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so it's the second-place decider matches as well as the first-place decider matches? running parallel to each other?
but then day 3 games are JUST the quarterfinals? sure.
anyhow, my bets are Spirit, Liquid, Mineski, and OG in the quarters. Fnatic out, Pain out, LFY out. OG aren't good enough to beat VP and I think Optic have much better execution. excited for this ridiculous group stage format to end.
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On May 24 2018 08:26 Nocticate wrote:
so it's the second-place decider matches as well as the first-place decider matches? running parallel to each other?
but then day 3 games are JUST the quarterfinals? sure.
anyhow, my bets are Spirit, Liquid, Mineski, and OG in the quarters. Fnatic out, Pain out, LFY out. OG aren't good enough to beat VP and I think Optic have much better execution. excited for this ridiculous group stage format to end.
I think they could have kept all matches as BO3-s given the amount of time they will have. Friday & Saturday there will be just 2 BO3 games on each day.
But still I am ok with this compared to the swiss format that was tried out earlier this season. The opening matches' match-ups also seem to make sense considering the achievements of the teams this season.
I am expecting Fnatic, OG, Liquid & Mineski to end up in quarter finals after today. So this draw can give us VP vs Liquid before the grand finals..?
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Let's freaking go, Illidan! I've waited two years for your return!
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Why do I feel like Fnatic is gonna get 2-0ed
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So when are EG playing or are they already through to the playoffs?
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On May 24 2018 15:46 Nomad115 wrote:
So when are EG playing or are they already through to the playoffs?
the groupstage for the supermajor begins june 2nd.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
I love how EternalEnvy keeps getting tipped at the end of the games >D
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Pandemona
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So basically what is going to happen here is Liquid are going to play one of the teams who finished first who drop into quarter final stage. That team will be Optic who will then lose to Liquid and get 0 points and PPD will go ape shite on twitter and never go to an ESL event again.
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On May 24 2018 16:44 Pandemona wrote:
So basically what is going to happen here is Liquid are going to play one of the teams who finished first who drop into quarter final stage. That team will be Optic who will then lose to Liquid and get 0 points and PPD will go ape shite on twitter and never go to an ESL event again.
Only way for Optic to qualify for TI is to get first in this major. All or nothing. Can't really complain much about bracket luck since technically the best team should be able to win anyone.
He can still complain about the lack of loser bracket in playoffs though 
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I know ppl love twitch and what not , but that stream quality is AMAZING , high quality no lags , too bad it hurts their viewership so much.
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On May 24 2018 17:41 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 16:44 Pandemona wrote:
So basically what is going to happen here is Liquid are going to play one of the teams who finished first who drop into quarter final stage. That team will be Optic who will then lose to Liquid and get 0 points and PPD will go ape shite on twitter and never go to an ESL event again. Only way for Optic to qualify for TI is to get first in this major. All or nothing. Can't really complain much about bracket luck since technically the best team should be able to win anyone. He can still complain about the lack of loser bracket in playoffs though
No losers is better for PPD , Optic are NOT the best team in this ESL so they will benefit less from a lower bracket.
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On May 24 2018 17:41 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 16:44 Pandemona wrote:
So basically what is going to happen here is Liquid are going to play one of the teams who finished first who drop into quarter final stage. That team will be Optic who will then lose to Liquid and get 0 points and PPD will go ape shite on twitter and never go to an ESL event again. Only way for Optic to qualify for TI is to get first in this major. All or nothing. Can't really complain much about bracket luck since technically the best team should be able to win anyone. He can still complain about the lack of loser bracket in playoffs though
Dota has some pretty heavy match-up variance, which means some teams will be relatively stronger against others regardless of overall skill. So even the best team at a tournament has maybe a 50% chance of winning it.
Optic got the "bad' luck this season. Slack's draws at Bucharest has dictated more of the results of the DPC than people want to admit right now, lol. Optic also lost a major they qualified for because it stopped being a Major.
