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I think LGD ought to be the best team of the three remaining. On the other hand, OG' s already beaten both LGD and EG. And finally, EG when they get going look as unbeatable as their all-star cast suggests.
I really have no idea who will win: I think LGD, but I'm really okay with anybody here. Even if EG really want to be the Yankees of Dota 2.
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I'm not sure who will win but man I don't know if i like both matches being on the same day. I feel like riding a high from the lower bracket final in to the grand final might be too big of an advantage compared to all the down time for OG
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Come on Evil Geniuses!
Nothing sweeter than beating OG in the finals, most BM team of the tournament by far.
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On August 26 2018 01:17 ahw wrote:
I'm not sure who will win but man I don't know if i like both matches being on the same day. I feel like riding a high from the lower bracket final in to the grand final might be too big of an advantage compared to all the down time for OG
Virtually every tournament uses this scheduling, though, so teams know what to expect. I have no idea whether the UB winner or LB winner is favored historically.
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On August 26 2018 01:00 ahw wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2018 00:39 DropBear wrote:On August 26 2018 00:01 ahw wrote:On August 25 2018 23:39 DropBear wrote:On August 25 2018 22:20 ahw wrote:On August 25 2018 22:06 DropBear wrote:
However, if EG win I'm going to be devastated, they are utterly undeserving and unquestionably the villains. Arteezy has destroyed more teams and caused more players to be kicked, when really he was the problem, than Dendi and Loda combined. The last minute manner in which Fly and s4 fucked over their former teammates, denying them an opportunity to compete at the supermajor, was unacceptable. Notail and Ceb don't deserve to have to watch the traitors win glory. This is some reddit level posting tbh I come here to avoid this garbage I’ll elaborate. You compare this to traditional sports, where players change teams to win championships all the time. When your whole life is about playing this game at the highest level, you go where you think you will win. And that’s not even focusing on the economics behind it. A TI win for these players provides for them for a huge chunk of their life. You can’t afford to stick around on a middling team when you are in your prime. It’s just stupidity. When there are no sanctions in place preventing this, and there is 2-3 million at stake per player, they are going to do anything in their power to win. If not they don’t belong in professional sports. I’m a big fan of OG and their run, topsons been a lot of fun to watch. I’m a fan of EG. But we don’t know anything about how these teams operate and this artificial drama is stupid when we are talking about their careers and livelihood. Mate it's not that they left, it's how and when. Remember, it was literally they day there were leaving for China. OG had to surrender their spot at the Supermajor, a $1.5 million tournament, as a result, while EG still went. That's some economics for you. Your analogy is irrelevant because players switching teams in traditional sports doesn't cause their team to literally cease to be able to compete im saying players in pro sports have to be selfish because their careers are on timers. and tons of times stars switching teams in the nfl, nba, mlb, nhl, do, in fact, put their teams in the trash teir. sometimes for years or decades. supermajor, 550K 1st place finish, divided by 5 (or 6 with coach cut), divided by their org's take. so maybe 50K-75k per player? one year salary money. the international, 11 million first place, divided the same way, 1.5ish million per player. life changing money. idk i know what id focus on What is your point exactly? The ONLY relevant comparison with traditional sports is that fans and players sure as hell still get pissed off when players ditch their team. Again, your analogy is utterly irrelevant. All of your examples are competitions with a salary cap with a floor, of which a minimum must be paid to the players whether they win or lose. They also get paid if they don't play! The bonuses they get for winning are insignificant compared to their base wage. That is completely the opposite to how it works in Dota. As you said, that could be one whole year worth of salary. You win that tourney and you double up your pay for the year. OG were completely denied that opportunity by Fly and s4 moving at the time they did, organising it under the table as they did. This is a dick move, not taking into account any friendship situations. If you do take those into account, Fly in particular threw his best mate and his long time coach into the fire for potential winnings, when he already has about $1.5 million in prize money. Literally all of which was earned with their help. You feel that their potential financial gain is 100% justification for this. I disagree. That makes my posting garbage apparently. you dont have to look far back in pro sports for capless era movement. salary cap and floors are relatively new and a product of a developed product. esports isn't developed, its the wild west. my argument is that players are commodities with expiration dates, and moreso in esports than anywhere else. there arent long term sponsorships or retirement options for these guys like other athletes have. Nobody looks out for these guys but themselves. They have to earn what they earn as fast as possible, and they can't give 2 shits about anyone else, or they won't survive. players gotta focus on themselves or the sport won't work.
