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Poll: Virtus Pro vs Optic GamingVirtus Pro Win (21) 81% Optic Gaming Win (5) 19% 26 total votes Your vote: Virtus Pro vs Optic Gaming (Vote): Virtus Pro Win (Vote): Optic Gaming Win
Poll: VGJ Thunder vs NewbeeVGJ Thunder Win (12) 57% Newbee Win (9) 43% 21 total votes Your vote: VGJ Thunder vs Newbee (Vote): VGJ Thunder Win (Vote): Newbee Win
Poll: Team Liquid vs VP/OpticTeam Liquid Win (19) 53% VP/Optic Win (17) 47% 36 total votes Your vote: Team Liquid vs VP/Optic (Vote): Team Liquid Win (Vote): VP/Optic Win
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As much as I'd like OpTic to pull out the upset, I don't see it happening at all VGJ.T has shown a lot of good games so I expect them to beat Newbee VP should beat TL, but if OpTic somehow wins, TL should beat them
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Optic hasn't been bad at all this tournament. They played pretty good teams in all 5 of their games and both of their losses were quite close. Of course VP is the favorite but interesting to see how strong Optic can be
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I have a hard time seeing VP lose a bo3 against Optic. 1 Game, sure- but the series? 15% tops.
The last poll needs to be split up. I'm pretty sure the odds for TL- Optic differ a lot from TL - VP.
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Gyro AND Terrorblade... man, VP don't screw around
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Disuptor with the casual 4 wards in inventory at 12 min xD
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
My concern is, does a six slotted Troll even win this game? Do his items matter against the VP cores?
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That rosh was a great call.
And then they get caught too easily. TB gonna TB.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
VP are so smart, playing it safe.
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disruptor is owning optic so hard
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On March 10 2018 18:40 nVme wrote: nice throws og lol
Dont know, their draft was kinda meh. This game was from the start VPs to lose.
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is ppd doing some new meta stuff where you don't use your ult?
edit: alright, it was the "dont use ult before 30 mins" type of meta
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So that's how optic wins a fight : no GA, BKB on CD and VP focusing tethered troll after being hit by whirling axes.
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with plays like this xD classic VP overconfidence
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whoever gets rosh and wins the next teamfight wins the game game is late enough where both teams can clean the base
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH CCNC, JESUS CHRIST DUDE. :D :D :D
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What CCNC ? wtf was that bkb usage.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Damn, that CCNC is pretty underrated. Wordlclass player right there.
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How do the casters not even talk about that bkb fail..
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On March 10 2018 18:50 MrCon wrote: What CCNC ? wtf was that bkb usage. He could've done like 5 different things, he just didn't do anything and straight up died, and before death popped BKB just so you know, it is stupid to be off cd. :'D
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Did Pajkatt just get bashed by the TB reflection illu?
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
I mean, this is on the draft. VP firstpicked Omniknight and ppd thought it was a good idea to pick Troll, LC and DP into it. All three physical damage cores.
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why are they always focusing the gyro instead of omni, disruptor or et wow
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great game from VP, one mistake, but quiet flawless. And like always shit biased casters.
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On March 10 2018 18:55 cecek wrote: I mean, this is on the draft. VP firstpicked Omniknight and ppd thought it was a good idea to pick Troll, LC and DP into it. All three physical damage cores.
Exactly. The only way to solve this problem is to Duel Omni but its kinda hard.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On March 10 2018 18:56 nVme wrote: why are they always focusing the gyro instead of omni, disruptor or et wow They can't get to them. Only Gyro and TB are in the front, the others aren't showing.
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On March 10 2018 18:55 Slomo wrote: Did Pajkatt just get bashed by the TB reflection illu? Nah, illusions can't bash.
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and now analyst talking shit, this game was lost on the draft... heavy physical lineup with weaker lategame against Omni, TB xD
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On March 10 2018 18:57 Tegenaria wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 18:55 cecek wrote: I mean, this is on the draft. VP firstpicked Omniknight and ppd thought it was a good idea to pick Troll, LC and DP into it. All three physical damage cores. Exactly. The only way to solve this problem is to Duel Omni but its kinda hard.
best thing is to bait with duel, wait for ga to be popped. then wisp relocates lc out and reset 😂
edit: they def need to replace ccnc i think hes the weakest link by far
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Love how VP always get some offlane heroes that are not supposed to offlane. They used offlane Shadow Demon before, now it is Naga, and Pasha is one of the best offlaners there is.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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holy fack ccnc is soooo bad
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
CCNC HAHAHA
Someone better make a highlight vid of his fails, reddit frontpage guaranteed.
