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ref4
2933 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:45 Nedereden wrote: Are you srs bout that? Current iteration EG better than OG? Sigh... when will you guys reach acceptance? come on now EG has been top 4 to like 20 different LAN's in the past year or something all of a sudden OG beats Newbee and omg they're the best team in teh world!! 1 one | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
But they also have to be the best team in the West, That is not yet fact. | ||
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
It does help to have all of the teams working really hard in preparation for Manila. Which bodes really well for the Major. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 13 2016 06:05 Wineandbread wrote: So who plays in the game after col vs VP tomorrow? still says TBD vs TBD on the schedule Liquidpedia has Newbee vs against the winner of Secret vs Alliance. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
Before Shanghai brackets: Secret tier 3 team lost to MVP and had shit results after Cr1t called them trash from end of Frankfurt Every potentially top tier team is a single tournament away from changing the narrative you people are so fucking dramatic and this isn't even a relevant tournament in the first place | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 13 2016 06:12 hariooo wrote: Before Frankfurt brackets: OG tier 3 team lost twice to Vega Before Shanghai brackets: Secret tier 3 team lost to MVP and had shit results after Cr1t called them trash from end of Frankfurt Every potentially top tier team is a single tournament away from changing the narrative you people are so fucking dramatic and this isn't even a relevant tournament in the first place OG were tier 2 whole Frankfurt, get with your tiers. Also, Vega was considered kinda good back at Frankfurt. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:33 Azarkon wrote: OG tried to play their own game against Kuroky's team and lost bad. Thinking that strategy has little to do with it is ridiculous. Newbee looked bad in their third game against OG because of how easy it was to out pick them. Now, Secret doesn't necessarily have the heroes and team work to do it. But that's why I said - provided they win tomorrow's games without a problem, which would then show that they have found their team work, because they're going up against teams that do have team work. Never did I say that strategy had little to do with it, what I'm saying is that Secret would have lost Game 1 vs Newbee had they been given OG's heroes, simply because they cannot play the strategy OG used as well as OG plays it. Liquid were prepared for OG's style because they had studied/scrimmed against it and simply outplayed them based on that, Newbee obviously weren't prepared. But OG's basic strategy of defensive supports, tanky cores and great team fight was the same against each of their opponents, they didn't specifically draft any special "counter newbee" line-up that everyone can now copy to easily beat Newbee | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 13 2016 07:09 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: Never did I say that strategy had little to do with it, what I'm saying is that Secret would have lost Game 1 vs Newbee had they been given OG's heroes, simply because they cannot play the strategy OG used as well as OG plays it. Liquid were prepared for OG's style because they had studied/scrimmed against it and simply outplayed them based on that, Newbee obviously weren't prepared. But OG's basic strategy of defensive supports, tanky cores and great team fight was the same against each of their opponents, they didn't specifically draft any special "counter newbee" line-up that everyone can now copy to easily beat Newbee We'll see tomorrow, I guess. My personal thought about Newbee is that as a team, they play a certain way and with specific heroes, and don't change it up as much as, say, PPD's team does. OG found a way to beat the usual Newbee; Secret might or might not, but it ought to be easier for them to do so now that OG has shown two ways to deal with Newbee's run at you team fight strategy. Of course, Secret has to get through Alliance, first. They won't necessarily do so. | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On May 13 2016 06:12 hariooo wrote: Before Frankfurt brackets: OG tier 3 team lost twice to Vega Before Shanghai brackets: Secret tier 3 team lost to MVP and had shit results after Cr1t called them trash from end of Frankfurt Every potentially top tier team is a single tournament away from changing the narrative you people are so fucking dramatic and this isn't even a relevant tournament in the first place I think at least in part it's to do with just how few games a lot of these teams play now. It gives people even less to judge them off of, so when you finally do see them play, and they lose, it's no surprise people would be reacting pretty strongly. I do agree though that even with this in mind, our community is still way too dramatic. But I guess that's what it's all about nowadays, people want this forced and fake "storyline" bullshit for every tourney ever, so they put even more meaning on every match that's played. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
they wouldn't want to run into major or TI and be "figured out" or into a style that counter them. that's the bane of Chinese teams, great timings (when they bother to practice), stubborn reliance on picks that achieve those timings, refusal to adapt until they run into a brick wall, then they disband and find another style. that might be a TI4 era championship team, with the rise of west and the general understanding of the game these days, they won't be able to reproduce such results with the way they run their games. newbee and China as a whole needs to diversify and really get into the pick/ban game. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On May 13 2016 09:46 haduken wrote: I think the loss is actually a gift for newbee. they wouldn't want to run into major or TI and be "figured out" or into a style that counter them. that's the bane of Chinese teams, great timings (when they bother to practice), stubborn reliance on picks that achieve those timings, refusal to adapt until they run into a brick wall, then they disband and find another style. that might be a TI4 era championship team, with the rise of west and the general understanding of the game these days, they won't be able to reproduce such results with the way they run their games. newbee and China as a whole needs to diversify and really get into the pick/ban game. Overconfidence can be a thing for many teams that win too much before TI, if they think their strategy is impregnable or their skill is insurmountable. That's not to abandon style though because teams have to play their style but still adapt to the meta. Like OG has a distinct style and Alliance has too. Reinventing themselves with other styles just doesn't work that well. I don't see the critique about range of ban/picks. There is plenty of variety in games among Chinese but teams still play their own style and have varied amounts of success. | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
On May 13 2016 10:44 OuchyDathurts wrote: Just watched the VoDs. Pretty sure this is going to be a rough 6 months. I feel like AUI contributes nothing at all. His carry play is really bad honestly. new teams new patch. everything is reset. now please for the love of icefrog everyone stop whining about your once top team not beeing at the top anymore. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On May 13 2016 10:55 Nyan wrote: https://twitter.com/FearDotA/status/726835891235336193 new teams new patch. everything is reset. now please for the love of icefrog everyone stop whining about your once top team not beeing at the top anymore. I mean, that's just flat out not true. But they can't change roles around because nothing would change. Gotta go back to the drawing board honestly or puberty better provide Sumail with some REALLY broad shoulders. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
Newbee too often get outdrafted. They "survive" Secret and EG by picking tanks and hold the game as long as possible until their enemies make mistakes. While OG pick the cheese strat and go for ultimate timing builds (at least in game 3) and Phoenix basically melts their Tanks in 2 first game, then force then to no lockdown in game 2 | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
I'm not defending Aui or anyone in particular, just that core positions generally got bashed more frequently when things go wrong simply on the assumption that they should have performed better because they had more farm. | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
When Newbee started crumbling whose fault was it? I don't think they played worse, their strategy was just inferior for that game and they unraveled pretty quickly against OG's style of gameplay. EG might look like they have execution problems, but maybe that is because they are setting themselves up for failure. When your criteria for winning requires too many specifics, maybe its time to think of a better plan. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
That TA cosplay  | ||
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