EPTNow that he's whiffing on some basic ultimate button pressing, I'm even less fan.
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Now that he's whiffing on some basic ultimate button pressing, I'm even less fan. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:12 Aldehyde wrote: This week EG and Secret are T3.I genuinely feel that people consistently read too much into too little. This constant talk about which team is t1/2/3.... Whatever, it changes from week to week and it's all because we don't see them play enough games to really know. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:07 Taf the Ghost wrote: Through time, I think this EG lineup can be decent. But it is imperative that PPD can figure out a style or two.Aui isn't as efficient of a farmer as Arteezy, but he's also not playing a Hard 1 position unless he's on something like Sven. The types of ganks done to him are the same things that actually happened to Arteezy. Weirdly, both seem to have the over extension problem but it shows up in different ways. If I had to put it a way, I think Arteezy will under-think situations and charge in & Aui over-thinks and over-positions himself. (The Blink into the last .5 of the Chrono would have been sweet, if the rest of Liquid wasn't right behind where he couldn't see.) It's also important to understand that EG has adopted much more of the TI5 era relationship that Sumail & Fear had. People forget that Fear was "King of the Ancients" during TI5, having the highest gold % from Ancients of anyone in the tournament. EG also would switch farm in the middle of the game, depending on who's needs what & who had the better start. So the roles are a little different. Though credit to Kuroky & Heen and their preparation. AA really countered so much of what EG wanted to do in the early game. It may be futile though, as it is almost certain they will wedge Zai in at some point. The proble is not Aui nor Bulba per say, but the lack of direction and being in sync. | ||
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Yurie
11875 Posts
EG beat them in placement in group stage and got second in their group. Secret lost both their series. Can't really put them at the same level after the showings they have had. Way too few games for a tier though. You need a long period to actually judge things, which is what variants of ELO ratings are good for. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:12 Aldehyde wrote: I genuinely feel that people consistently read too much into too little. This constant talk about which team is t1/2/3.... Whatever, it changes from week to week and it's all because we don't see them play enough games to really know. Lose? Disband! Win? Reband! Draft Lost? Fire the drafter! Draft Win? Next genius! Such is the life of L/R threads. On a more calmer level. NewBee isn't terrible after losing one Bo3, but have better learn and adapt. OG looks stronger on this patch after finally playing some games on this one. Liquid making a strong case to be in the finals yet again. Evil Geniuses? Have some issues and Storm still sucks. Win or Lose, Epicenter is a great cup but against Major or TI, it doesn't even matter all that much. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:18 Yurie wrote: Beat whom? EG beat VP twice, and lost to Newbee. Secret just lost.EG beat them in placement in group stage and got second in their group. Secret lost both their series. Can't really put them at the same level after the showings they have had. Way too few games for a tier though. You need a long period to actually judge things, which is what variants of ELO ratings are good for. | ||
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Nedereden
777 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:08 Talin wrote: Universe was only good because the team around him was good, just like every other player. Crazy that you get to say things like that. Oh yeah ofc now that hes not doing so well pile on the keyboard warrior hate train eh? As an offlane player to do the things that Universe and Zai on their teams have done, is far more than simple numbers and digits can say. They provided a trusted backbone.... a vertebral column the team cud always fall back on when the mids and carries were down (which was often), buying them time to farm back up, threatening objectives without feeding ALL THIS MOSTLY SINGLEHANDEDLY cos thats jus how offlaners do it. Now im not denying the validity of your point - but to say that the only reason Universe was good was cos of the rest of the team... THAT is a flat out bullshit statement. For one thing he was on EG for literally 2 years and was the rock for the team 99% of the time. I dont think its fair to call out people when they are in a rare bad patch by saying they were never good in the first place. That just reeks of populist bias and bandwagonning imo. Peace. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:19 TanGeng wrote: Aren't you and yours much of the reason for this overhype, overexaggeration of whom are good etc, until you actually find out the world is more grey area?Lose? Disband! Win? Reband! Draft Lost? Fire the drafter! Draft Win? Next genius! Such is the life of L/R threads. On a more calmer level. NewBee isn't terrible after losing one Bo3, but have better learn and adapt. OG looks stronger on this patch after finally playing some games on this one. Liquid making a strong case to be in the finals yet again. Evil Geniuses? Have some issues and Storm still sucks. Win or Lose, Epicenter is a great cup but against Major or TI, it doesn't even matter all that much. | ||
