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juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 10 2019 12:01 GMT
#101
Mind Control is just so useless and his Dooms are either not there or they're awful
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 10 2019 12:03 GMT
#102
On May 10 2019 21:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 20:50 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 10 2019 20:48 Ramiz1989 wrote:
One more game where Medusa is just free to do anything she wants. Also Viper doesn't do anything against this lineup.


TL drafted to dominate the lanes like NiP did to VG, but they didn't dominate like they wanted and didn't defend their towers properly.

Which is strange, because Viper definitely doesn't dominate Medusa and usually gets more out of that lane than against a lot of other popular mid heroes. Viper is not about lane domination nowadays with how they are playing him, it's all about maxing second spell, stacking camps, then farming mid rotate to jungle, get the camps, rotate back mid and so forth until he gets Greaves/Atos/Whatever is needed for 5 man pushes. But unless you need that break from his Nethertoxin, there are far better heroes for that role.



Medusa was drafted after Viper. Medusa was a good counter-pick to TL's line up.
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
May 10 2019 12:05 GMT
#103
On May 10 2019 21:01 juuto wrote:
Mind Control is just so useless and his Dooms are either not there or they're awful

Liquid hasn't been able to start a single fight on their own terms, VG forces them to counter-initiations or disengages and that's not good for doom.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 10 2019 12:05 GMT
#104
On May 10 2019 21:03 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 21:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On May 10 2019 20:50 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 10 2019 20:48 Ramiz1989 wrote:
One more game where Medusa is just free to do anything she wants. Also Viper doesn't do anything against this lineup.


TL drafted to dominate the lanes like NiP did to VG, but they didn't dominate like they wanted and didn't defend their towers properly.

Which is strange, because Viper definitely doesn't dominate Medusa and usually gets more out of that lane than against a lot of other popular mid heroes. Viper is not about lane domination nowadays with how they are playing him, it's all about maxing second spell, stacking camps, then farming mid rotate to jungle, get the camps, rotate back mid and so forth until he gets Greaves/Atos/Whatever is needed for 5 man pushes. But unless you need that break from his Nethertoxin, there are far better heroes for that role.



Medusa was drafted after Viper. Medusa was a good counter-pick to TL's line up.

But I mean as I said, Viper isn't such lane dominator as he was before, at least they are not building him that way, he wouldn't stop enemy mid from farming most likely, no matter what would be the other midder.

But scratch that, we are back the my problem that I've stated like 3 days ago, how are these top teams constantly letting Medusa being picked as 3rd/4th/5th pick and just lose the game to it...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
MetalMercury
Profile Joined January 2015
United States1161 Posts
May 10 2019 12:06 GMT
#105
On May 10 2019 21:01 Snakesneaks wrote:
just realize that TL is not even in top 8 DPC ranking


Liquid isn't a top 8 team based on performance so far this year.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 10 2019 12:08 GMT
#106
On May 10 2019 21:05 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 21:03 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 10 2019 21:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On May 10 2019 20:50 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 10 2019 20:48 Ramiz1989 wrote:
One more game where Medusa is just free to do anything she wants. Also Viper doesn't do anything against this lineup.


TL drafted to dominate the lanes like NiP did to VG, but they didn't dominate like they wanted and didn't defend their towers properly.

Which is strange, because Viper definitely doesn't dominate Medusa and usually gets more out of that lane than against a lot of other popular mid heroes. Viper is not about lane domination nowadays with how they are playing him, it's all about maxing second spell, stacking camps, then farming mid rotate to jungle, get the camps, rotate back mid and so forth until he gets Greaves/Atos/Whatever is needed for 5 man pushes. But unless you need that break from his Nethertoxin, there are far better heroes for that role.



Medusa was drafted after Viper. Medusa was a good counter-pick to TL's line up.

But I mean as I said, Viper isn't such lane dominator as he was before, at least they are not building him that way, he wouldn't stop enemy mid from farming most likely, no matter what would be the other midder.

But scratch that, we are back the my problem that I've stated like 3 days ago, how are these top teams constantly letting Medusa being picked as 3rd/4th/5th pick and just lose the game to it...


If you don't have a layered draft to protect the Medusa, she can just be controlled while the rest of the team is killed. The Disruptor made it work because that wall locked in all of those heroes.
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
May 10 2019 12:14 GMT
#107
I'm surprised how freely teams let Rhasta through at the moment. Hero is showing so much impact and needs very little to do that. Other high priority supports like Abaddon don't feel nearly as impactful (or are more inconsistent anyways) in what I've seen.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 10 2019 12:19 GMT
#108
On May 10 2019 21:08 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 21:05 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On May 10 2019 21:03 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 10 2019 21:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On May 10 2019 20:50 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 10 2019 20:48 Ramiz1989 wrote:
One more game where Medusa is just free to do anything she wants. Also Viper doesn't do anything against this lineup.


TL drafted to dominate the lanes like NiP did to VG, but they didn't dominate like they wanted and didn't defend their towers properly.

Which is strange, because Viper definitely doesn't dominate Medusa and usually gets more out of that lane than against a lot of other popular mid heroes. Viper is not about lane domination nowadays with how they are playing him, it's all about maxing second spell, stacking camps, then farming mid rotate to jungle, get the camps, rotate back mid and so forth until he gets Greaves/Atos/Whatever is needed for 5 man pushes. But unless you need that break from his Nethertoxin, there are far better heroes for that role.



Medusa was drafted after Viper. Medusa was a good counter-pick to TL's line up.

But I mean as I said, Viper isn't such lane dominator as he was before, at least they are not building him that way, he wouldn't stop enemy mid from farming most likely, no matter what would be the other midder.

But scratch that, we are back the my problem that I've stated like 3 days ago, how are these top teams constantly letting Medusa being picked as 3rd/4th/5th pick and just lose the game to it...


If you don't have a layered draft to protect the Medusa, she can just be controlled while the rest of the team is killed. The Disruptor made it work because that wall locked in all of those heroes.

That's how most lineups usually work, you build your lineup around protecting somebody and buying time for him to come online, of course you are not going to just pick Medusa and 4 squishies without control. Not sure what's there to argue here. You don't need some extraordinary draft that is hard to execute for Medusa to come online and to protect her in teamfights.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 10 2019 12:20 GMT
#109


Bulldog knows what's up.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 10 2019 12:20 GMT
#110
let's hope we have an ace up our sleeves to make the comeback happen
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 10 2019 12:21 GMT
#111
Oh boy, VG throwing already.
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
May 10 2019 12:22 GMT
#112
Drow ignored.
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
May 10 2019 12:24 GMT
#113
Does rotk hate Yang or what's the deal with this furion pick?
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 10 2019 12:24 GMT
#114
VG banned the Viper?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 10 2019 12:32 GMT
#115
Brooded 1-1
Neosteel Enthusiast
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
May 10 2019 12:33 GMT
#116
MATU BROOD!
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
May 10 2019 12:33 GMT
#117
There you go...if in doubt and allowed, pick Brood.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
May 10 2019 12:39 GMT
#118
On May 10 2019 21:33 kerpal wrote:
MATU BROOD!

matu brood :/
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
May 10 2019 12:45 GMT
#119
i miss miracle being flashy skillful mid while matu plays active carry role
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44163 Posts
May 10 2019 12:45 GMT
#120
I can't actually tell who has the better lategame ( think liquid lineup powerspike is in the midgame tho) but i feel like if VG gets ahead alot liquid is pretty much dead
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