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[PGL] Bucharest Major - Knockout Stage Day 2

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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
March 09 2018 21:14 GMT
#1

PGL


Saturday, Mar 10 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)PGL/Bucharest Major/2018/Group Stage

Streams


PGL Main Stream

Format


  • Playoffs

  • The teams are seeded into a single-elimination bracket.
  • All matches are played in a Bo3, with a Bo5 finals.


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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
March 09 2018 21:14 GMT
#2
Poll: Virtus Pro vs Optic Gaming

Virtus Pro Win (21)
 
81%

Optic Gaming Win (5)
 
19%

26 total votes

Your vote: Virtus Pro vs Optic Gaming

(Vote): Virtus Pro Win
(Vote): Optic Gaming Win


Poll: VGJ Thunder vs Newbee

VGJ Thunder Win (12)
 
57%

Newbee Win (9)
 
43%

21 total votes

Your vote: VGJ Thunder vs Newbee

(Vote): VGJ Thunder Win
(Vote): Newbee Win


Poll: Team Liquid vs VP/Optic

Team Liquid Win (19)
 
53%

VP/Optic Win (17)
 
47%

36 total votes

Your vote: Team Liquid vs VP/Optic

(Vote): Team Liquid Win
(Vote): VP/Optic Win

ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-09 22:18:46
March 09 2018 22:17 GMT
#3
As much as I'd like OpTic to pull out the upset, I don't see it happening at all
VGJ.T has shown a lot of good games so I expect them to beat Newbee
VP should beat TL, but if OpTic somehow wins, TL should beat them
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
March 09 2018 22:30 GMT
#4
Optic hasn't been bad at all this tournament. They played pretty good teams in all 5 of their games and both of their losses were quite close. Of course VP is the favorite but interesting to see how strong Optic can be
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-09 23:36:23
March 09 2018 23:35 GMT
#5
I have a hard time seeing VP lose a bo3 against Optic. 1 Game, sure- but the series? 15% tops.

The last poll needs to be split up. I'm pretty sure the odds for TL- Optic differ a lot from TL - VP.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
March 10 2018 09:16 GMT
#6
Gyro AND Terrorblade... man, VP don't screw around
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
March 10 2018 09:30 GMT
#7
Disuptor with the casual 4 wards in inventory at 12 min xD
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 09:32:33
March 10 2018 09:32 GMT
#8
https://i.imgur.com/TRVY4mP.png

let's go
rip
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 09:32 GMT
#9
My concern is, does a six slotted Troll even win this game? Do his items matter against the VP cores?
super gg
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 09:36:17
March 10 2018 09:35 GMT
#10
no he doesnt or shouldnt
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 09:39:12
March 10 2018 09:38 GMT
#11
That rosh was a great call.

And then they get caught too easily. TB gonna TB.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 09:40 GMT
#12
nice throws og lol
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 09:42 GMT
#13
VP are so smart, playing it safe.
super gg
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 09:43 GMT
#14
disruptor is owning optic so hard
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
March 10 2018 09:44 GMT
#15
On March 10 2018 18:40 nVme wrote:
nice throws og lol


Dont know, their draft was kinda meh.
This game was from the start VPs to lose.
calippo
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2525 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 09:46:14
March 10 2018 09:45 GMT
#16
is ppd doing some new meta stuff where you don't use your ult?

edit: alright, it was the "dont use ult before 30 mins" type of meta
in it for the game not for the .... - PMS Army. [WUFC-SDK. VIM. PMS]
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
March 10 2018 09:46 GMT
#17
So that's how optic wins a fight : no GA, BKB on CD and VP focusing tethered troll after being hit by whirling axes.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 09:48:07
March 10 2018 09:47 GMT
#18
with plays like this xD
classic VP overconfidence
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 09:47 GMT
#19
whoever gets rosh and wins the next teamfight wins the game
game is late enough where both teams can clean the base
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 09:50 GMT
#20
ccnc is useless
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 10 2018 09:50 GMT
#21
HAHAHAHAHAHAH CCNC, JESUS CHRIST DUDE. :D :D :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
March 10 2018 09:50 GMT
#22
What CCNC ?
wtf was that bkb usage.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 09:50 GMT
#23
Damn, that CCNC is pretty underrated. Wordlclass player right there.
super gg
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
March 10 2018 09:52 GMT
#24
How do the casters not even talk about that bkb fail..
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 10 2018 09:52 GMT
#25
On March 10 2018 18:50 MrCon wrote:
What CCNC ?
wtf was that bkb usage.

