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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
May 14 2016 10:21 GMT
#4501
On May 14 2016 19:13 Danzo wrote:



Seems like he needs a hand from his pal Icefrog
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
May 14 2016 10:22 GMT
#4502
On May 14 2016 19:19 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:17 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:08 Shaella wrote:
I honestly feel like that series was on PPD

100%

those drafts...


Yeah, ppd didn't adjust to this tournament well. (Granted, against TL, I thought they had the better drafts both games, until the AA hard-countered them.) I only caught the last half of Game 2, but the tournament has gone for this early-moving, tanky & sustain approach (because of Newbee). ppd just doesn't really want to draft that way. Though maybe he's running into a comfortable hero pool issue with Aui at the moment and his options will improve over time.

Though, honestly, I was expecting a lot of wonky drafts from both teams, since I'm sure they scrim against each other occasionally. Inter-team Metas do develop, which probably explains the Dark Seer ban.
Thought you were on about how PPD outdrafted OG, and EG looked stronger coming into the semis of this. Perhaps people will realize that PPD isn't a draft god, which has been apparently for I don't know how long, but gets all his ideas from others.


Let's not get carried away based off one tournament. PPD coming into EG has made them one of the most consistent top 3 teams in Dota 2.
Getting too old for this..
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 10:23:34
May 14 2016 10:22 GMT
#4503
On May 14 2016 19:19 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:17 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:08 Shaella wrote:
I honestly feel like that series was on PPD

100%

those drafts...


Yeah, ppd didn't adjust to this tournament well. (Granted, against TL, I thought they had the better drafts both games, until the AA hard-countered them.) I only caught the last half of Game 2, but the tournament has gone for this early-moving, tanky & sustain approach (because of Newbee). ppd just doesn't really want to draft that way. Though maybe he's running into a comfortable hero pool issue with Aui at the moment and his options will improve over time.

Though, honestly, I was expecting a lot of wonky drafts from both teams, since I'm sure they scrim against each other occasionally. Inter-team Metas do develop, which probably explains the Dark Seer ban.
Thought you were on about how PPD outdrafted OG, and EG looked stronger coming into the semis of this. Perhaps people will realize that PPD isn't a draft god, which has been apparently for I don't know how long, but gets all his ideas from others.

the entire concept of meta relies of borrowing ideas from others from watching their play/picks

you literally can't be a drafter and have original ideas totally independent from others
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
May 14 2016 10:22 GMT
#4504
On May 14 2016 19:21 Danzo wrote:
This patch sucks. Beastmaster once again just farms the jungle like a madman, Armlet str.carries are back in full force with heavy push strats. It's like TI4 but with longer games.


They nerfed illusion heroes too much.

I dunno though, I don't mind the games too much, but there definitely have been better patches.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 14 2016 10:23 GMT
#4505
On May 14 2016 19:19 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:17 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:08 Shaella wrote:
I honestly feel like that series was on PPD

100%

those drafts...


Yeah, ppd didn't adjust to this tournament well. (Granted, against TL, I thought they had the better drafts both games, until the AA hard-countered them.) I only caught the last half of Game 2, but the tournament has gone for this early-moving, tanky & sustain approach (because of Newbee). ppd just doesn't really want to draft that way. Though maybe he's running into a comfortable hero pool issue with Aui at the moment and his options will improve over time.

Though, honestly, I was expecting a lot of wonky drafts from both teams, since I'm sure they scrim against each other occasionally. Inter-team Metas do develop, which probably explains the Dark Seer ban.
Thought you were on about how PPD outdrafted OG, and EG looked stronger coming into the semis of this. Perhaps people will realize that PPD isn't a draft god, which has been apparently for I don't know how long, but gets all his ideas from others.


No, I said until Fly could show he could out-draft ppd, I favored EG 55/45 at the time. But they never ended up playing each other.
Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
May 14 2016 10:23 GMT
#4506
On May 14 2016 19:21 Danzo wrote:
This patch sucks. Beastmaster once again just farms the jungle like a madman, Armlet str.carries are back in full force with heavy push strats. It's like TI4 but with longer games.

For once we may be on the same page. But lets see if the big names can adjust, That is trly a mark of skill and greatness imo.
"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
May 14 2016 10:23 GMT
#4507
On May 14 2016 19:22 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:21 Danzo wrote:
This patch sucks. Beastmaster once again just farms the jungle like a madman, Armlet str.carries are back in full force with heavy push strats. It's like TI4 but with longer games.


They nerfed illusion heroes too much.

I dunno though, I don't mind the games too much, but there definitely have been better patches.


If Icefrog wants push strats to make a come back, then buff Storm back to his broken form.
Getting too old for this..
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
May 14 2016 10:23 GMT
#4508
On May 14 2016 19:18 Dysisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:06 Birdie wrote:
http://oddshot.tv/shot/epicenter-en1-2016051410549632 how about that passion though

What a fucking champ, so glad to see someone with some fucking heart in this game.

Yea, NA + emotions is not a thing you see every day in Dota, thanks to EG mostly.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 10:28:07
May 14 2016 10:26 GMT
#4509
On May 14 2016 19:22 Danzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:19 Dracolich70 wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:17 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:08 Shaella wrote:
I honestly feel like that series was on PPD

100%

those drafts...