At some level, you just have to win your matches, but they ran into VP in two separate Majors that VP won. They've been, at points, about the #4 to #7 best team in the scene and got the least amount of points for it. ppd has some right to be annoyed with this season's DPC system.
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On May 24 2018 09:21 arghyad1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 08:26 Nocticate wrote:
so it's the second-place decider matches as well as the first-place decider matches? running parallel to each other?
but then day 3 games are JUST the quarterfinals? sure.
anyhow, my bets are Spirit, Liquid, Mineski, and OG in the quarters. Fnatic out, Pain out, LFY out. OG aren't good enough to beat VP and I think Optic have much better execution. excited for this ridiculous group stage format to end. I think they could have kept all matches as BO3-s given the amount of time they will have. Friday & Saturday there will be just 2 BO3 games on each day. But still I am ok with this compared to the swiss format that was tried out earlier this season. The opening matches' match-ups also seem to make sense considering the achievements of the teams this season. I am expecting Fnatic, OG, Liquid & Mineski to end up in quarter finals after today. So this draw can give us VP vs Liquid before the grand finals..?
Bucharest Swiss format is the only reason VP is in the top 8 DPC
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I'm not quite sure what this draft is from Optic, but, we'll see.
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VP should look for a Mercedes sponsorship, at this point.
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I think OGs draft was unrealistically greedy. The only scenario they win is VP playing passively. CIS teams aren't known for their passive styles. Baffled.
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On May 24 2018 20:29 LowRezz wrote:
I think OGs draft was unrealistically greedy. The only scenario they win is VP playing passively. CIS teams aren't known for their passive styles. Baffled.
Not really, as they can fight when all have lvl 6s. Issue is that VP puts on so much early pressure, before Optic is online. It's probably Chen that caused them more problems, so I think the Bloodseeker was a Hail Mary pick.
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g sus VP is so much better then everyone here
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Optic is exploitable in the lanes from about 5 min to 10 min. That's where they'll lose games. It's also the point in time that VP puts on a lot of pressure. It's been a bad matchup for Optic and probably will continue to be, unless CCnC reaches another level.
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Today's answer is "ban Chen", though the big thing is finding ways to punish VP for their early rotation game. I think that was the point of the BH and the Bloodseeker, to an extent. Problem is that VP can just push things faster (as with Chen), and CCnC really needs to be on a hero with an escape. He just isn't fast enough to play heroes without escapes at the top-tier.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
I can actually imagine VP winning the whole major.
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On May 24 2018 20:44 739 wrote:
I can actually imagine VP winning the whole major.
Lol.
Team Spirit showing this early pressure is the current meta, as well.
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On May 24 2018 20:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 20:44 739 wrote:
I can actually imagine VP winning the whole major. Lol. Team Spirit showing this early pressure is the current meta, as well.
yo, mark my words ! :D
Edit : EE 0-10 on Viper, kek.
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VP already crushed both their opponents? Darn, I missed it.
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On May 24 2018 21:03 Lucumo wrote:
VP already crushed both their opponents? Darn, I missed it.
Apparently, today is DP + Chen day. VP just rolled the early game with them.
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I wasn't a big fan of all the tipping and chatwheel crap...
Is it just me or were VP majorly arrogant dicks today (even more than usual)?
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On May 24 2018 21:06 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 21:03 Lucumo wrote:
VP already crushed both their opponents? Darn, I missed it. Apparently, today is DP + Chen day. VP just rolled the early game with them.
Yeah, saw that (and Pango both times).
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Credit to Pajkatt for playing an offlane-ish role when 33 is on a harder carry hero.
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Think NS is one of the underexplored hero as a carry. Has the ability to snowball and scale decently with his talents and nullifier late game.
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On May 24 2018 21:35 babysimba wrote:
Think NS is one of the underexplored hero as a carry. Has the ability to snowball and scale decently with his talents and nullifier late game.