He could've done like 5 different things, he just didn't do anything and straight up died, and before death popped BKB just so you know, it is stupid to be off cd. :'D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 10 2018 09:52 GMT
#26
ccnc?
High Risk Low Reward
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
March 10 2018 09:55 GMT
#27
Did Pajkatt just get bashed by the TB reflection illu?
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 09:55 GMT
#28
I mean, this is on the draft. VP firstpicked Omniknight and ppd thought it was a good idea to pick Troll, LC and DP into it. All three physical damage cores.
super gg
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 09:56 GMT
#29
why are they always focusing the gyro instead of omni, disruptor or et wow
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
March 10 2018 09:57 GMT
#30
great game from VP, one mistake, but quiet flawless.
And like always shit biased casters.
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
March 10 2018 09:57 GMT
#31
On March 10 2018 18:55 cecek wrote:
I mean, this is on the draft. VP firstpicked Omniknight and ppd thought it was a good idea to pick Troll, LC and DP into it. All three physical damage cores.


Exactly.
The only way to solve this problem is to Duel Omni but its kinda hard.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 09:57 GMT
#32
On March 10 2018 18:56 nVme wrote:
why are they always focusing the gyro instead of omni, disruptor or et wow

They can't get to them. Only Gyro and TB are in the front, the others aren't showing.
super gg
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 10 2018 09:58 GMT
#33
On March 10 2018 18:55 Slomo wrote:
Did Pajkatt just get bashed by the TB reflection illu?

Nah, illusions can't bash.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
March 10 2018 10:01 GMT
#34
and now analyst talking shit, this game was lost on the draft... heavy physical lineup with weaker lategame against Omni, TB xD
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 10:05:11
March 10 2018 10:04 GMT
#35
On March 10 2018 18:57 Tegenaria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2018 18:55 cecek wrote:
I mean, this is on the draft. VP firstpicked Omniknight and ppd thought it was a good idea to pick Troll, LC and DP into it. All three physical damage cores.


Exactly.
The only way to solve this problem is to Duel Omni but its kinda hard.


best thing is to bait with duel, wait for ga to be popped. then wisp relocates lc out and reset 😂

edit: they def need to replace ccnc i think hes the weakest link by far
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 10 2018 10:34 GMT
#36
Love how VP always get some offlane heroes that are not supposed to offlane. They used offlane Shadow Demon before, now it is Naga, and Pasha is one of the best offlaners there is.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
March 10 2018 10:35 GMT
#37
ccnc???????
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
March 10 2018 10:35 GMT
#38
What ?
wtf CCNC
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 10:35 GMT
#39
holy fack ccnc is soooo bad
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 10:37 GMT
#40
CCNC HAHAHA

Someone better make a highlight vid of his fails, reddit frontpage guaranteed.
super gg
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 10 2018 10:39 GMT
#41
On March 10 2018 19:37 cecek wrote:
CCNC HAHAHA

Someone better make a highlight vid of his fails, reddit frontpage guaranteed.

Didn't see what did he do now? :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
March 10 2018 10:44 GMT
#42
On March 10 2018 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2018 19:37 cecek wrote:
CCNC HAHAHA

Someone better make a highlight vid of his fails, reddit frontpage guaranteed.