Yeah, ppd didn't adjust to this tournament well. (Granted, against TL, I thought they had the better drafts both games, until the AA hard-countered them.) I only caught the last half of Game 2, but the tournament has gone for this early-moving, tanky & sustain approach (because of Newbee). ppd just doesn't really want to draft that way. Though maybe he's running into a comfortable hero pool issue with Aui at the moment and his options will improve over time.

Though, honestly, I was expecting a lot of wonky drafts from both teams, since I'm sure they scrim against each other occasionally. Inter-team Metas do develop, which probably explains the Dark Seer ban.
Thought you were on about how PPD outdrafted OG, and EG looked stronger coming into the semis of this. Perhaps people will realize that PPD isn't a draft god, which has been apparently for I don't know how long, but gets all his ideas from others.


Let's not get carried away based off one tournament. PPD coming into EG has made them one of the most consistent top 3 teams in Dota 2.
The resiliance of former EG made them go through 2-1s to end at top 3-4. Very good results by any standards, but they struggled through every tournament, and did so due to PPDs adaptive strength and the teams resiliance, which was unquestionable. Few are surprised by these results in this one, and why would you think.
LiangHao
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
May 14 2016 10:27 GMT
#4510
On May 14 2016 19:21 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:13 Danzo wrote:
https://twitter.com/SumaaaaiL/status/731426957062225920


Seems like he needs a hand from his pal Icefrog


Icefrog senpai, please buff storm T T hurr durr..
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
May 14 2016 10:28 GMT
#4511
On May 14 2016 19:27 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:21 Racket wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:13 Danzo wrote:
https://twitter.com/SumaaaaiL/status/731426957062225920


Seems like he needs a hand from his pal Icefrog


Icefrog senpai, please buff storm T T hurr durr..

Only after TI6 plz, i play dota before TI.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
May 14 2016 10:28 GMT
#4512
On May 14 2016 19:27 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:21 Racket wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:13 Danzo wrote:
https://twitter.com/SumaaaaiL/status/731426957062225920


Seems like he needs a hand from his pal Icefrog


Icefrog senpai, please buff storm T T hurr durr..


On a scale from no to FUCKING NO

I mean, he may be strong in a few patches I don't know, but we'll see.
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
May 14 2016 10:28 GMT
#4513
On May 14 2016 19:27 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:21 Racket wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:13 Danzo wrote:
https://twitter.com/SumaaaaiL/status/731426957062225920


Seems like he needs a hand from his pal Icefrog


Icefrog senpai, please buff storm T T hurr durr..


And troll. Can you imagine a 6.83 Troll with this kinda meta.
Getting too old for this..
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
May 14 2016 10:28 GMT
#4514
Why is the panel shit again. Only Cap is even remotely a good player. And these people will "analyze" the whole draft. Can't at least one pro come to the panel?
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
May 14 2016 10:29 GMT
#4515
On May 14 2016 19:28 HammerKick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:27 Kamisamanachi wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:21 Racket wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:13 Danzo wrote:
https://twitter.com/SumaaaaiL/status/731426957062225920


Seems like he needs a hand from his pal Icefrog


Icefrog senpai, please buff storm T T hurr durr..


On a scale from no to FUCKING NO

I mean, he may be strong in a few patches I don't know, but we'll see.


I always thought Storm was in an ok spot even when he was supposedly broken. But now he's just garbage when so many indirect nerfs to him.
Getting too old for this..
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
May 14 2016 10:29 GMT
#4516
On May 14 2016 19:28 Danzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:27 Kamisamanachi wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:21 Racket wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:13 Danzo wrote:
https://twitter.com/SumaaaaiL/status/731426957062225920


Seems like he needs a hand from his pal Icefrog


Icefrog senpai, please buff storm T T hurr durr..


And troll. Can you imagine a 6.83 Troll with this kinda meta.

I should try dominator armlet troll tbh, looks like perfect combo.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
May 14 2016 10:30 GMT
#4517
On May 14 2016 19:23 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 19:18 Dysisa wrote:
On May 14 2016 19:06 Birdie wrote:
http://oddshot.tv/shot/epicenter-en1-2016051410549632 how about that passion though

What a fucking champ, so glad to see someone with some fucking heart in this game.

Yea, NA + emotions is not a thing you see every day in Dota, thanks to EG mostly.

There's Bulba too I guess, never forget TI3 after the match against LGD. But now he's on EG so he'll lose all his passion and personality rip
fuck dota 2 | "i don't like ppd, and i really look forward to one day beating that motherfucker" -Swindlemelonzz, my personal hero
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
May 14 2016 10:33 GMT
#4518
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fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
May 14 2016 10:33 GMT
#4519
storm was definitely overpowered, but then icefrog did his usual stuff nerfing a hero massively then try to bring it back again little by little after some time passes

I'm sure after a little bit more buff storm would come back to being picked every fucking game
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 10:35:53
May 14 2016 10:35 GMT
#4520
On May 14 2016 19:21 Danzo wrote:
This patch sucks. Beastmaster once again just farms the jungle like a madman, Armlet str.carries are back in full force with heavy push strats. It's like TI4 but with longer games.

That salt. This patch is better than the previous one which was better than all other patches since comeback gold. Before that, we had some tinker/void patches and no offlane at all. I'm not sayin it's the best patch ever but it's certainly an improvement over the previous one (yo invoker od). And TI4 was good outside of VG games, the patch jsut came too late for a TI and it showed great improvement after the post TI4 reshuffle as many new strats began to appear.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
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