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On March 10 2018 19:37 cecek wrote: CCNC HAHAHA
Someone better make a highlight vid of his fails, reddit frontpage guaranteed. Didn't see what did he do now? :D
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On March 10 2018 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 19:37 cecek wrote: CCNC HAHAHA
Someone better make a highlight vid of his fails, reddit frontpage guaranteed. Didn't see what did he do now? :D He managed to escape a mid gank one hit away from death, rubick chased him to the t2 tower but DP is faster, but then he turns around and get fade bolted.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On March 10 2018 19:44 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:On March 10 2018 19:37 cecek wrote: CCNC HAHAHA
Someone better make a highlight vid of his fails, reddit frontpage guaranteed. Didn't see what did he do now? :D He managed to escape a mid gank one hit away from death, rubick chased him to the t2 tower but DP is faster, but then he turns around and get fade bolted. And the Rubick even tp'd out and survived.
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Pajkatt not getting level 2 ulti for Lifestealer at level 12 and couldn't get into Black Dragon to escape. :')
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well... considering who OpTic was up against I guess it could have been worse?
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
VP did kind of make Optic look stupid. But it's VP, they're probably the best team right now, or one of the at the very least.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Has to be Solo MVP this game, right? Solo had a great game on the Rubick.
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On March 10 2018 19:54 OmniEulogy wrote: well... considering who OpTic was up against I guess it could have been worse?
they beat VP in the groupstage though so, i tihkn they had higher hopes than getting ran over in a bo3
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On March 10 2018 19:56 cecek wrote: Has to be Solo MVP this game, right? Solo had a great game on the Rubick. I don't know, can't really say who is MVP, Pasha played out of his mind on offlane Naga, Rodjer and Solo killed it as support duo.
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On March 10 2018 19:57 calippo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 19:54 OmniEulogy wrote: well... considering who OpTic was up against I guess it could have been worse? they beat VP in the groupstage though so, i tihkn they had higher hopes than getting ran over in a bo3 Yeah but did you watch that game? It was Virtus.Throw all over again. :d They had like 14k lead and managed to throw it all away.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
"Was that series as easy as it looked?" "Yes it was."
Oof, you would expect him to say the usual bullshit 'actually no, it was tough and the enemy played really well,' etc. But nah, noone straight up gives the 'ez game' answer. I love it! :D
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Noone is such a treat to interview
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Faith having some fun on Chen here
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high ground ruining leads again
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I love Trent's enthusiasm and genuine enjoyment of the game.
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Somehow it's confusing how Bounty Hunters regularly get so many couriers in pro games. I'd think at some point teams would heavily adjust their courier usage when BH is in the game, but this is pretty terrible from Newbee
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Imagine a game where TA did have bkb in those fights :S Newbee pls watch your courier
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meanwhile, loserfool fans on suicide watch
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sylar's lycan is just too good.
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Great shot calling at the end from VGJ.
This win means EG are out of the top8 in the dpc rankings.
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vp or tl geeez, im thinking vp
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redeye better be the host at this years ti
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On March 10 2018 22:48 nVme wrote: redeye better be the host at this years ti bring bruno and 2gd back :'(
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VP is 4-0 down on kills, but maintain slight higher networth
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Feels like VP is turning up the tempo now, lets see if Liquid can handle the pressure!
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chooo choooo and suddenly Russian Lokomotiv steamrolling
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VP reading Matu really well.
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main disadvantage of having invoker : it waits too long for him to get online. hopefully miracle can make everything worths it.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
VP is scary. They play the map SO well. Some of the best smokes and ganks I've ever seen.
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liquid should give some farm to kuroky. he is too poor even for urn and he is dead everytime vp approach him.
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With Rodjer, VP looking invincible. But then again, so were Secret not too long ago.
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Edit: nvm, he got a shivas after the necro3.
Imo they needed to farm the lycan up over the invo. I get that farm creates farm and you need Invo to be fat later on, but if Matu had a bkb a nec3 and the next talent earlier they might have been able to win fights on occasion.
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and miracle invo is already rusty, he has been playing farming carry for too long
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I dont care about any "show the supports love" BS , VP cores are just amazing and its not like Solo and Rodjer are bad or anything but god damn its a nightmare to lane vs VP cores , they are SOOOOOOO good
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I think miracle played the lategame really well, but doom and tiny are well above nuke thresholds and all 3 vp cores had bkbs. And I haven't seen Invo win a pro match in quite some time.
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I think the idea of Liquid picking Invoker is cool and all but the games stopped being fun to watch ever since Invoker got completely dumpstered. It's the same shit every time.