Didn't see what did he do now? :D

He managed to escape a mid gank one hit away from death, rubick chased him to the t2 tower but DP is faster, but then he turns around and get fade bolted.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 10:44 GMT
#43
On March 10 2018 19:44 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2018 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On March 10 2018 19:37 cecek wrote:
CCNC HAHAHA

Someone better make a highlight vid of his fails, reddit frontpage guaranteed.

Didn't see what did he do now? :D

He managed to escape a mid gank one hit away from death, rubick chased him to the t2 tower but DP is faster, but then he turns around and get fade bolted.

And the Rubick even tp'd out and survived.
super gg
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 10 2018 10:46 GMT
#44
Pajkatt not getting level 2 ulti for Lifestealer at level 12 and couldn't get into Black Dragon to escape. :')
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
March 10 2018 10:54 GMT
#45
well... considering who OpTic was up against I guess it could have been worse?
LiquidDota Staff
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 10:56 GMT
#46
VP did kind of make Optic look stupid. But it's VP, they're probably the best team right now, or one of the at the very least.
super gg
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 10:56 GMT
#47
Has to be Solo MVP this game, right? Solo had a great game on the Rubick.
super gg
calippo
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2525 Posts
March 10 2018 10:57 GMT
#48
On March 10 2018 19:54 OmniEulogy wrote:
well... considering who OpTic was up against I guess it could have been worse?


they beat VP in the groupstage though so, i tihkn they had higher hopes than getting ran over in a bo3
in it for the game not for the .... - PMS Army. [WUFC-SDK. VIM. PMS]
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 10 2018 10:57 GMT
#49
On March 10 2018 19:56 cecek wrote:
Has to be Solo MVP this game, right? Solo had a great game on the Rubick.

I don't know, can't really say who is MVP, Pasha played out of his mind on offlane Naga, Rodjer and Solo killed it as support duo.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 10 2018 10:58 GMT
#50
On March 10 2018 19:57 calippo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2018 19:54 OmniEulogy wrote:
well... considering who OpTic was up against I guess it could have been worse?


they beat VP in the groupstage though so, i tihkn they had higher hopes than getting ran over in a bo3

Yeah but did you watch that game? It was Virtus.Throw all over again. :d
They had like 14k lead and managed to throw it all away.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 11:04 GMT
#51
"Was that series as easy as it looked?" "Yes it was."

Oof, you would expect him to say the usual bullshit 'actually no, it was tough and the enemy played really well,' etc. But nah, noone straight up gives the 'ez game' answer. I love it! :D
super gg
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
March 10 2018 11:05 GMT
#52
Noone is such a treat to interview
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
March 10 2018 11:50 GMT
#53
Faith having some fun on Chen here
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
March 10 2018 11:59 GMT
#54
high ground ruining leads again
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
March 10 2018 12:07 GMT
#55
I love Trent's enthusiasm and genuine enjoyment of the game.
If I'm asking noob questions, it's because I'm a noob, not because I'm being sarcastic.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
March 10 2018 12:10 GMT
#56
Somehow it's confusing how Bounty Hunters regularly get so many couriers in pro games. I'd think at some point teams would heavily adjust their courier usage when BH is in the game, but this is pretty terrible from Newbee
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
March 10 2018 12:13 GMT
#57
Imagine a game where TA did have bkb in those fights :S
Newbee pls watch your courier
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 12:16 GMT
#58
razor SUCKS
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 12:56 GMT
#59
meanwhile, loserfool fans on suicide watch
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
March 10 2018 13:13 GMT
#60
sylar's lycan is just too good.
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
March 10 2018 13:28 GMT
#61
Great shot calling at the end from VGJ.