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:21 Dracolich70 wrote: Aren't you and yours much of the reason for this overhype, overexaggeration of whom are good etc, until you actually find out the world is more grey area? Do you mean the previews and such? Because, yeah, those can fall on the overly dramatic side but it makes sense, they're just normal dudes who like Dota like the rest of us. The "problem" is with the whole community's mentality towards winning/losing and the meaning of it all. Probably won't change, too much fun to talk about dumpsters and these "dank" memes. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:06 Dracolich70 wrote: It is impossible to synergize with the players they have in Secret. Whatever predicament EG had with RTZ/Sumail, is even worse in Secret. Not to brag but I called it after the TI shuffle, told that secret and eg looked weaker to me (and that RTZ, whatever talent he has, also somehow always end up in the losing team) | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:25 Aldehyde wrote: Not just the previews, but their own opinions in the threads until proven wrong. Then they pretend it never happened.Do you mean the previews and such? Because, yeah, those can fall on the overly dramatic side but it makes sense, they're just normal dudes who like Dota like the rest of us. The "problem" is with the whole community's mentality towards winning/losing and the meaning of it all. Probably won't change, too much fun to talk about dumpsters and these "dank" memes. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:26 MrCon wrote: There is nothing wrong with the players per say, but they don't fit, it is like fitting a round peg in a square hole.Not to brag but I called it after the TI shuffle, told that secret and eg looked weaker to me (and that RTZ, whatever talent he has, also somehow always end up in the losing team) | ||
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:26 Dracolich70 wrote: Not just the previews, but their own opinions in the threads until proven wrong. Then they pretend it never happened. Don't follow the LRs on here frequently enough to notice many individual people other than maybe Azarkon. And that's primarily because he gets quoted 5 times per page. | ||
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Nedereden
777 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:26 MrCon wrote: Not to brag but I called it after the TI shuffle, told that secret and eg looked weaker to me (and that RTZ, whatever talent he has, also somehow always end up in the losing team) Its wayyy to early in the patch meta and in the teams dynamic to say you were right. Get a perspective. All the teams are scrambling right now. When the rest of the patch meta-mayhem settles down, the teams with the better play will shine. Rather than now - when 75% of the game is decided at the drafting stage. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:10 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: OG didn't show anyone anything. They just played their own game at which they are by far the best in the world, and evem then they barely beat newbee in a very close series. To think that this secret team could play OGs strategy anywhere close to that level is delusional. Newbee isn't a one trick pony that you destroy once you figured out their style, they are a legitimately strong team. OG tried to play their own game against Kuroky's team and lost bad. Thinking that strategy has little to do with it is ridiculous. Newbee looked bad in their third game against OG because of how easy it was to out pick them. Now, Secret doesn't necessarily have the heroes and team work to do it. But that's why I said - provided they win tomorrow's games without a problem, which would then show that they have found their team work, because they're going up against teams that do have team work. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:32 Aldehyde wrote: Don't follow the LRs on here frequently enough to notice many individual people other than maybe Azarkon. And that's primarily because he gets quoted 5 times per page. specifically he's mad at everybody with the moderator tag because i told him og aren't the 5 best dota players in the land and that i happen to think EG are better than OG | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:32 Aldehyde wrote: Don't follow the LRs on here frequently enough to notice many individual people other than maybe Azarkon. And that's primarily because he gets quoted 5 times per page. the squeakiest wheel gets the grease | ||
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:34 Sn0_Man wrote: specifically he's mad at everybody with the moderator tag because i told him og aren't the 5 best dota players in the land and that i happen to think EG are better than OG Well, that's just outrageous. They're both equally tier 3, obviously. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Cause Azarkon probably is really high up there. So much to read. Thankfully it's after the games so I don't miss all the important stuff like I do when trying to LR | ||
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Nedereden
777 Posts
On May 13 2016 05:34 Sn0_Man wrote: specifically he's mad at everybody with the moderator tag because i told him og aren't the 5 best dota players in the land and that i happen to think EG are better than OG Are you srs bout that? Current iteration EG better than OG? Sigh... when will you guys reach acceptance? | ||
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