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didn't see the whole game but lycan seemed really weak and matumba actually looked also weak in terms of decision making. But no doubt they will show up game 2.
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I miss Slark. Nobody has picked him in forever
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Can ayeone pls elaborate the explanation Purge gave to why Kuroky got the deny on Invoker when iceblast was ticking? Ty
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iceblast awards the kill to the one who brings the hero under the threshold, purifying flame dmg teammates and enemies alike, so dmging your teammate to the point of him dropping below the threshold will award the kill which is a deny
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On March 11 2018 00:08 DropBear wrote:I miss Slark. Nobody has picked him in forever 
Icefrog probably hit his head and selectively forgot that Slark ever existed honestly.
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On March 11 2018 00:12 kazyv wrote: iceblast awards the kill to the one who brings the hero under the threshold, purifying flame dmg teammates and enemies alike, so dmging your teammate to the point of him dropping below the threshold will award the kill which is a deny Many thx to you!
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i want to see sk agh in this game for maximum hilarity when he burrows entire phantom army
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This is a brawling bloodbath.
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Oofff, who can stop VP?
e: apparently Liquid can O.o
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Apparently the good old TL Veno
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Netherlands45349 Posts
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Sand king gets butchered by pipes so hard
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On March 11 2018 00:31 Snakesneaks wrote: i want to see sk agh in this game for maximum hilarity when he burrows entire phantom army aghs doesn't apply caustic to illus anymore, so it isn't as good of a counter as before.
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Huskar... Liquid doesn't give a damn! :D
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esp without an oracle it cant man up vs a tb
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they can prob nuke down dp though but noone’s dp is insane
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this is an extremely odd liquid draft
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think tl is really underestimating tb
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United States15275 Posts
Err, VP just killed both of TL's cores before they came online and the casters don't say anything...
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How did Liquid think last pick huskar carry is a good pick against VP lineup wtf
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United States15275 Posts
On March 11 2018 01:28 babysimba wrote: How did Liquid think last pick huskar carry is a good pick against VP lineup wtf
I think it would've been fine if Miracle and Matu didn't get overwhelmed on bottom. Now their timing window is considerably shortened.
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I don't know if their window even exist now. 13 mins and Liquid hasn't even taken a single tier 1
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
That's okay, as long as there is armlet, Miracle- has a chance.
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I don't like how VP isn't rushing bkb as their 2nd core items, so I guess Liquid still has a good chance
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liquids still in this doe because of ravage, warlock rock and fatal bonds
edit: soon as i say that what a throw, and was gonna mention game is all on noone with his silence to stop ravage and warlock
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Ok nvm GG. Raped even with first ageis.
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
On March 11 2018 01:35 nVme wrote: liquids still in this doe because of ravage, warlock rock and fatal bonds welp
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that is on MC who was late to ravage
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That hg push was so terrible, wtf
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
that silence from noone completely ruined the fight
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On March 11 2018 01:36 Snakesneaks wrote: that is on MC who was late to ravage he was silenced
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What an awful attack by Liquid. Ravage comes when everyone is already dead...
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Why do Liquid always do these super-dangerous highground pushes at ~20 minutes?
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Kuro should have probably WL ultied a bit earlier. Ravage is hard to pull of vs the silence but Kuro should have had the time to do it, right?
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
On March 11 2018 01:36 Keardan wrote: Why do Liquid always do these super-dangerous highground pushes at ~20 minutes? Timing push. It's how they won TI7.
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On March 11 2018 01:36 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 01:35 nVme wrote: liquids still in this doe because of ravage, warlock rock and fatal bonds welp
hahaha was typing right before the fight and had to edit.
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United States15275 Posts
On March 11 2018 01:36 Keardan wrote: Why do Liquid always do these super-dangerous highground pushes at ~20 minutes?
Look at their farm distribution. Miracle is the only relevant threat.
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Liquid going to have a hard time of it now.
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On March 11 2018 01:36 Keardan wrote: Why do Liquid always do these super-dangerous highground pushes at ~20 minutes? They are the only team in the world who constantly pull desperate moves when they know their timing window is about to run out. I'm sure they won a lot more games than they lost in this manner.
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On March 11 2018 01:37 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 01:36 Keardan wrote: Why do Liquid always do these super-dangerous highground pushes at ~20 minutes? Timing push. It's how they won TI7. I guess you're right, and in the past it worked. These days I rarely see it work :-(
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
Also what would you have them do, continue farming in the midgame when they're strongest with Huskar/Veno, and lose lategame to TB?
