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Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-18 13:01:35
March 18 2018 12:50 GMT
#81
this pick is so not VGJT, I not sure they can pull out a short timing line up like this
VGJT is going 0-5 in Grand Finals
-Terran-
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 18 2018 13:00 GMT
#82
On March 18 2018 21:50 Vertical wrote:
this pick is so not VGJT, I not sure they can pull out a short timing line up like this
VGJT is going 5-0 in Grand Finals


Who's supposed to out-carry PL?
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
March 18 2018 13:00 GMT
#83
On March 18 2018 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 21:10 ihatevideogames wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly going radiance on ls?

It's been the meta for quite some time now and probably his best build right now, unless you need to have early game presence in which case you go for Armlet + Desolator.

With Radiance LS can farm very fast, doesn't fall off later if he didn't have good early/mid game, you are even more tanky because with Radiance you usually go for Solar Crest and with level 20 talent that gives you 20% evasion, you have like ~45% evasion from Radi, Crest and talent. You are also not as one dimensional as Armlet + Desolator Naix that just hits one target and is very easy to kite, because of the Radiance that is constant damage and you also have like 460 permanent movement speed with level 15 talent that gives you +35 ms(pros take +30 damage on that level when they go for armlet + deso) and S&Y. If you go for Phaseboots instead of Treads, you are easily ~540 with Phase used.

Try it, it's incredibly good.


the only problem with the build is in mid range pubs people flame you and tilt when you do it. It does feel fantastic though. Hopefully this tourney with rtz doing it over and over changes that.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
March 18 2018 13:02 GMT
#84
On March 18 2018 22:00 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 21:50 Vertical wrote:
this pick is so not VGJT, I not sure they can pull out a short timing line up like this
VGJT is going 5-0 in Grand Finals


Who's supposed to out-carry PL?

I mistype 0-5
but are you sure you're reading my line correctly?
-Terran-
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 18 2018 13:03 GMT
#85
EG 2 stronk
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 18 2018 13:03 GMT
#86
yep underlord not good enough
It wasn't about PL really at all just the brutal push

BO3, and suepr lame GF lol
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-18 13:06:14
March 18 2018 13:04 GMT
#87
On March 18 2018 22:00 Atreides wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On March 18 2018 21:10 ihatevideogames wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly going radiance on ls?

It's been the meta for quite some time now and probably his best build right now, unless you need to have early game presence in which case you go for Armlet + Desolator.

With Radiance LS can farm very fast, doesn't fall off later if he didn't have good early/mid game, you are even more tanky because with Radiance you usually go for Solar Crest and with level 20 talent that gives you 20% evasion, you have like ~45% evasion from Radi, Crest and talent. You are also not as one dimensional as Armlet + Desolator Naix that just hits one target and is very easy to kite, because of the Radiance that is constant damage and you also have like 460 permanent movement speed with level 15 talent that gives you +35 ms(pros take +30 damage on that level when they go for armlet + deso) and S&Y. If you go for Phaseboots instead of Treads, you are easily ~540 with Phase used.

Try it, it's incredibly good.


the only problem with the build is in mid range pubs people flame you and tilt when you do it. It does feel fantastic though. Hopefully this tourney with rtz doing it over and over changes that.

Well that's the problem with pubs, pretty much everybody knows about it above 4k, and they don't say a word, but around 3k people are still going SB as first item on SF and generally make really bad items on most of the heroes, do some 2 years old builds and are more often than not completely out of the loop.

Also even if RTZ changes that and people start going Radi on Naix, they will be making it for completely wrong reasons and will still manage to just go for it at bad moment which will just result into autolose.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 18 2018 13:06 GMT
#88
On March 18 2018 22:02 Vertical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 22:00 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On March 18 2018 21:50 Vertical wrote:
this pick is so not VGJT, I not sure they can pull out a short timing line up like this
VGJT is going 5-0 in Grand Finals


Who's supposed to out-carry PL?

I mistype 0-5
but are you sure you're reading my line correctly?


