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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Still Secret to win it all | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
for the love of god stop giving ace drow, ppd! 4th place is nothing to sneeze at, though, considering how bad nip looked coming in to the tournament. | ||
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PoulsenB
Poland7711 Posts
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dragonswarrior
389 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On November 18 2018 02:17 Achaian wrote: *watches nip vs eg lower bracket* for the love of god stop giving ace drow, ppd! 4th place is nothing to sneeze at, though, considering how bad nip looked coming in to the tournament. I watched it too. That was brutal. NiP was 50 hp on the TB from going 2-0. | ||
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crocshark
139 Posts
On November 18 2018 02:17 Achaian wrote: *watches nip vs eg lower bracket* for the love of god stop giving ace drow, ppd! 4th place is nothing to sneeze at, though, considering how bad nip looked coming in to the tournament. Drow was the smart pick for game 2 because they went for early pushing. In game 3, she cant do anything because she lost in late game and in midgamr she couldnt push or outfarm tb. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
VP plowed EG as a well-oiled Dota machine. Another noone play against all of EG in the same area as the last play. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4356 Posts
Ramzes 15 - 0 - 24 Noone 14 - 0 - 19 | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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BigO
Sweden956 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
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550
418 Posts
its inexcusable saving costs in expense of a good playing environment plus theres the crowd and the casters on LIVE pretty ridiculous tbh games become just initiation and panic runs n stuff, much less fluid | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On November 18 2018 13:57 550 wrote: i think the no booths thing is really too much its inexcusable saving costs in expense of a good playing environment plus theres the crowd and the casters on LIVE pretty ridiculous tbh games become just initiation and panic runs n stuff, much less fluid There's been tons of tournaments in the past with no booths (such as every starladder) How come people are going crazy about this now | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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Nagvalk
South Africa220 Posts
Ban Arc Warden, TB and morph, pick Spectre and there are no carries left. That jugg got run over, Luna is garbage tier - just so few options. | ||
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550
418 Posts
On November 18 2018 14:09 TomatoBisque wrote: Expected outcome, VP crushed NIP and NIP almost (should have?) beat EG There's been tons of tournaments in the past with no booths (such as every starladder) How come people are going crazy about this now i just feel its a much different fluidness than when they played on better environments plus with live casters n crowd i played tournaments before on this setup everything is kinda blur and just happens like whatever its not just distracting, its filled with loopholes, if theres no booths, atleast make them play on a closed partition/environment, like a 20 30 person room segment in dreamleague wouldve been much better (the stream n production was nice though, just these final days) disappoint =/ | ||
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crocshark
139 Posts
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nVme
952 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
On November 18 2018 14:24 nVme wrote: what are they doing to fill this 2.5 hr break? I think there's a decent chance they move it up a bit, will be keeping an eye on the countdown timer on the stream | ||
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nVme
952 Posts
On November 18 2018 14:30 a-game wrote: I think there's a decent chance they move it up a bit, will be keeping an eye on the countdown timer on the stream break should def be around 1-2hrs at the least thought cause vp just played and it is a bo5 | ||
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crocshark
139 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
On November 18 2018 14:31 nVme wrote: break should def be around 1-2hrs at the least thought cause vp just played and it is a bo5 They just moved it up, GF starts in 5 mins now. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
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uthgard
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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uthgard
2098 Posts
On November 18 2018 15:16 uthgard wrote: centaur picked, 0-1 VP easiest prediction of my life | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On November 18 2018 16:01 HaXxorIzed wrote: VP really are something else when they get rolling. You also don't often see the Pos 1 Brewmaster. | ||
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arghyad1
India243 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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ShiaoPi
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
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Faruko
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Faruko
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babysimba
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ShiaoPi
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ShiaoPi
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
Where are the aggressive tips now? | ||
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Faruko
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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ShiaoPi
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Faruko
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crocshark
139 Posts
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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nVme
952 Posts
why is he pulling a puppey and being stubborn with picks? | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
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Faruko
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Faruko
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HaXxorIzed
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ShiaoPi
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Faruko
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ShiaoPi
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Faruko
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ShiaoPi
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ShiaoPi
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Faruko
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
!?!? | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Zea!
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Zea!
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ShiaoPi
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nVme
952 Posts
On November 18 2018 19:45 ShiaoPi wrote: That ravage from solo was insane still doesn’t wash out how bad he is on axe | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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ShiaoPi
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
I guess it's still fine. ES got early dagger. He needs to carry the tempo hard. | ||
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Faruko
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HaXxorIzed
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Faruko
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ShiaoPi
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
TI starts and they immediately drop 1-2 levels of play | ||
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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uthgard
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
You are already getting more farm from the map to ALSO have bounties | ||
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Zea!