NS can be both high utility item carrier, and erase some heroes as things go late.
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On May 24 2018 21:35 babysimba wrote:
Think NS is one of the underexplored hero as a carry. Has the ability to snowball and scale decently with his talents and nullifier late game.
Especially against OG's draft, the pos 2 style NS is a nightmare to deal with, especially as he's getting levels.
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If Optic can dodge Liquid in the bracket stage, they have a real shot at winning a major.
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On May 24 2018 21:44 maze. wrote:
If Optic can dodge Liquid in the bracket stage, they have a real shot at winning a major.
Optic can beat Liquid, it's VP that just has Optic's number. TL should be favored, but it's a ppd vs kuroky matchup. There's always interesting wrinkles.
Optic's best chance against VP might just be convincing them to party too much the night before. (VP's style is really potent against Optic's normal approach, though the wrinkle in the OG match is interesting.)
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On May 24 2018 21:10 sCuMBaG wrote:
I wasn't a big fan of all the tipping and chatwheel crap...
Is it just me or were VP majorly arrogant dicks today (even more than usual)?
yes its a dick move
but everyone is doing it
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It is known VP win all ESL majors. Maybe it has to do with shitty formats and not giving other teams enough time to adapt to them.
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On May 24 2018 21:46 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 21:10 sCuMBaG wrote:
I wasn't a big fan of all the tipping and chatwheel crap...
Is it just me or were VP majorly arrogant dicks today (even more than usual)? yes its a dick move but everyone is doing it
Yes, but the Mineski all tipping CCnC for the Rapier was damn funny.
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On May 24 2018 21:06 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 21:03 Lucumo wrote:
VP already crushed both their opponents? Darn, I missed it. Apparently, today is DP + Chen day. VP just rolled the early game with them.
DP bretty gud hero
OG played like shit tbh, glad they're in the quarters where they should be. the BO1 PaiN victory against liquid really screwed that whole group up tbh
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Optic won 4 matches and made top 4 at a Major. Sometimes, these formats, wow.
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On May 24 2018 21:49 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 21:06 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 24 2018 21:03 Lucumo wrote:
VP already crushed both their opponents? Darn, I missed it. Apparently, today is DP + Chen day. VP just rolled the early game with them. DP bretty gud hero OG played like shit tbh, glad they're in the quarters where they should be. the BO1 PaiN victory against liquid really screwed that whole group up tbh
Optic is quite pleased with Pain's victory over TL, but, yeah, OG shouldn't have come out of that group.
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Is Aui the holder of Cellphones?
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If the Liquipedia bracket is correct, one of Optic, Fnatic and OG will get to the finals. On the other side it might be VP, TL and Mineski battling for the other spot
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On May 24 2018 21:49 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Optic won 4 matches and made top 4 at a Major. Sometimes, these formats, wow.
worst format ive ever seen
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On May 24 2018 21:59 spudde123 wrote:
If the Liquipedia bracket is correct, one of Optic, Fnatic and OG will get to the finals. On the other side it might be VP, TL and Mineski battling for the other spot
in a context where the placings matter a ton, this is unconscionably bad.
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On May 24 2018 21:10 sCuMBaG wrote:
I wasn't a big fan of all the tipping and chatwheel crap...
Is it just me or were VP majorly arrogant dicks today (even more than usual)?
I'm pretty sure they're arrogant dicks every day. And then they'll get 8th place at TI and wonder where it went wrong.
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On May 24 2018 21:59 spudde123 wrote:
If the Liquipedia bracket is correct, one of Optic, Fnatic and OG will get to the finals. On the other side it might be VP, TL and Mineski battling for the other spot
Fnatic has to win 2 Bo3s and they can punch a ticket to TI8.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
I knew that Liquid's gonna last pick Invoker.
Let's go ~
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liquid have def got a chip on their shoulder and are probably gonna dumpster pain here.