I read it as you intended (0-5), but my question was about this draft. I still don't see how they expect to outcarry a PL with this lineup.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 18 2018 13:06 GMT
#89
On March 18 2018 22:03 LemOn wrote:
yep underlord not good enough
It wasn't about PL really at all just the brutal push

BO3, and suepr lame GF lol


After yesterday's Game 3 Throne pushes, today has been a tad anti-climatic.
BlazingGlory
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria855 Posts
March 18 2018 13:07 GMT
#90
This counts as a Valve event?
ihatevideogames
Profile Joined August 2015
570 Posts
March 18 2018 13:08 GMT
#91
On March 18 2018 22:00 Atreides wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On March 18 2018 21:10 ihatevideogames wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly going radiance on ls?

It's been the meta for quite some time now and probably his best build right now, unless you need to have early game presence in which case you go for Armlet + Desolator.

With Radiance LS can farm very fast, doesn't fall off later if he didn't have good early/mid game, you are even more tanky because with Radiance you usually go for Solar Crest and with level 20 talent that gives you 20% evasion, you have like ~45% evasion from Radi, Crest and talent. You are also not as one dimensional as Armlet + Desolator Naix that just hits one target and is very easy to kite, because of the Radiance that is constant damage and you also have like 460 permanent movement speed with level 15 talent that gives you +35 ms(pros take +30 damage on that level when they go for armlet + deso) and S&Y. If you go for Phaseboots instead of Treads, you are easily ~540 with Phase used.

Try it, it's incredibly good.


the only problem with the build is in mid range pubs people flame you and tilt when you do it. It does feel fantastic though. Hopefully this tourney with rtz doing it over and over changes that.

Yeah. The build seems very compeling and i really wanna try it, but at 3,5k I'm just gonna receive 4 reports for doing it, even if I do well with it.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-18 13:10:47
March 18 2018 13:08 GMT
#92
On March 18 2018 22:07 BlazingGlory wrote:
This counts as a Valve event?

yes

the point is very small though compared to major
-Terran-
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 18 2018 13:08 GMT
#93
pros know when to do it though
4k and lower I see naix go radiance vs my sepctre and be useless all game and then just get outcarried hard instead of just aggro tri get armlet end game at 35 min mark
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-18 13:10:44
March 18 2018 13:10 GMT
#94
On March 18 2018 22:06 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 22:02 Vertical wrote:
On March 18 2018 22:00 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On March 18 2018 21:50 Vertical wrote:
this pick is so not VGJT, I not sure they can pull out a short timing line up like this
VGJT is going 5-0 in Grand Finals


Who's supposed to out-carry PL?

I mistype 0-5
but are you sure you're reading my line correctly?


I read it as you intended (0-5), but my question was about this draft. I still don't see how they expect to outcarry a PL with this lineup.

They got caught with their pants off,
Realized way too late what's going on, forgot about visage so they had to scramble to even stay in the game, hence the underlord pick

If they went an actual carry like sven or sniper they'd get rolled even harder
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 18 2018 13:10 GMT
#95
On March 18 2018 22:08 Vertical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 22:07 BlazingGlory wrote:
This counts as a Valve event?

yes

although I dont think the points matter in this case


Results at Minors are going to matter for the #7 & #8. So every point counts.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7734 Posts
March 18 2018 13:11 GMT
#96
im so happy
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-18 13:14:12
March 18 2018 13:13 GMT
#97
On March 18 2018 22:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 22:08 Vertical wrote:
On March 18 2018 22:07 BlazingGlory wrote:
This counts as a Valve event?

yes

although I dont think the points matter in this case


Results at Minors are going to matter for the #7 & #8. So every point counts.

HUGELY important
getting to TI is all that matters, minors are super important now as the top teams will always scoop majors, 300 points is massive
[image loading]
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
BlazingGlory
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria855 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-18 13:22:01
March 18 2018 13:14 GMT
#98
EG are a strong team and would have made TI anyway. They looked good, but the opposition was lackluster. This is probly the weakest tourney giving points 2018.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 18 2018 13:18 GMT
#99
450 points?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 18 2018 13:21 GMT
#100
On March 18 2018 22:14 BlazingGlory wrote:
EG are a strong team and they would have made TI anyway. They looked strong, but the opposition was lackluster. This is probly the weakest tourney giving points 2018.


I was going to point out the early season LANs that were pretty bad, but those were technically 2017.
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