This win means EG are out of the top8 in the dpc rankings.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 13:40 GMT
#62
vp or tl geeez, im thinking vp
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 13:48 GMT
#63
redeye better be the host at this years ti
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3238 Posts
March 10 2018 13:53 GMT
#64
On March 10 2018 22:48 nVme wrote:
redeye better be the host at this years ti

bring bruno and 2gd back :'(
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
March 10 2018 14:31 GMT
#65
VP is 4-0 down on kills, but maintain slight higher networth
-Terran-
BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
March 10 2018 14:36 GMT
#66
Feels like VP is turning up the tempo now, lets see if Liquid can handle the pressure!
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
March 10 2018 14:36 GMT
#67
chooo choooo
and suddenly Russian Lokomotiv steamrolling
-Terran-
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
March 10 2018 14:37 GMT
#68
VP reading Matu really well.
LiquidDota Staff
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 14:38 GMT
#69
main disadvantage of having invoker : it waits too long for him to get online.
hopefully miracle can make everything worths it.
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 14:42 GMT
#70
VP is scary. They play the map SO well. Some of the best smokes and ganks I've ever seen.
super gg
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
March 10 2018 14:44 GMT
#71
alright feed mode on
-Terran-
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 14:48 GMT
#72
liquid should give some farm to kuroky. he is too poor even for urn and he is dead everytime vp approach him.
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
March 10 2018 14:49 GMT
#73
VP is so fun to watch.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
March 10 2018 14:55 GMT
#74
With Rodjer, VP looking invincible. But then again, so were Secret not too long ago.
"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 15:00:29
March 10 2018 14:57 GMT
#75
Edit: nvm, he got a shivas after the necro3.

Imo they needed to farm the lycan up over the invo. I get that farm creates farm and you need Invo to be fat later on, but if Matu had a bkb a nec3 and the next talent earlier they might have been able to win fights on occasion.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 14:59 GMT
#76
and miracle invo is already rusty, he has been playing farming carry for too long
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
March 10 2018 15:01 GMT
#77
I dont care about any "show the supports love" BS , VP cores are just amazing and its not like Solo and Rodjer are bad or anything but god damn its a nightmare to lane vs VP cores , they are SOOOOOOO good
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 15:03:02
March 10 2018 15:02 GMT
#78
I think miracle played the lategame really well, but doom and tiny are well above nuke thresholds and all 3 vp cores had bkbs. And I haven't seen Invo win a pro match in quite some time.
low gravity, yes-yes!
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
March 10 2018 15:04 GMT
#79
I think the idea of Liquid picking Invoker is cool and all but the games stopped being fun to watch ever since Invoker got completely dumpstered. It's the same shit every time.
Sloke
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany2433 Posts
March 10 2018 15:06 GMT
#80
didn't see the whole game but lycan seemed really weak and matumba actually looked also weak in terms of decision making. But no doubt they will show up game 2.
Land of Confusion - Genesis/Disturbed/Stella Starlight Trio
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4355 Posts
March 10 2018 15:08 GMT
#81
I miss Slark. Nobody has picked him in forever
Sucker for nostalgia
Deckard_Cain
Profile Joined February 2012
493 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 15:10:14
March 10 2018 15:09 GMT
#82
Can ayeone pls elaborate the explanation Purge gave to why Kuroky got the deny on Invoker when iceblast was ticking? Ty
love can change what we want
kazyv
Profile Joined May 2013
273 Posts
March 10 2018 15:12 GMT
#83
iceblast awards the kill to the one who brings the hero under the threshold, purifying flame dmg teammates and enemies alike, so dmging your teammate to the point of him dropping below the threshold will award the kill which is a deny
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
March 10 2018 15:12 GMT
#84
On March 11 2018 00:08 DropBear wrote:
I miss Slark. Nobody has picked him in forever


Icefrog probably hit his head and selectively forgot that Slark ever existed honestly.
Deckard_Cain
Profile Joined February 2012
493 Posts
March 10 2018 15:16 GMT
#85
On March 11 2018 00:12 kazyv wrote:
iceblast awards the kill to the one who brings the hero under the threshold, purifying flame dmg teammates and enemies alike, so dmging your teammate to the point of him dropping below the threshold will award the kill which is a deny

