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ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
May 24 2018 16:10 GMT
#101
well deserved win for pain, but

tournament format is still absolute hot garbage
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
May 24 2018 16:13 GMT
#102
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force

NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition

SA dota rising

CIS dota flexing

it's an exciting time for shitposters
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
May 24 2018 16:14 GMT
#103
On May 25 2018 01:13 Achaian wrote:
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force

NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition

SA dota rising

CIS dota flexing

it's an exciting time for shitposters

CN dota still top tier, tho LGD isn't even at this major
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
May 24 2018 16:18 GMT
#104
On May 25 2018 01:14 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 01:13 Achaian wrote:
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force

NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition

SA dota rising

CIS dota flexing

it's an exciting time for shitposters

CN dota still top tier, tho LGD isn't even at this major

the results don't agree with you
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
May 24 2018 16:23 GMT
#105
On May 25 2018 01:13 Achaian wrote:
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force

NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition

SA dota rising

CIS dota flexing

it's an exciting time for shitposters



Should be a fun TI.

It's baffling to me that Liquid haven't won a major in DPC format this season, I forgot until Redeye mentioned it again on panel. One more chance at the supermajor! Or save strats for TI? huehue
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
May 24 2018 16:29 GMT
#106
On May 25 2018 01:18 giftdgecko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 01:14 Nocticate wrote:
On May 25 2018 01:13 Achaian wrote:
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force

NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition

SA dota rising

CIS dota flexing

it's an exciting time for shitposters

CN dota still top tier, tho LGD isn't even at this major

the results don't agree with you

LGD is the best team in the world right now tho
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
May 24 2018 16:35 GMT
#107
On May 25 2018 01:29 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 01:18 giftdgecko wrote:
On May 25 2018 01:14 Nocticate wrote:
On May 25 2018 01:13 Achaian wrote:
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force

NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition

SA dota rising

CIS dota flexing

it's an exciting time for shitposters

CN dota still top tier, tho LGD isn't even at this major

the results don't agree with you

LGD is the best team in the world right now tho


I didn't know his holiness enjoys doto2 also

Senātus Populusque Rōmānus et deus vult!


caiovigg
Profile Joined July 2014
Brazil1802 Posts
May 24 2018 16:56 GMT
#108
On May 25 2018 01:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 01:06 Alpino wrote:
Thought SA teams didn't deserve free spots on the circuit

well it took them an entire season and one player import, but at least one team from SA is finally competitive now.
props to pain


well, it took NA 3 years to crack top 8 at TI, after they had their scene developed since the begining of dota itself. I would say SA is doing it pretty fast.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
May 24 2018 17:03 GMT
#109
MALAYSIA BOLEH!
-Terran-
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
May 24 2018 17:16 GMT
#110
Buyback symphony
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4372 Posts
May 24 2018 17:43 GMT
#111
On May 25 2018 01:56 caiovigg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 01:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
On May 25 2018 01:06 Alpino wrote:
Thought SA teams didn't deserve free spots on the circuit

well it took them an entire season and one player import, but at least one team from SA is finally competitive now.
props to pain


well, it took NA 3 years to crack top 8 at TI, after they had their scene developed since the begining of dota itself. I would say SA is doing it pretty fast.

qft. Give SA time and opportunity and they improve.
Sucker for nostalgia
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 24 2018 22:40 GMT
#112
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI

I believeeeee
WriterXiao8~~
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 24 2018 23:55 GMT
#113
On May 25 2018 07:40 Kipsate wrote:
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI

I believeeeee


That's normally the way it works. The off-year scene takes 4 of the top 6 but loses in the finals.

It really is going to be LGD vs The World this year, unless the Meta shifts so radically for the Bracket that China is rolling.
Kelefei2016
Profile Joined August 2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
May 25 2018 01:23 GMT
#114
TI champion usually come from those who are consistently good but hardly win any big tournament or Major pre-TI.
So basically for me, VP, LGD are out for this mist.

It left Secret, Mineski, VGJs, EG, Liquid, Vici as the contestors for coming TI.
550
Profile Joined April 2018
418 Posts
May 25 2018 01:31 GMT
#115
On May 25 2018 08:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 07:40 Kipsate wrote:
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI

I believeeeee


That's normally the way it works. The off-year scene takes 4 of the top 6 but loses in the finals.

