage, it really can go either way. Though there's the looming Late Game Enigma timing.
That enigma isn't much of a threat with 2 bkb piercing stuns from the other side. And like all 5 heroes who can stop blackhole without bkb
this is such a bad enigma game
Aghs & Hex will come soon, which is when Enigma gets nuts.
hex is good but isn't enigma aghs just tied with his ult ? anyways doesn't matter
mineski woooon
What it does is make the other team dance around the Enigma even more, while Enigma can wait on their target even more. Especially as the Refresher + Aghs means you can 100-0 any enemy.
Doesn't bkb negate all the damage from the aghs ult ? I mean if somebody cancels it
I guess this game enigma played more of the threat than its actual value this game.
midnight pulses damage isnt blocked by magic immunity afaik
Ok that's a new a thing i learned about lategame enigma. That's interesting. Always thought dude is just a walking blackhole lol
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