If you are seriously trying to argue that already these successful players with over a million bucks in the bank at age 25 have no future career prospects and are in a precarious financial position after dota then I don't know what else to say to you. What is to stop them going to university? Or working in any entry level job at all? It's not like their bodies are destroyed with 3 knee reconstructions or they have only a short time left until they retire altogether.
I completely disagree that players in this game need to focus purely on themselves. Dota is a team game not an individual game. Team harmony and trust in each other is far more important than individual skill. Players focusing entirely on themselves and running for cover when things get difficult doesn't work. Every single TI so far has been won by a team who played together for at least 6 months in the leadup. This is why Arteezy has never won TI and EG have always placed best without him in it, you can't trust or rely on him when the going gets tough.
At this point I can only assume that you're upset that people don't like EG because you like them. They have more haters than ever before with good reason. I firmly count myself as one of them and I will continue to post here. Deal with it.
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On August 26 2018 01:20 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2018 01:00 ahw wrote:On August 26 2018 00:39 DropBear wrote:On August 26 2018 00:01 ahw wrote:On August 25 2018 23:39 DropBear wrote:On August 25 2018 22:20 ahw wrote:On August 25 2018 22:06 DropBear wrote:
However, if EG win I'm going to be devastated, they are utterly undeserving and unquestionably the villains. Arteezy has destroyed more teams and caused more players to be kicked, when really he was the problem, than Dendi and Loda combined. The last minute manner in which Fly and s4 fucked over their former teammates, denying them an opportunity to compete at the supermajor, was unacceptable. Notail and Ceb don't deserve to have to watch the traitors win glory. This is some reddit level posting tbh I come here to avoid this garbage I’ll elaborate. You compare this to traditional sports, where players change teams to win championships all the time. When your whole life is about playing this game at the highest level, you go where you think you will win. And that’s not even focusing on the economics behind it. A TI win for these players provides for them for a huge chunk of their life. You can’t afford to stick around on a middling team when you are in your prime. It’s just stupidity. When there are no sanctions in place preventing this, and there is 2-3 million at stake per player, they are going to do anything in their power to win. If not they don’t belong in professional sports. I’m a big fan of OG and their run, topsons been a lot of fun to watch. I’m a fan of EG. But we don’t know anything about how these teams operate and this artificial drama is stupid when we are talking about their careers and livelihood. Mate it's not that they left, it's how and when. Remember, it was literally they day there were leaving for China. OG had to surrender their spot at the Supermajor, a $1.5 million tournament, as a result, while EG still went. That's some economics for you. Your analogy is irrelevant because players switching teams in traditional sports doesn't cause their team to literally cease to be able to compete im saying players in pro sports have to be selfish because their careers are on timers. and tons of times stars switching teams in the nfl, nba, mlb, nhl, do, in fact, put their teams in the trash teir. sometimes for years or decades. supermajor, 550K 1st place finish, divided by 5 (or 6 with coach cut), divided by their org's take. so maybe 50K-75k per player? one year salary money. the international, 11 million first place, divided the same way, 1.5ish million per player. life changing money. idk i know what id focus on What is your point exactly? The ONLY relevant comparison with traditional sports is that fans and players sure as hell still get pissed off when players ditch their team. Again, your analogy is utterly irrelevant. All of your examples are competitions with a salary cap with a floor, of which a minimum must be paid to the players whether they win or lose. They also get paid if they don't play! The bonuses they get for winning are insignificant compared to their base wage. That is completely the opposite to how it works in Dota. As you said, that could be one whole year worth of salary. You win that tourney and you double up your pay for the year. OG were completely denied that opportunity by Fly and s4 moving at the time they did, organising it under the table as they did. This is a dick move, not taking into account any friendship situations. If you do take those into account, Fly in particular threw his best mate and his long time coach into the fire for potential winnings, when he already has about $1.5 million in prize money. Literally all of which was earned with their help. You feel that their potential financial gain is 100% justification for this. I disagree. That makes my posting