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On May 24 2018 22:07 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 21:10 sCuMBaG wrote:
I wasn't a big fan of all the tipping and chatwheel crap...
Is it just me or were VP majorly arrogant dicks today (even more than usual)? I'm pretty sure they're arrogant dicks every day. And then they'll get 8th place at TI and wonder where it went wrong.
There is no need to be so judgemental and insulting because of a few emotes...
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OG shifted s4 back into mid, Liquid shifted Miracle back into mid, so when is EG smart enough to do so?
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On May 24 2018 22:34 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 22:07 Alpino wrote:On May 24 2018 21:10 sCuMBaG wrote:
I wasn't a big fan of all the tipping and chatwheel crap...
Is it just me or were VP majorly arrogant dicks today (even more than usual)? I'm pretty sure they're arrogant dicks every day. And then they'll get 8th place at TI and wonder where it went wrong. There is no need to be so judgemental and insulting because of a few emotes...
I do agree with him in a way though.
it's not just a few emotes in one game as well.
but I just generally really dislike arrogance and bullies - and VP seem to be both.
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On May 24 2018 22:55 babysimba wrote:
OG shifted s4 back into mid, Liquid shifted Miracle back into mid, so when is EG smart enough to do so?
thats not true. at least liquid still does it depending on what matchup they want for specific heros.
e.g. matumbaman playing mid PL and miracle offlane doom yesterday. but it's been like that for a while.
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On May 24 2018 23:14 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 22:55 babysimba wrote:
OG shifted s4 back into mid, Liquid shifted Miracle back into mid, so when is EG smart enough to do so? thats not true. at least liquid still does it depending on what matchup they want for specific heros. e.g. matumbaman playing mid PL and miracle offlane doom yesterday. but it's been like that for a while.
Of course it doesn't happen all the time due to draft flexibility. The point I'm making is mid lane is more suited to tempo based heroes. Even Liquid is willing to put Miracle back in mid for half the games, when they have been playing Miracle exclusively on carry heroes for half a year because they had so much issues with Matu pos1 and Miracle pos2 before that.
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Mass shadowblades. Liquid might have some teamfight issues soon.
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Amount of plays is too damn high
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pain is showing up big time. liquid look a bit startled atm.
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Just need Liquid to lose game 3 and people will get even saltier at the tournament format
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On May 25 2018 00:01 babysimba wrote:
Just need Liquid to lose game 3 and people will get even saltier at the tournament format
Format is the worst there ever was, but Liquid shouldn't be losing Bo3s against Pain, even if they are the best SA team...
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Matu can't land pounce + slark is not green
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On May 24 2018 21:59 spudde123 wrote:
If the Liquipedia bracket is correct, one of Optic, Fnatic and OG will get to the finals. On the other side it might be VP, TL and Mineski battling for the other spot
This major has turned out to be super, super strange. What's interesting about that is that Mineski and Team Liquid would both probably challenge VP more than any of those other teams in the bracket: Liquid is Liquid and Mineski has had a couple of really scary games against VP in the past couple of majors.
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I'm honestly too stupid and lazy to understand this format
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that escalate quickly in this game 3 
Poor Pain
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United States15275 Posts
The classic "get bodied in the sidelane" Ember.
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How to counter bm, have your teammates bm him too
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that rosh pit, woof. liquid looking like newbee
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why would liquid take that fight, lol.
Pain has a Underlord, Disruptor and Clock. Like, how do they not see that happening. haha
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
liquid pls stop shitting the bed in the rosh pit
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I demand an investigation into that top lane showdown. Smells like collusion.
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w33ha went from last in networth to top 3. bring the PAIN
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can we stop being absolutely stupid around rosh? dear god
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I'm not betting on any other team than VP anymore ...
but gratz to Pain nonetheless!
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South America best America
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What a decisive finisher by pain. Two really bad rosh fights for liquid though..
grats to SA doto today!
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
tons of respect to pain. liquid underplayed but don't take anything away from Pain today.
