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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 20 2018 19:01 GMT
#321
On August 21 2018 04:00 Yurie wrote:
Miracle has become more open over the pro years. Can see the personal development outside the game.

We owe Fly/N0tail for a lot of that, they basically made him from a nerdy pubstar to a great teammate
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
August 20 2018 19:01 GMT
#322
On August 21 2018 04:00 Yurie wrote:
Miracle has become more open over the pro years. Can see the personal development outside the game.

Haha yeah he was so awkward in front of the camera before. This whole interview with the team was a lot more enjoyable than the rest I've seen in previous years.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 20 2018 19:02 GMT
#323
On August 21 2018 04:00 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2018 03:58 LemOn wrote:
yeah this wasn't cancer alch at all
Radiance treads blink
=>in your face
=>manta
=>AC
=end game

4p1 stall alch wouldn't work on that game as optic would just meme push them and that would mean liquid would've to dodge fights or creep skip or do something to give alch time to farm

That was a good decision to add alch on the fights

No matter the plan, 12 min radiance means game over.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
August 20 2018 19:02 GMT
#324
On August 21 2018 04:01 Papercappu wrote:
Pretty sure lvl15 IO can take half of that alch's hp. spirit vessel is good too. i don't think that alch was that scary if optic planned their game well


true. I don't think the game was that bad. Some misplay by Paikat and CCnC really costed them.
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 19:03:35
August 20 2018 19:03 GMT
#325
that game was a combination of alch got too free of a laning phase and liquid playing better
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 20 2018 19:03 GMT
#326
well on the bright side there are tons of chinese teams in the LB for ppd to meme over
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 19:05:32
August 20 2018 19:04 GMT
#327
On August 21 2018 04:01 Papercappu wrote:
Pretty sure lvl15 IO can take half of that alch's hp. spirit vessel is good too. i don't think that alch was that scary if optic planned their game well

That is if IO gets to the level 15 lol. They had nothing, they have very passive supports, they couldn't gank, they couldn't win lanes, Aba support is actually game losing crap, especially if you play him in offlane. IO is good but you are getting outleveled against Lich and he just provides sustain/tankiness to the DK, if it was someone like CK with IO, or PA, Lich would die a lot, DK can't do much without gap closer.

And because of all of that, Alche has free farm because nobody can gank him, and the game ended just like that.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 19:05:13
August 20 2018 19:04 GMT
#328
On August 21 2018 04:03 uthgard wrote:
that game was a combination of alch got too free of a laning phase and liquid playing better

i wouldn't fault optic for that, what can you do with wisp aba
And vs wk/willow
and Lich/clinks lanes?

You just can't go on alch as you won't kill him and your sides will get rolled over
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44132 Posts
August 20 2018 19:06 GMT
#329
On August 21 2018 03:59 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2018 03:57 goody153 wrote:
On August 21 2018 03:54 LemOn wrote:
On August 21 2018 03:51 synapse wrote:
GG pls ban alch

How though
It isn't Liquid go to pick hasn't been for a long time
In retrospect it seemed obvious
But they just don't pick it + were saving strats for a long time
Just watch when they will be pressured they'll pull some other hero out of the bag that seems "obvious" and this will happen again

People still believe in the saving strats thing ? Think that was just liquid being great and optic not that great

Also like others pointed out alch/lich armor sounds really tough to crack

Umm pretty much everyone sees the obvious strat saving + trying to bait autobans in the groups by the top teams

Who is this everyone ? Im not the only one who argues this "saving starts isn't a thing" and been arguing for years. This is the first time I've heard it again

And it doesn't even work if you think about it considering the evolving meta which one lineup may not work anymore of it worked last week.

Then there's also teams doing everything to figure out which is the meta of the tournamen

I dont deny that each team has a specific cheese strat but not a strat that would surely works regardless of the meta in the moment they pop it

Cause that sounds like a fiction trope lol
this is a quote
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 20 2018 19:06 GMT
#330
There's an awful lot of discussion for such a boring game.
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
August 20 2018 19:06 GMT
#331
On August 21 2018 04:04 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2018 04:03 uthgard wrote:
that game was a combination of alch got too free of a laning phase and liquid playing better

i wouldn't fault optic for that, what can you do with wisp aba
And vs wk/willow
and Lich/clinks lanes?

You just can't go on alch as you won't kill him and your sides will get rolled over

yea, actually even before the game started I prefer tiny as support to roam around and ganks and let abba get the lane

might worked better for them, who knows
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 20 2018 19:08 GMT
#332
ppd picking bane for himself calling it
Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-20 19:08:57
August 20 2018 19:08 GMT
#333
Lovely draft.

edit: there we go
If I'm asking noob questions, it's because I'm a noob, not because I'm being sarcastic.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 20 2018 19:09 GMT
#334
Bring me Doom.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44132 Posts
August 20 2018 19:09 GMT
#335
On August 21 2018 04:00 Yurie wrote:
Miracle has become more open over the pro years. Can see the personal development outside the game.

Not much of a fan of this kind of player. Reminds me too much of a good majority of StarCraft pros who basically seem like similar to each other even if you watched alot of their interviews and stuff

I'm glad that most dota pros are clearly outspoken or are an open book even the Chinese pros
this is a quote
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 20 2018 19:09 GMT
#336
Man he really wants to be the first one to beat Liquid with Tiny.
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 20 2018 19:09 GMT
#337
unusual NP pick, what's the plan here?

oh lord there's a brood, time to hope kunkka is still good
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 20 2018 19:10 GMT
#338
please show AR brood
ffxiv enjoyer
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
August 20 2018 19:10 GMT
#339
Optic looking wrecked in the booth , only one with some vitality is PPD , lets hope they can give us a good game (probably losing , but still)
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44132 Posts
August 20 2018 19:10 GMT
#340
Brood might get needed bigtime post TI as we are seeing that hero get 1st picked a lot

And haven't seen VS carry
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