Many thx to you!
love can change what we want
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 15:31 GMT
#86
i want to see sk agh in this game for maximum hilarity when he burrows entire phantom army
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
March 10 2018 15:38 GMT
#87
This is a brawling bloodbath.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 15:53:15
March 10 2018 15:39 GMT
#88
Oofff, who can stop VP?

e: apparently Liquid can O.o
If I'm asking noob questions, it's because I'm a noob, not because I'm being sarcastic.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
March 10 2018 15:51 GMT
#89
Apparently the good old TL Veno
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 15:51 GMT
#90
Pipe gaming, haha.
super gg
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 10 2018 15:52 GMT
#91
TI4 doto
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 10 2018 15:55 GMT
#92
so tanky lol
WriterXiao8~~
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
March 10 2018 15:57 GMT
#93
Sand king gets butchered by pipes so hard
In the woods, there lurks..
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
March 10 2018 16:05 GMT
#94
On March 11 2018 00:31 Snakesneaks wrote:
i want to see sk agh in this game for maximum hilarity when he burrows entire phantom army

aghs doesn't apply caustic to illus anymore, so it isn't as good of a counter as before.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
March 10 2018 16:16 GMT
#95
Huskar... Liquid doesn't give a damn! :D
There can only be one Geisterkarle
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 16:17 GMT
#96
wtf idk about huskar
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 16:17 GMT
#97
esp without an oracle it cant man up vs a tb
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 16:17 GMT
#98
they can prob nuke down dp though but noone’s dp is insane
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
March 10 2018 16:18 GMT
#99
this is an extremely odd liquid draft
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 16:19 GMT
#100
think tl is really underestimating tb
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 10 2018 16:27 GMT
#101
Err, VP just killed both of TL's cores before they came online and the casters don't say anything...
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
March 10 2018 16:28 GMT
#102
How did Liquid think last pick huskar carry is a good pick against VP lineup wtf
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 10 2018 16:30 GMT
#103
On March 11 2018 01:28 babysimba wrote:
How did Liquid think last pick huskar carry is a good pick against VP lineup wtf


I think it would've been fine if Miracle and Matu didn't get overwhelmed on bottom. Now their timing window is considerably shortened.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
March 10 2018 16:32 GMT
#104
I don't know if their window even exist now. 13 mins and Liquid hasn't even taken a single tier 1
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 10 2018 16:32 GMT
#105
That's okay, as long as there is armlet, Miracle- has a chance.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
March 10 2018 16:34 GMT
#106
I don't like how VP isn't rushing bkb as their 2nd core items, so I guess Liquid still has a good chance
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 16:37:09
March 10 2018 16:35 GMT
#107
liquids still in this doe because of ravage, warlock rock and fatal bonds

edit: soon as i say that what a throw, and was gonna mention game is all on noone with his silence to stop ravage and warlock
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
March 10 2018 16:36 GMT
#108
Ok nvm GG. Raped even with first ageis.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
March 10 2018 16:36 GMT
#109
On March 11 2018 01:35 nVme wrote:
liquids still in this doe because of ravage, warlock rock and fatal bonds

welp
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Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 16:36 GMT
#110
that is on MC who was late to ravage
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
March 10 2018 16:36 GMT
#111
That hg push was so terrible, wtf
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
March 10 2018 16:36 GMT
#112
that silence from noone completely ruined the fight
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
March 10 2018 16:36 GMT
#113
On March 11 2018 01:36 Snakesneaks wrote:
that is on MC who was late to ravage

he was silenced
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DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
March 10 2018 16:36 GMT
#114
What an awful attack by Liquid. Ravage comes when everyone is already dead...
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
March 10 2018 16:36 GMT
#115
What a defence
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
March 10 2018 16:36 GMT
#116
Why do Liquid always do these super-dangerous highground pushes at ~20 minutes?
If I'm asking noob questions, it's because I'm a noob, not because I'm being sarcastic.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2018 16:37 GMT
#117
Kuro should have probably WL ultied a bit earlier. Ravage is hard to pull of vs the silence but Kuro should have had the time to do it, right?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
March 10 2018 16:37 GMT
#118
On March 11 2018 01:36 Keardan wrote:
Why do Liquid always do these super-dangerous highground pushes at ~20 minutes?