garbage apparently. you dont have to look far back in pro sports for capless era movement. salary cap and floors are relatively new and a product of a developed product. esports isn't developed, its the wild west. my argument is that players are commodities with expiration dates, and moreso in esports than anywhere else. there arent long term sponsorships or retirement options for these guys like other athletes have. Nobody looks out for these guys but themselves. They have to earn what they earn as fast as possible, and they can't give 2 shits about anyone else, or they won't survive. players gotta focus on themselves or the sport won't work. If you are seriously trying to argue that already these successful players with over a million bucks in the bank at age 25 have no future career prospects and are in a precarious financial position after dota then I don't know what else to say to you. What is to stop them going to university? Or working in any entry level job at all? It's not like their bodies are destroyed with 3 knee reconstructions or they have only a short time left until they retire altogether. I completely disagree that players in this game need to focus purely on themselves. Dota is a team game not an individual game. Team harmony and trust in each other is far more important than individual skill. Players focusing entirely on themselves and running for cover when things get difficult doesn't work. Every single TI so far has been won by a team who played together for at least 6 months in the leadup. This is why Arteezy has never won TI and EG have always placed best without him in it, you can't trust or rely on him when the going gets tough. At this point I can only assume that you're upset that people don't like EG because you like them. They have more haters than ever before with good reason. I firmly count myself as one of them and I will continue to post here. Deal with it.
i dont get upset about dota teams. thats why i have a problem with these styles of posts. i just try to support players making the best financial decisions they can because these opportunities are once in a lifetime. there arent jobs out there that can provide like this can for 99.5% of us
im done arguing its not getting anywhere, enjoy the games
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On August 26 2018 01:20 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2018 01:00 ahw wrote:On August 26 2018 00:39 DropBear wrote:On August 26 2018 00:01 ahw wrote:On August 25 2018 23:39 DropBear wrote:On August 25 2018 22:20 ahw wrote:On August 25 2018 22:06 DropBear wrote:
However, if EG win I'm going to be devastated, they are utterly undeserving and unquestionably the villains. Arteezy has destroyed more teams and caused more players to be kicked, when really he was the problem, than Dendi and Loda combined. The last minute manner in which Fly and s4 fucked over their former teammates, denying them an opportunity to compete at the supermajor, was unacceptable. Notail and Ceb don't deserve to have to watch the traitors win glory. This is some reddit level posting tbh I come here to avoid this garbage I’ll elaborate. You compare this to traditional sports, where players change teams to win championships all the time. When your whole life is about playing this game at the highest level, you go where you think you will win. And that’s not even focusing on the economics behind it. A TI win for these players provides for them for a huge chunk of their life. You can’t afford to stick around on a middling team when you are in your prime. It’s just stupidity. When there are no sanctions in place preventing this, and there is 2-3 million at stake per player, they are going to do anything in their power to win. If not they don’t belong in professional sports. I’m a big fan of OG and their run, topsons been a lot of fun to watch. I’m a fan of EG. But we don’t know anything about how these teams operate and this artificial drama is stupid when we are talking about their careers and livelihood. Mate it's not that they left, it's how and when. Remember, it was literally they day there were leaving for China. OG had to surrender their spot at the Supermajor, a $1.5 million tournament, as a result, while EG still went. That's some economics for you. Your analogy is irrelevant because players switching teams in traditional sports doesn't cause their team to literally cease to be able to compete im saying players in pro sports have to be selfish because their careers are on timers. and tons of times stars switching teams in the nfl, nba, mlb, nhl, do, in fact, put their teams in the trash teir. sometimes for years or decades. supermajor, 550K 1st place finish, divided by 5 (or 6 with coach cut), divided by their org's take. so maybe 50K-75k per player? one year salary money. the international, 11 million first place, divided the same way, 1.5ish million per player. life changing money. idk i know what id focus on What is your point exactly? The ONLY relevant comparison with traditional sports is that fans and players sure as hell still get pissed off when players ditch their team. Again, your analogy is utterly