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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 23 2018 23:51 GMT
#641
On August 24 2018 08:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Did it learn this axe-lane fuckery by random or did they steer it that way


If you can let the AI iterated 1000s of iterations per day, it'll start to optimize what works. It depends on what they feed the AI with.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 23 2018 23:52 GMT
#642
At this rate, pro teams are going to have AI as their scrim partners in 1 or 2 years time.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 23 2018 23:53 GMT
#643
On August 24 2018 08:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Did it learn this axe-lane fuckery by random or did they steer it that way

Not random. Risk/reward balancing. Killing creeps is good. Killing towers is good. Dying is bad.

A lot of trial and error (thousands of games) determines that Axe can kill creeps really easily without dying. And of course it's fairly easy to analyze how much damage the enemy heroes can do and how much their heroes can take for a computer.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 23 2018 23:53 GMT
#644
"Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?".
LiangHao
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
August 23 2018 23:54 GMT
#645
Even if it's in a limited pool, I want to see the AI draft at TI9.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 23 2018 23:56 GMT
#646
On August 24 2018 08:52 babysimba wrote:
At this rate, pro teams are going to have AI as their scrim partners in 1 or 2 years time.


For high level practice, you will always need humans. AI will optimize for what the AI does best. That isn't necessarily what humans do. But it's a good practice place domain for things like team fight coordination.

How issue is how much computing power they have to throw at this. Most of the really big AI projects have super computers attached to them.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 23 2018 23:59 GMT
#647
1 thing humans could learn from openai is all these salve spam lol
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 24 2018 00:00 GMT
#648
AI having the sniper instead of the humans like yesterday is quite a difference. Playing against sniper can be tough because his range is so extraordinary so I imagine it fucks up the general fight logic for an AI.
Neosteel Enthusiast
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 24 2018 00:01 GMT
#649
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit.
LiangHao
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 24 2018 00:02 GMT
#650
On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit.

"Improvising" is far beyond their framework.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
August 24 2018 00:02 GMT
#651
im not watching this one because same lineups is kinda boring but from skimming it seems like it might go the same ways as the previous one: AI pressures a bunch early and midgame but good players withstand it while farming and later on the AI just bugs itself out of the game
Kelefei2016
Profile Joined August 2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
August 24 2018 00:03 GMT
#652
On August 24 2018 00:05 MetalMercury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2018 22:40 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Secret vs Storm

If secret can hold reso, the game juz favour Secret. Reso is a beast, the rest are juz nothing.


You're delusional.

Told you, see, bye Storm
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
August 24 2018 00:03 GMT
#653
Random thought: what set does that Axe weapon come from? Looks wicked.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 24 2018 00:04 GMT
#654
On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit.

"Improvising" is far beyond their framework.


This guy understands curve fitting.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 24 2018 00:04 GMT
#655
On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit.

"Improvising" is far beyond their framework.
That is just a matter of time.
LiangHao
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1972 Posts
August 24 2018 00:04 GMT
#656
feel as if openai really does not know how to deal with a 4 protect one, that's probably why pub players are getting murdered by this.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 24 2018 00:05 GMT
#657
Quack quack motherfucker - our future AI overlords
Neosteel Enthusiast
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 24 2018 00:07 GMT
#658
On August 24 2018 09:04 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit.

"Improvising" is far beyond their framework.
That is just a matter of time.

I mean, sure, in the same vein that eventually AI will lose the "Artificial" part.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 24 2018 00:09 GMT
#659
On August 24 2018 09:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2018 09:04 Dracolich70 wrote:
On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit.

"Improvising" is far beyond their framework.
That is just a matter of time.

I mean, sure, in the same vein that eventually AI will lose the "Artificial" part.
Whatever you wish to call it.
LiangHao
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-24 00:11:40
August 24 2018 00:09 GMT
#660
gladOS styling on these FFFF2 players

On August 24 2018 09:04 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit.

"Improvising" is far beyond their framework.
That is just a matter of time.


there's no guarantee that "general" AI will be developed, but if it is, it's quite likely to come about soon given the financial incentive
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