Timing push. It's how they won TI7.
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nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
March 10 2018 16:37 GMT
#119
On March 11 2018 01:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2018 01:35 nVme wrote:
liquids still in this doe because of ravage, warlock rock and fatal bonds

welp


hahaha was typing right before the fight and had to edit.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 10 2018 16:38 GMT
#120
On March 11 2018 01:36 Keardan wrote:
Why do Liquid always do these super-dangerous highground pushes at ~20 minutes?


Look at their farm distribution. Miracle is the only relevant threat.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
March 10 2018 16:38 GMT
#121
Liquid going to have a hard time of it now.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
March 10 2018 16:38 GMT
#122
On March 11 2018 01:36 Keardan wrote:
Why do Liquid always do these super-dangerous highground pushes at ~20 minutes?

They are the only team in the world who constantly pull desperate moves when they know their timing window is about to run out. I'm sure they won a lot more games than they lost in this manner.
Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
March 10 2018 16:39 GMT
#123
On March 11 2018 01:37 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2018 01:36 Keardan wrote:
Why do Liquid always do these super-dangerous highground pushes at ~20 minutes?

Timing push. It's how they won TI7.

I guess you're right, and in the past it worked. These days I rarely see it work :-(
If I'm asking noob questions, it's because I'm a noob, not because I'm being sarcastic.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
March 10 2018 16:39 GMT
#124
Also what would you have them do, continue farming in the midgame when they're strongest with Huskar/Veno, and lose lategame to TB?
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 16:41 GMT
#125
This one's done, boys.
super gg
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
March 10 2018 16:43 GMT
#126
This huskar pick is so awful. No huskar support synergy. VP has plenty of silences, stuns and tons of physical damage on both cores.

Liquid was banking on winning the lanes a lot more with this huskar pick, but they didn't so they were fucked.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2018 16:43 GMT
#127
was TB just not clicking sunder in time or why did he die there? I don't know how liquid did this but they somehow won the fight oO
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
March 10 2018 16:44 GMT
#128
If only Miracle got the 2nd Armlet toggle somehow off there
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 16:44 GMT
#129
maybe buy some lifesteal miracle ?
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 10 2018 16:45 GMT
#130
Terrorblade vs Huskar 1v1 manfight, fuckin hell.
super gg
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
March 10 2018 16:45 GMT
#131
Miracle almost won the game with sheer mechanical skill alone if he managed to armlet toggle 1 more time successfully.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
March 10 2018 16:46 GMT
#132
Yeah this is a loss
Moderator
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 16:46 GMT
#133
it is over. can't even win with aegis and cheese.
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
March 10 2018 16:47 GMT
#134
Liquid's got some fight left in them but it feels like it's crawling to an inevitable loss.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2018 16:48 GMT
#135
gg
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
March 10 2018 16:49 GMT
#136
Liquid getting terrorbladed
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 16:49 GMT
#137
do liquid pick huskar just because tb cannot sunder him ?
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
March 10 2018 16:50 GMT
#138
Free DP tutorial for cc&c
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 16:51:54
March 10 2018 16:51 GMT
#139
On March 11 2018 01:49 Snakesneaks wrote:
do liquid pick huskar just because tb cannot sunder him ?

they picked him because they needed something to snowball and end in 20 minutes (+ maybe 10 more to "officially end" but you get the idea) vs what VP had. Huskar is exactly that it just didn't work out as t3 push in bottom just didn't work out.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 10 2018 16:53 GMT
#140
Holy crap, Solo is owning Liquid's souls.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 16:53 GMT
#141
the best illustration of banging your head against the wall
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
March 10 2018 16:54 GMT
#142
Really cool to see Virtus Plow showing up, hopefully Virtus Throw is no longer a thing
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
March 10 2018 16:54 GMT
#143
Liquid trying to play out of the meta meanwhile VP knows there's no beating the Terrorblade
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
March 10 2018 16:55 GMT
#144
i can hear lil is crying out there while writing another rant how vp mistreated him
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
March 10 2018 16:55 GMT
#145
VP already think they won the tournament after winning Liquid lol. They were looking at the trophy
MetalMercury
Profile Joined January 2015
United States1161 Posts
March 10 2018 16:55 GMT
#146
On March 11 2018 01:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2018 01:49 Snakesneaks wrote:
do liquid pick huskar just because tb cannot sunder him ?