irrelevant. All of your examples are competitions with a salary cap with a floor, of which a minimum must be paid to the players whether they win or lose. They also get paid if they don't play! The bonuses they get for winning are insignificant compared to their base wage. That is completely the opposite to how it works in Dota. As you said, that could be one whole year worth of salary. You win that tourney and you double up your pay for the year. OG were completely denied that opportunity by Fly and s4 moving at the time they did, organising it under the table as they did. This is a dick move, not taking into account any friendship situations. If you do take those into account, Fly in particular threw his best mate and his long time coach into the fire for potential winnings, when he already has about $1.5 million in prize money. Literally all of which was earned with their help. You feel that their potential financial gain is 100% justification for this. I disagree. That makes my posting garbage apparently. you dont have to look far back in pro sports for capless era movement. salary cap and floors are relatively new and a product of a developed product. esports isn't developed, its the wild west. my argument is that players are commodities with expiration dates, and moreso in esports than anywhere else. there arent long term sponsorships or retirement options for these guys like other athletes have. Nobody looks out for these guys but themselves. They have to earn what they earn as fast as possible, and they can't give 2 shits about anyone else, or they won't survive. players gotta focus on themselves or the sport won't work. If you are seriously trying to argue that already these successful players with over a million bucks in the bank at age 25 have no future career prospects and are in a precarious financial position after dota then I don't know what else to say to you. What is to stop them going to university? Or working in any entry level job at all? It's not like their bodies are destroyed with 3 knee reconstructions or they have only a short time left until they retire altogether. I completely disagree that players in this game need to focus purely on themselves. Dota is a team game not an individual game. Team harmony and trust in each other is far more important than individual skill. Players focusing entirely on themselves and running for cover when things get difficult doesn't work. Every single TI so far has been won by a team who played together for at least 6 months in the leadup. This is why Arteezy has never won TI and EG have always placed best without him in it, you can't trust or rely on him when the going gets tough. At this point I can only assume that you're upset that people don't like EG because you like them. They have more haters than ever before with good reason. I firmly count myself as one of them and I will continue to post here. Deal with it.
^ Seriously, none gives a damn about what you think.
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the games haven't even started yet and the thread is already going full retard lmao
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Really conflicted ho to cheer for in the LB finals. On one hand, I would love to see EG lose, on the other EG vs OG finals would be incredible. But I'm worried EG might win in the finals, which would be the worst case scenario.
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Agree with cecek. I am cheering for LGD now, as i am both fine with OG and LGD to win. (OG favored, but you cant have it all.)
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On August 26 2018 01:17 ahw wrote:
I'm not sure who will win but man I don't know if i like both matches being on the same day. I feel like riding a high from the lower bracket final in to the grand final might be too big of an advantage compared to all the down time for OG
history disagrees
Liquid, EG, IG won from lower bracket
its an advantage, but not huge
3 vs 4 to be exact
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Does anybody know who will cast the finals?
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On August 26 2018 02:07 icystorage wrote:
Does anybody know who will cast the finals?
OD & fogged
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Tobi jumps, claps, smiles, shouts and syndereN just sits and watch quietly, lol.
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On August 26 2018 02:08 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2018 02:07 icystorage wrote:
Does anybody know who will cast the finals? OD & fogged
Damn, Tobi's been in a roll and was hoping for him. Thanks!
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Tobi cam did not disappoint.
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On August 26 2018 02:09 icystorage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2018 02:08 Nocticate wrote:On August 26 2018 02:07 icystorage wrote:
Does anybody know who will cast the finals? OD & fogged Damn, Tobi's been in a roll and was hoping for him. Thanks!
meh, I always find him biased toward the more west team
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