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
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This huskar pick is so awful. No huskar support synergy. VP has plenty of silences, stuns and tons of physical damage on both cores.
Liquid was banking on winning the lanes a lot more with this huskar pick, but they didn't so they were fucked.
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was TB just not clicking sunder in time or why did he die there? I don't know how liquid did this but they somehow won the fight oO
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If only Miracle got the 2nd Armlet toggle somehow off there
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maybe buy some lifesteal miracle ?
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Terrorblade vs Huskar 1v1 manfight, fuckin hell.
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Miracle almost won the game with sheer mechanical skill alone if he managed to armlet toggle 1 more time successfully.
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
Yeah this is a loss
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it is over. can't even win with aegis and cheese.
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Liquid's got some fight left in them but it feels like it's crawling to an inevitable loss.
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gg
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Liquid getting terrorbladed
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do liquid pick huskar just because tb cannot sunder him ?
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Free DP tutorial for cc&c
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On March 11 2018 01:49 Snakesneaks wrote: do liquid pick huskar just because tb cannot sunder him ? they picked him because they needed something to snowball and end in 20 minutes (+ maybe 10 more to "officially end" but you get the idea) vs what VP had. Huskar is exactly that it just didn't work out as t3 push in bottom just didn't work out.
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United States15275 Posts
Holy crap, Solo is owning Liquid's souls.
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the best illustration of banging your head against the wall
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Really cool to see Virtus Plow showing up, hopefully Virtus Throw is no longer a thing
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Liquid trying to play out of the meta meanwhile VP knows there's no beating the Terrorblade
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i can hear lil is crying out there while writing another rant how vp mistreated him
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VP already think they won the tournament after winning Liquid lol. They were looking at the trophy
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On March 11 2018 01:51 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 01:49 Snakesneaks wrote: do liquid pick huskar just because tb cannot sunder him ? they picked him because they needed something to snowball and end in 20 minutes (+ maybe 10 more to "officially end" but you get the idea) vs what VP had. Huskar is exactly that it just didn't work out as t3 push in bottom just didn't work out.
There was a silence by No One's DP in the bottom lane tier 3 fight that prevented Mind_ControL's ravage and pretty much decided the game.
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On March 11 2018 01:55 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 01:51 Toadesstern wrote:On March 11 2018 01:49 Snakesneaks wrote: do liquid pick huskar just because tb cannot sunder him ? they picked him because they needed something to snowball and end in 20 minutes (+ maybe 10 more to "officially end" but you get the idea) vs what VP had. Huskar is exactly that it just didn't work out as t3 push in bottom just didn't work out. There was a silence by No One's DP in the bottom lane tier 3 fight that prevented Mind_ControL's ravage and pretty much decided the game. I know, I wrote that myself when it happened.
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On March 11 2018 01:55 babysimba wrote: VP already think they won the tournament after winning Liquid lol. They were looking at the trophy they might aswell already did they have amazing track record against Chinese team
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United States15275 Posts
This game reminded me how disgusting Urn is on Oracle.
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Mind control did it again. They really need early dagger for leviathan if they wanted to win but he had to finish his pipe first. Reminiscent of the time when fata was still in liquid and mc tide finished greaves instead of buying dagger. Mind control has been playing really well but sometime you need dagger as fast as you can. they could have won the game if ravage was on point at the aegis push. that was the turning point when dp and tb didnt have bkb and if they win the enganged, it will hurt their bkb timing more. Although MC had dagger eventually but its too little too late.
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Liquid won the series for me with Invoker-Huskar Miracle picks while VP are playing boring meta to win, and they might as well do it at this major.
TL by the looks of it are in for a endgame: with all the hype VP gets, they straight up rolled up and die at TI last year - this is the risk you are facing when you excel in a seasoned meta and build extra confidence from that.
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Didn't see the games but hyped for VP in the Finals, by far the most entertaining western team! I hope VP pulls through!
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vg.thunder is strong- should be more competitive than vp/vg
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The last game against vp, the liquid team need better itemIzation. Early blink dagger on tide and veno would probably help the game. If they wanted to all in, they had to all in like they did in game 2.
Game 1 was just too greedy pick. All the 3 cores need some space and the oracle pick into AA was questionable. I thought Kuro could pull it off with a good ulti timing but he couldnt. Game 1 was No[o]ne tiny game, he played really well in pressuring liquid. Early dagger pretty much pay off to catch liquid off-guard just like early dk dagger on fear's DK in groupstage.
All in all, i think liquid has better individual talents but need better grasp of drafts to support their ability. Perhaps copying chinese drafts would help.
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