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FreakyDroid
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Firebolt145
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On November 18 2018 20:52 Faruko wrote: Idk what happens with vp in ti compared to majors TI starts and they immediately drop 1-2 levels of play TI's meta changes at about twice the rate as any other tournament. This is also the problem the Fly/Notail OG generally had. Pasha hates this patch, haha. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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bluzi
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
Good guy Secret playing interesting dota. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On November 18 2018 20:58 Faruko wrote: I think bounty runes need a change, they ended up being too much of a prize for the winning team IMO You are already getting more farm from the map to ALSO have bounties The losing team can get crazy gold and XP from a single fight though. Gold is overflowing anyway, anything to reduce the income should be good. | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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babysimba
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Zea!
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On November 18 2018 21:01 nojok wrote: The losing team can get crazy gold and XP from a single fight though. Gold is overflowing anyway, anything to reduce the income should be good. one can only hope | ||
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DropBear
Australia4356 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On November 18 2018 21:01 nojok wrote: The losing team can get crazy gold and XP from a single fight though. Gold is overflowing anyway, anything to reduce the income should be good. doubt icefrog will remove bounty rune pacing since its reduced average match time. just hoping denies are nerfed again at the very least. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 18 2018 21:02 babysimba wrote: VP would have done well during TI8 if they sticked with their own playstyle Whst about TI7?) | ||
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Minishield
Italy145 Posts
Anyway i'm more excited that this major ended for the new patch coming cause this meta wasn't even that bad but it became boring. And i hope TB and AW get nerfed,if you can firstpick your core and win anyway there's something wrong for me. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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crocshark
139 Posts
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crocshark
139 Posts
Their playstyle at TI7 was bad tho. Most of their picks and playstyle revolve around snowballing hard or bust. They picked ursa , dk and lina which were midgame dominant but fell hard come lategame. Ended up losing everytime opponent pick a gyro that scale to lategame. I know they were dominating pre-TI7 but its the same snowball strategy. | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
During TI3-TI4, each team has such distinct playstyles, split push, teamfight, heavy tower pushing with all being equally viable. Now the major part of drafting is just countering of heroes in terms of laning and teamfight synergy. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On November 18 2018 21:11 Papercappu wrote: how do you even balance TB without making him garbage tier again. sunder & reflection talent are pretty broken but he felt strong before he even hit that stage nerf conjure image scaling would be the easiest. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On November 18 2018 21:12 babysimba wrote: Main problem isn't comeback gold. It's Icefrog making use of the talents to even out the power curve throughout the game, resulting in a very bland playstyle even though a lot more heroes are viable. During TI3-TI4, each team has such distinct playstyles, split push, teamfight, heavy tower pushing with all being equally viable. Now the major part of drafting is just countering of heroes in terms of laning and teamfight synergy. That's also very true, the power curves are way too similar now. Even the classic niche picks (I don't like calling them cheese) like ursa, brood and huskar do not snowball as hard early neither fall off that hard during the later part of the game. | ||
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crocshark
139 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
his reflection is better than DS ult. his metamorphosis is better than DK ult. sunder is a strong skill per se unless osfrog slaps the hard nerf on it. not to mention he has +3 agi attribute bonus. one can argue his str growth is mediocre, but who cares if dragon lance only costs 2k gold while sunder is available as the last safety net ? | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On November 18 2018 21:00 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Haven't I seen this already? VP winning tournaments by abusing cancer picks first half of the year only to get their faces broken at TI. Good guy Secret playing interesting dota. Not sure I understand the "their face broken in TI" , didn't they finish 5-6 ?? the god damn winners were OG?!?!! TI is TI , there is a reason no team have won it 2 times yet and no player was able to do so (if I recall correctly) , they are an amazing team and they perform well in TI as well , they lost to the elite teams and did great in the brackets. Were they the fav coming in with Liquid going into TI ? sure , and probably by their standards they should've done better , but objectively judging , they had a good TI , with a bad draw to get LGD in their first round , ce la vi. Also they are not abusing anything that other teams aren't abusing , they all play to win and play the same heroes , which is why we its called a Meta. Secret picking Arch Warden and TB as wel , and that Centaur all the time ..... nothing "interesting" other then fanboy's Bias , which is fine. tldr - VP are amazing , nothing was abusive as other teams are playing the same , blame the Meta not the teams (I hate TB , but he is a great hero currently, no denying that). They also didn't get their faces broken at TI , this is a misconception. | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4356 Posts
On November 18 2018 23:05 DucK- wrote: Remove talents. Give back random. 100% agree. Just bring back 6.88 even with a mild illusion nerf | ||
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