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On May 25 2018 01:05 Nocticate wrote:
tons of respect to pain. liquid underplayed but don't take anything away from Pain today.
i think pain read them perfectly, knew how to counter play liquids aggro ganks
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Thought SA teams didn't deserve free spots on the circuit
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huh, PaiN eliminated Liquid?
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On May 25 2018 01:06 Alpino wrote:
Thought SA teams didn't deserve free spots on the circuit
well it took them an entire season and one player import, but at least one team from SA is finally competitive now.
props to pain
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Grats Blitz, you made the next round! So happy for you!
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Those rosh fights were so meme-worthy but hard to watch as a liquid fan
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well deserved win for pain, but
tournament format is still absolute hot garbage
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EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force
NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition
SA dota rising
CIS dota flexing
it's an exciting time for shitposters
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
On May 25 2018 01:13 Achaian wrote:
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force
NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition
SA dota rising
CIS dota flexing
it's an exciting time for shitposters
CN dota still top tier, tho LGD isn't even at this major
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On May 25 2018 01:14 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 01:13 Achaian wrote:
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force
NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition
SA dota rising
CIS dota flexing
it's an exciting time for shitposters CN dota still top tier, tho LGD isn't even at this major
the results don't agree with you
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On May 25 2018 01:13 Achaian wrote:
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force
NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition
SA dota rising
CIS dota flexing
it's an exciting time for shitposters
Should be a fun TI.
It's baffling to me that Liquid haven't won a major in DPC format this season, I forgot until Redeye mentioned it again on panel. One more chance at the supermajor! Or save strats for TI? huehue
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On May 25 2018 01:18 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 01:14 Nocticate wrote:On May 25 2018 01:13 Achaian wrote:
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force
NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition
SA dota rising
CIS dota flexing
it's an exciting time for shitposters CN dota still top tier, tho LGD isn't even at this major the results don't agree with you
LGD is the best team in the world right now tho
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On May 25 2018 01:29 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 01:18 giftdgecko wrote:On May 25 2018 01:14 Nocticate wrote:On May 25 2018 01:13 Achaian wrote:
EU dota in shambles, TI curse coming into full force
NA dota undergoing a dynasty transition
SA dota rising
CIS dota flexing
it's an exciting time for shitposters CN dota still top tier, tho LGD isn't even at this major the results don't agree with you LGD is the best team in the world right now tho
I didn't know his holiness enjoys doto2 also
Senātus Populusque Rōmānus et deus vult!
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On May 25 2018 01:07 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 01:06 Alpino wrote:
Thought SA teams didn't deserve free spots on the circuit well it took them an entire season and one player import, but at least one team from SA is finally competitive now. props to pain
well, it took NA 3 years to crack top 8 at TI, after they had their scene developed since the begining of dota itself. I would say SA is doing it pretty fast.
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On May 25 2018 01:56 caiovigg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 01:07 ShiaoPi wrote:On May 25 2018 01:06 Alpino wrote:
Thought SA teams didn't deserve free spots on the circuit well it took them an entire season and one player import, but at least one team from SA is finally competitive now. props to pain well, it took NA 3 years to crack top 8 at TI, after they had their scene developed since the begining of dota itself. I would say SA is doing it pretty fast.
qft. Give SA time and opportunity and they improve.
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TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI
I believeeeee
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On May 25 2018 07:40 Kipsate wrote:
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI
I believeeeee
That's normally the way it works. The off-year scene takes 4 of the top 6 but loses in the finals.
It really is going to be LGD vs The World this year, unless the Meta shifts so radically for the Bracket that China is rolling.
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TI champion usually come from those who are consistently good but hardly win any big tournament or Major pre-TI.
So basically for me, VP, LGD are out for this mist.
It left Secret, Mineski, VGJs, EG, Liquid, Vici as the contestors for coming TI.