It really is going to be LGD vs The World this year, unless the Meta shifts so radically for the Bracket that China is rolling.



nah. its gonna be Optic or VP

last few majors are good indicators of the most solid teams with the meta

the so called "TI-curse/destiny" is obviously just a cool coincidence or good amount of work from the (previous) CN part
arghyad1
Profile Joined April 2018
India243 Posts
May 25 2018 02:02 GMT
#116
On May 25 2018 10:31 550 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 08:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 25 2018 07:40 Kipsate wrote:
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI

I believeeeee


That's normally the way it works. The off-year scene takes 4 of the top 6 but loses in the finals.

It really is going to be LGD vs The World this year, unless the Meta shifts so radically for the Bracket that China is rolling.



nah. its gonna be Optic or VP

last few majors are good indicators of the most solid teams with the meta

the so called "TI-curse/destiny" is obviously just a cool coincidence or good amount of work from the (previous) CN part


Why Optic..?? Do you have any theory to back up your claims of putting Optic in the top 2 contenders for this TI?
The more you hurt me, The Stronger I become....
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 25 2018 02:54 GMT
#117
On May 25 2018 11:02 arghyad1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 10:31 550 wrote:
On May 25 2018 08:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 25 2018 07:40 Kipsate wrote:
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI

I believeeeee


That's normally the way it works. The off-year scene takes 4 of the top 6 but loses in the finals.

It really is going to be LGD vs The World this year, unless the Meta shifts so radically for the Bracket that China is rolling.



nah. its gonna be Optic or VP

last few majors are good indicators of the most solid teams with the meta

the so called "TI-curse/destiny" is obviously just a cool coincidence or good amount of work from the (previous) CN part


Why Optic..?? Do you have any theory to back up your claims of putting Optic in the top 2 contenders for this TI?


I'm not sure he's talking about TI, if he's talking about this tournament, you're looking at a flat 50% chance it's one of those two teams.

As for in general, given the way post-7.00 has played out, the way TI always plays out, Optic is actually one of the teams with the ability to vault to a TI victory. Having watched enough of the shifts, there is a pattern to how it works.

1) You can't be the "best team of the year". Everyone & their cousin comes in with a game plan against you. The Meta shifts too quickly at TI for someone to come in and just walk over everyone. (Alliance barely did it, and the game was far less refined then.)

2) You need to be on an upswing going into TI. These combined will be VP's big problem, but VP also has enough "do crazy stuff" ability to just win.

3) You need a good player to achieve "best player in the world" status for a week. Happens every TI, as that player will win 1-3 matches by their next-level play during the bracket. That's enough of a difference between going out in 6th and winning.

4) You don't set the meta; you solve the meta. This is true of every TI since #2. "Meta Riding" is how you get qualifier teams in Finals. Solving the Meta is how you win a tournament. See what LGD just did at MDL.

5) Avoid the team you match up with poorly. Especially avoiding teams from the same region in the upper bracket.
550
Profile Joined April 2018
418 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-25 09:50:45
May 25 2018 09:50 GMT
#118
On May 25 2018 11:02 arghyad1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 10:31 550 wrote:
On May 25 2018 08:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 25 2018 07:40 Kipsate wrote:
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI

I believeeeee


That's normally the way it works. The off-year scene takes 4 of the top 6 but loses in the finals.

It really is going to be LGD vs The World this year, unless the Meta shifts so radically for the Bracket that China is rolling.



nah. its gonna be Optic or VP

last few majors are good indicators of the most solid teams with the meta

the so called "TI-curse/destiny" is obviously just a cool coincidence or good amount of work from the (previous) CN part


Why Optic..?? Do you have any theory to back up your claims of putting Optic in the top 2 contenders for this TI?


yes im talking TI

its just a feeling i have

i watch streams of them playing together alot (3/4 people)
they are very comfortable with the meta and how they communicate

their wins have been good wins with them knowing what they want in game aswell

n probably what they want will happen (somebody to knock VP out, probably one of the CN teams, then after VP is out they be in such good shape)

not a huge fan of a particular player of them, but that team certainly looks like "the team"
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