they picked him because they needed something to snowball and end in 20 minutes (+ maybe 10 more to "officially end" but you get the idea) vs what VP had. Huskar is exactly that it just didn't work out as t3 push in bottom just didn't work out.


There was a silence by No One's DP in the bottom lane tier 3 fight that prevented Mind_ControL's ravage and pretty much decided the game.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2018 17:00 GMT
#147
On March 11 2018 01:55 MetalMercury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2018 01:51 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 11 2018 01:49 Snakesneaks wrote:
do liquid pick huskar just because tb cannot sunder him ?

they picked him because they needed something to snowball and end in 20 minutes (+ maybe 10 more to "officially end" but you get the idea) vs what VP had. Huskar is exactly that it just didn't work out as t3 push in bottom just didn't work out.


There was a silence by No One's DP in the bottom lane tier 3 fight that prevented Mind_ControL's ravage and pretty much decided the game.

I know, I wrote that myself when it happened.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
March 10 2018 17:02 GMT
#148
On March 11 2018 01:55 babysimba wrote:
VP already think they won the tournament after winning Liquid lol. They were looking at the trophy

they might aswell already did
they have amazing track record against Chinese team
-Terran-
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 10 2018 17:02 GMT
#149
This game reminded me how disgusting Urn is on Oracle.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
bigbadchen
Profile Joined July 2017
53 Posts
March 10 2018 17:15 GMT
#150
Mind control did it again. They really need early dagger for leviathan if they wanted to win but he had to finish his pipe first. Reminiscent of the time when fata was still in liquid and mc tide finished greaves instead of buying dagger. Mind control has been playing really well but sometime you need dagger as fast as you can. they could have won the game if ravage was on point at the aegis push. that was the turning point when dp and tb didnt have bkb and if they win the enganged, it will hurt their bkb timing more. Although MC had dagger eventually but its too little too late.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 17:28:32
March 10 2018 17:16 GMT
#151
Liquid won the series for me with Invoker-Huskar Miracle picks while VP are playing boring meta to win, and they might as well do it at this major.

TL by the looks of it are in for a endgame: with all the hype VP gets, they straight up rolled up and die at TI last year - this is the risk you are facing when you excel in a seasoned meta and build extra confidence from that.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
BreakupBoy
Profile Joined September 2016
Germany171 Posts
March 10 2018 17:22 GMT
#152
Didn't see the games but hyped for VP in the Finals, by far the most entertaining western team!
I hope VP pulls through!
(~ ̄▽ ̄)~
nVme
Profile Joined October 2010
952 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 18:32:43
March 10 2018 18:32 GMT
#153
vg.thunder is strong- should be more competitive than vp/vg
bigbadchen
Profile Joined July 2017
53 Posts
March 11 2018 00:53 GMT
#154
The last game against vp, the liquid team need better itemIzation. Early blink dagger on tide and veno would probably help the game. If they wanted to all in, they had to all in like they did in game 2.

Game 1 was just too greedy pick. All the 3 cores need some space and the oracle pick into AA was questionable. I thought Kuro could pull it off with a good ulti timing but he couldnt. Game 1 was No[o]ne tiny game, he played really well in pressuring liquid. Early dagger pretty much pay off to catch liquid off-guard just like early dk dagger on fear's DK in groupstage.

All in all, i think liquid has better individual talents but need better grasp of drafts to support their ability. Perhaps copying chinese drafts would help.
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