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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 20 2018 21:14 GMT
#621
VP's drafts were questionable throughout the entire event even though their players were on point.
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
August 20 2018 21:16 GMT
#622
the throw was not having buybacks but to be fair the trend nowadays seems to be "buy out during midgame especially if you're ahead"

also, worth pointing out that lgd actually made the call to directly throne it. if they tried to go for rax it wasn't gg and vp was in a better position still. so many situations in games where teams could throne it but they get cold feet
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 20 2018 21:16 GMT
#623
I don't think you can drow (:o) any conclusion from this game, except not having buyback is a bad skill toi have.
Chillander
Profile Joined September 2017
219 Posts
August 20 2018 21:16 GMT
#624
I think its kinda embarrassing that casters/panelists/hosts still say "you guys", lets take Dota 2 out of the boys room
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 21:19:44
August 20 2018 21:17 GMT
#625
On August 21 2018 06:13 DucK- wrote:
Well VP train kept going, but they were slowly and surely losing their timing. I think it was a poor draft by VP, and only reason it looked so good was cuz of lgd feeds.


I think it was a fine draft that looked worse than it should've been because VP miscalculated how the lanes would go. They wanted to go even at the beginning and force tower trades before Storm got to his 4th-5th item. If anything, Pasha was underwhelming in his control of the side lanes.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44136 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 21:18:38
August 20 2018 21:17 GMT
#626
LGD didn't even have an easy initiation that game and VP had 5 ways to do it

That was so bad to play as drow lineup and a storm
this is a quote
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 21:19:33
August 20 2018 21:19 GMT
#627
also i think a big reason for vp losing that fight was drow's high ground positioning and necro and VS tanking shit to protect her
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
August 20 2018 21:19 GMT
#628
Why didn't they have a replay of that Play of the game? Where's Weatherman Purge?
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 20 2018 21:19 GMT
#629
On August 21 2018 06:16 Chillander wrote:
I think its kinda embarrassing that casters/panelists/hosts still say "you guys", lets take Dota 2 out of the boys room

I prefer a relaxed atmosphere than the overly serious ones we get when watching sportsl, those are just games in the end.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 20 2018 21:19 GMT
#630
VP draft is honestly not that good. LGD could still win in late game on even networth through split pushing and solo kill potential by storm.

The real question is LGD going to tilt in game 2 because of game 1
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44136 Posts
August 20 2018 21:20 GMT
#631
Everything just on LGD that last fight with the insane maybe BH bait and VP having zero buybacks
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 20 2018 21:20 GMT
#632
Come on casters, no team is "hiding stuff". They pick what they think is the best lineup against what their opponent is picking. No one thinks "wow this hero would be perfect now, but I won't pick it, I'll keep it hidden in case in the main event the same perfect situation arise §"
Mosoball
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland686 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 21:21:44
August 20 2018 21:21 GMT
#633
On August 21 2018 06:20 MrCon wrote:
Come on casters, no team is "hiding stuff". They pick what they think is the best lineup against what their opponent is picking. No one thinks "wow this hero would be perfect now, but I won't pick it, I'll keep it hidden in case in the main event the same perfect situation arise §"


I wholeheartedly agree. Some proactive strategies might be 'hidden', like first picking drow thou.
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 21:22:31
August 20 2018 21:21 GMT
#634
I rewatched that fight


I think even if 9pasha gets the black hole, fy was in range to get an instant swap, and the fight probably winds up going similarly

The main issue was lack of buybacks I guess
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
August 20 2018 21:22 GMT
#635
On August 21 2018 06:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2018 06:11 Nocticate wrote:
lgd is so bad though guys

They lost every fight and were very uncoordinated through the whole game, then they suddenly won a fight because of missed Black Hole and just went mid. So what's exactly your point?

they definitely played overconfident at the start, but they adapted on the fly, itemized perfectly, and outplayed VP to win with a lineup that plays like shit from behind. not the greatest game in the world but being able to find the win despite mistakes is the mark of champions.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44136 Posts
August 20 2018 21:22 GMT
#636
On August 21 2018 06:20 MrCon wrote:
Come on casters, no team is "hiding stuff". They pick what they think is the best lineup against what their opponent is picking. No one thinks "wow this hero would be perfect now, but I won't pick it, I'll keep it hidden in case in the main event the same perfect situation arise §"

Yep yep yep

Hiding strats is not real. This is real life not. Tropes that work on fiction doesn't necessarily mean it happens IRL
this is a quote
Sphaero
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1697 Posts
August 20 2018 21:25 GMT
#637
Now I´m curious to see VP´s reaction to this frustrating loss. Mental fortitude was always the one area I did not rate them at the absolute top (in stark contrast to Liquid, who can bounce back from pretty much everything).

That team becomes a monster when they find their groove but so far they never really did at this TI and look highly mortal.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 21:27:08
August 20 2018 21:26 GMT
#638
On August 21 2018 06:21 Wineandbread wrote:
I rewatched that fight https://clips.twitch.tv/TemperedWrongDeerBibleThump

I think even if 9pasha gets the black hole, fy was in range to get an instant swap, and the fight probably winds up going similarly

The main issue was lack of buybacks I guess


Pasha shouldn't have attempted to Black Hole at that point anyway. He has to preserve the threat of it to force Maybe to hover on the fringes of the fight.

Shiva's might've been preferable over Sheep in that scenario for Ramzes too.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
August 20 2018 21:26 GMT
#639
black roleplaying anti-mage with the silencer hate lol
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44136 Posts
August 20 2018 21:28 GMT
#640
On August 21 2018 06:26 emperorchampion wrote:
black roleplaying anti-mage with the silencer hate lol

Isn't silencer kinda in the same camp with antimage in the #fuckmagic movement ?
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