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On May 25 2018 08:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 07:40 Kipsate wrote:
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI
I believeeeee That's normally the way it works. The off-year scene takes 4 of the top 6 but loses in the finals. It really is going to be LGD vs The World this year, unless the Meta shifts so radically for the Bracket that China is rolling.
nah. its gonna be Optic or VP
last few majors are good indicators of the most solid teams with the meta
the so called "TI-curse/destiny" is obviously just a cool coincidence or good amount of work from the (previous) CN part
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On May 25 2018 10:31 550 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 08:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 25 2018 07:40 Kipsate wrote:
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI
I believeeeee That's normally the way it works. The off-year scene takes 4 of the top 6 but loses in the finals. It really is going to be LGD vs The World this year, unless the Meta shifts so radically for the Bracket that China is rolling. nah. its gonna be Optic or VP last few majors are good indicators of the most solid teams with the meta the so called "TI-curse/destiny" is obviously just a cool coincidence or good amount of work from the (previous) CN part
Why Optic..?? Do you have any theory to back up your claims of putting Optic in the top 2 contenders for this TI?
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On May 25 2018 11:02 arghyad1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 10:31 550 wrote:On May 25 2018 08:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 25 2018 07:40 Kipsate wrote:
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI
I believeeeee That's normally the way it works. The off-year scene takes 4 of the top 6 but loses in the finals. It really is going to be LGD vs The World this year, unless the Meta shifts so radically for the Bracket that China is rolling. nah. its gonna be Optic or VP last few majors are good indicators of the most solid teams with the meta the so called "TI-curse/destiny" is obviously just a cool coincidence or good amount of work from the (previous) CN part Why Optic..?? Do you have any theory to back up your claims of putting Optic in the top 2 contenders for this TI?
I'm not sure he's talking about TI, if he's talking about this tournament, you're looking at a flat 50% chance it's one of those two teams.
As for in general, given the way post-7.00 has played out, the way TI always plays out, Optic is actually one of the teams with the ability to vault to a TI victory. Having watched enough of the shifts, there is a pattern to how it works.
1) You can't be the "best team of the year". Everyone & their cousin comes in with a game plan against you. The Meta shifts too quickly at TI for someone to come in and just walk over everyone. (Alliance barely did it, and the game was far less refined then.)
2) You need to be on an upswing going into TI. These combined will be VP's big problem, but VP also has enough "do crazy stuff" ability to just win.
3) You need a good player to achieve "best player in the world" status for a week. Happens every TI, as that player will win 1-3 matches by their next-level play during the bracket. That's enough of a difference between going out in 6th and winning.
4) You don't set the meta; you solve the meta. This is true of every TI since #2. "Meta Riding" is how you get qualifier teams in Finals. Solving the Meta is how you win a tournament. See what LGD just did at MDL.
5) Avoid the team you match up with poorly. Especially avoiding teams from the same region in the upper bracket.
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On May 25 2018 11:02 arghyad1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 10:31 550 wrote:On May 25 2018 08:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 25 2018 07:40 Kipsate wrote:
TI gon be every china team fails but LGD win TI
I believeeeee That's normally the way it works. The off-year scene takes 4 of the top 6 but loses in the finals. It really is going to be LGD vs The World this year, unless the Meta shifts so radically for the Bracket that China is rolling. nah. its gonna be Optic or VP last few majors are good indicators of the most solid teams with the meta the so called "TI-curse/destiny" is obviously just a cool coincidence or good amount of work from the (previous) CN part Why Optic..?? Do you have any theory to back up your claims of putting Optic in the top 2 contenders for this TI?
yes im talking TI
its just a feeling i have
i watch streams of them playing together alot (3/4 people)
they are very comfortable with the meta and how they communicate
their wins have been good wins with them knowing what they want in game aswell
n probably what they want will happen (somebody to knock VP out, probably one of the CN teams, then after VP is out they be in such good shape)
not a huge fan of a particular player of them, but that team certainly looks like "the team"
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