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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 11 2016 18:58 GMT
#3941
On May 12 2016 03:56 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 03:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
we could still see eg pull a switcheroo and put bulba on abbadon offlane

i don't think abaddon is a bulba hero.

?
excuse u
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 11 2016 18:58 GMT
#3942
Should VP pick a good carry, or just deny-pick something from Aui?
kiss kiss fall in love
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3943
#BleedBlueDraft
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3944
CM vs this lineup is way better than when PPD picked it vs Newbee
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 19:01:06
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3945
On May 12 2016 03:52 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:46 Danzo wrote:
I like when Sumail completely owns in a game and all the Sumail haters are quiet .

He is a player that loves to be aggressive. He loves to fight and sometimes he dies. People fault him for it, but players want the ball.

I'm sure it's his personality that makes people dislike him but I really like Sumail's playstyle and would like to see more of it. He has the type of mindset in game where he wants to prove he's the better player by playing matchups where he's at a disadvantage or just going for these crazy kills as opposed to your conservative pro mid laners. I do think his best heroes has been nerfed and people like to point out his hero pool

From my perspective, I think TI5 EG also just supported Sumail the best. If Sumail fed in lane and was setback, EG made it a priority to stack as much jungle camps and make as much space to ensure he had a way back in. I never really saw that when RTZ was in the roster.
That was because they had more players that depend on swallowing gold, which is one of the reasons why without faulting anyone that RTZ didn't synergize all that well in relation to TI5 EG. Fear is a much more flexible carry/person. EG had to sit between several stools trying to make it work, and played to greed and their uncanny resiliance fighting against the wall.
LiangHao
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3946
On May 12 2016 03:56 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 03:55 babysimba wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:47 babysimba wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:45 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:45 babysimba wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:41 Shergal wrote:
I feel like people tunnel-vision a lot when talking about how impossible high-ground is. Focus too much on the big name matches that often feature the same teams (EG has had limitations at high-ground since 2014 now, it's a team thing not a patch thing), forget about the thousands of matches that end without as much as a bump.

If EG is bad at going high ground, no western team is good at it lol.

The true way to balance comeback gold is to give every hero different comeback gold multiplier (aka spectre)

It's already present for all assist gold.

I'm not talking about the amount that based on 1 to 5 farm

Then what you are talking about?

Because there are 2 multipliers, 1 based on victim's farm and another on killer's farm.

And no, assigning a per hero name multiplier is simply stupid considering patchy nature of the game.

How is it stupid when the comeback gold mechanics already destroy years of hero balance where they originally take into account each different hero has differing amount of effectiveness with gold

Because hero changes will happen anyways and readjustment of comeback multipliers will not follow.

You are basically adding another variable for no reason.

Except you do not need to adjust it for every hero, only for those clear cut ones like alchemist, spectre
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 18:59:59
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3947
Okay, that IS enough damage.
On May 12 2016 03:59 babysimba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 03:56 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:55 babysimba wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:47 babysimba wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:45 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:45 babysimba wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:41 Shergal wrote:
I feel like people tunnel-vision a lot when talking about how impossible high-ground is. Focus too much on the big name matches that often feature the same teams (EG has had limitations at high-ground since 2014 now, it's a team thing not a patch thing), forget about the thousands of matches that end without as much as a bump.

If EG is bad at going high ground, no western team is good at it lol.

The true way to balance comeback gold is to give every hero different comeback gold multiplier (aka spectre)

It's already present for all assist gold.

I'm not talking about the amount that based on 1 to 5 farm

Then what you are talking about?

Because there are 2 multipliers, 1 based on victim's farm and another on killer's farm.

And no, assigning a per hero name multiplier is simply stupid considering patchy nature of the game.

How is it stupid when the comeback gold mechanics already destroy years of hero balance where they originally take into account each different hero has differing amount of effectiveness with gold

Because hero changes will happen anyways and readjustment of comeback multipliers will not follow.

You are basically adding another variable for no reason.

Except you do not need to adjust it for every hero, only for those clear cut ones like alchemist, spectre

You are ignoring inevitable power creep/kneejerk nerfs and those do affect those clear cut heroes.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3948
On May 12 2016 03:58 IntoTheheart wrote:
Should VP pick a good carry, or just deny-pick something from Aui?

I was dreaming of the pos 1 Silencer vp bs.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3949
On May 12 2016 03:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 03:56 Kuroeeah wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
we could still see eg pull a switcheroo and put bulba on abbadon offlane

i don't think abaddon is a bulba hero.

?
excuse u

ehhhhhhh alrighttttt, let's see how bilbo on abba does.
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3950
aui morph, damn thats a throwback
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3951
Isnt there like a rule of thumb that a 5 blue hero lineup almost never wins lol
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3952
VP lost, Aui had that one famously good morphling game with his stack of friends, so it's basically unbeatable
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
May 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#3953
On May 12 2016 03:52 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:46 Danzo wrote:
I like when Sumail completely owns in a game and all the Sumail haters are quiet .

He is a player that loves to be aggressive. He loves to fight and sometimes he dies. People fault him for it, but players want the ball.

I'm sure it's his personality that makes people dislike him but I really like Sumail's playstyle and would like to see more of it. He has the type of mindset in game where he wants to prove he's the better player by playing matchups where he's at a disadvantage or just going for these crazy kills as opposed to your conservative pro mid laners. I do think his best heroes has been nerfed and people like to point out his hero pool

From my perspective, I think TI5 EG also just supported Sumail the best. If Sumail fed in lane and was setback, EG made it a priority to stack as much jungle camps and make as much space to ensure he had a way back in. I never really saw that when RTZ was in the roster.

with RTZ in the game, a lot of the heroes were nerfed, and the jungle was made harder for stacking, which changed the dynamic and went against the regular EG "farm more" playstyle. In addition RTZ also played more farmy than Fear did so it was harder to allow the mid to be greedy if both the safelane and offlane also usually play greedy.
The Bomber boy
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 11 2016 19:00 GMT
#3954
wtf how does this panel think vp will win lmao DURKA DOTA ladies and gents
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
May 11 2016 19:00 GMT
#3955
On May 12 2016 03:59 StarVe wrote:
VP lost, Aui had that one famously good morphling game with his stack of friends, so it's basically unbeatable

Aui broke Navi's 25 win streak on his morphling.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 11 2016 19:01 GMT
#3956
On May 12 2016 03:59 StarVe wrote:
VP lost, Aui had that one famously good morphling game with his stack of friends, so it's basically unbeatable

shoutout to me the support
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
May 11 2016 19:01 GMT
#3957
On May 12 2016 04:00 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 03:59 StarVe wrote:
VP lost, Aui had that one famously good morphling game with his stack of friends, so it's basically unbeatable

Aui broke Navi's 25 win streak on his morphling.


I mean is morph the same 3 years ago?
Getting too old for this..
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 11 2016 19:01 GMT
#3958
Does Aui maybe have a new Morphling build?
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
May 11 2016 19:01 GMT
#3959
WATER RISING

comeh is hype
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
May 11 2016 19:01 GMT
#3960
On May 12 2016 04:01 Danzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 04:00 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 12 2016 03:59 StarVe wrote:
VP lost, Aui had that one famously good morphling game with his stack of friends, so it's basically unbeatable

Aui broke Navi's 25 win streak on his morphling.


I mean is morph the same 3 years ago?

Morph 3 years ago was in same place Storm is right now.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
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