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On April 29 2016 04:30 Azarkon wrote:
The problem with the last PPD team was that they'd get to the final, and then lose it bad. This tells me that there are problems with their strategy when teams prepare against them.
This team, I don't know whether they can get to the final as it is, but I'm sure they're still just trying to understand each other.
Realistically, EG gets to the finals because they're the most solid team. Then they meet up against the team on a Hot Streak and lose. They really need to think about a dedicated coach for LANs. But Bulba might be more valuable during the longer LANs than other players.
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On April 29 2016 04:32 Sn0_Man wrote:
What happened in the draft was that after Vega picked Lich, EG decided that Engima was the best counter both because it closes the XP gap that lich opens and also because lich is very weak at punishing a jungle. The two common heroes that seriously interfere with enigma jungle are bounty and doom, so with bounty banned EG simply picked Doom + Enigma.
Unfortunately this not only forced doom into an offlane role (much weaker than as a disruptive 4) but also was very vulnerable to the riki pick that I don't think PPD considered. The draft was pretty much lost from there IMO.
This is the reasonable post game run down I am looking for. I felt that thing was lost once they picked Engima so early. I think most teams have figured out a way around that with their players.
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On April 29 2016 04:32 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 04:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 29 2016 04:25 Danzo wrote:
I feel kinda sad now. This was EG's first real test on a decent team and they got completely man handled. To be fair, EG probably didn't believe the Riki pick would have that much synergy with the rest of Vega's lineup. It merely seemed like a poor man's BH to deal with the Enigma. Ya but shutting up the Enigma in jungle or in this case severely delaying him is huge, means u can do alot. Scaling late game is the issue, but he was so far ahead it didn't matter. But that wasn't reason EG lost for me, if they had a fighting carry from earlier they would have had a better time, but Aui couldn't do much  Oh well, onto the next one!
They lost the lanes , what can a Tiny dual can do vs a seering arrow clinkz ? you gonna get your consumables gone in 3 min and you rely on Clinkz making mistakes in lane in order to kill him , panel said Vega were greedy and i told you guys NO they had lane dominators once the laning phase was over Vega were up 5k or something with main cores 2-3k over their EG counterparts.
Enigma is way more greedy then anything Vega picked but whatever , panel be panel.
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On April 29 2016 04:34 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 04:32 Taf the Ghost wrote:On April 29 2016 04:29 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:27 Faruko wrote:On April 29 2016 04:26 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:25 Danzo wrote:
I feel kinda sad now. This was EG's first real test on a decent team and they got completely man handled. manhandled in a complete outdraft, I can't feel bad about it pretty sure thats worse tbh why is that worse? you can't show play when you can't get levels and farm every PPD team has lost to hard outdrafts every now and then and they were still a top team ppd normally hard outdrafts someone at least once per Bo3. It can go back against them, as well, and tends to early in a patch. The Riki synergy was extremely thought out. Lich helped keep Midlane going Puck's way, but Riki really botched up EG's plan for the game. It probably means drafting Enigma first-phase will require very different bans. It is a new hero in Captain's Mode and good on Vega for getting the "first actor" advantage. I agree which is why I still question why Vega would reveal Riki as a backup jungle counter in groups instead of playoffs. They will definitely change how they think of junglers after that game.
ppd saves drafts. Aside from a few other captains, most don't. And it's not to their benefit to do it, either. For teams that aren't getting Invites, every win counts.
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On April 29 2016 04:36 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 04:34 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:32 Taf the Ghost wrote:On April 29 2016 04:29 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:27 Faruko wrote:On April 29 2016 04:26 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:25 Danzo wrote:
I feel kinda sad now. This was EG's first real test on a decent team and they got completely man handled. manhandled in a complete outdraft, I can't feel bad about it pretty sure thats worse tbh why is that worse? you can't show play when you can't get levels and farm every PPD team has lost to hard outdrafts every now and then and they were still a top team ppd normally hard outdrafts someone at least once per Bo3. It can go back against them, as well, and tends to early in a patch. The Riki synergy was extremely thought out. Lich helped keep Midlane going Puck's way, but Riki really botched up EG's plan for the game. It probably means drafting Enigma first-phase will require very different bans. It is a new hero in Captain's Mode and good on Vega for getting the "first actor" advantage. I agree which is why I still question why Vega would reveal Riki as a backup jungle counter in groups instead of playoffs. They will definitely change how they think of junglers after that game. ppd saves drafts. Aside from a few other captains, most don't. And it's not to their benefit to do it, either. For teams that aren't getting Invites, every win counts.
Guy, your last two posts are about bulba being more valuable than other players and PPD saving strats day 2 of a new patch. EG lost a game, relax, no need to seek some weird explanations.
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come on where is the first pick venge terrorblade
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On April 29 2016 04:42 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 04:36 Taf the Ghost wrote:On April 29 2016 04:34 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:32 Taf the Ghost wrote:On April 29 2016 04:29 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:27 Faruko wrote:On April 29 2016 04:26 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:25 Danzo wrote:
I feel kinda sad now. This was EG's first real test on a decent team and they got completely man handled. manhandled in a complete outdraft, I can't feel bad about it pretty sure thats worse tbh why is that worse? you can't show play when you can't get levels and farm every PPD team has lost to hard outdrafts every now and then and they were still a top team ppd normally hard outdrafts someone at least once per Bo3. It can go back against them, as well, and tends to early in a patch. The Riki synergy was extremely thought out. Lich helped keep Midlane going Puck's way, but Riki really botched up EG's plan for the game. It probably means drafting Enigma first-phase will require very different bans. It is a new hero in Captain's Mode and good on Vega for getting the "first actor" advantage. I agree which is why I still question why Vega would reveal Riki as a backup jungle counter in groups instead of playoffs. They will definitely change how they think of junglers after that game. ppd saves drafts. Aside from a few other captains, most don't. And it's not to their benefit to do it, either. For teams that aren't getting Invites, every win counts. Guy, your last two posts are about bulba being more valuable than other players and PPD saving strats day 2 of a new patch. EG lost a game, relax, no need to seek some weird explanations.
he wasn't saying EG was saving strats right now, he was talking about the past
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Should've paid attention to low priority.
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On April 29 2016 04:45 CosmicSpiral wrote:Should've paid attention to low priority.
We are in the "Fuck it, lets see if we can make this work against a real team" phase of the patch.
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On April 29 2016 04:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 04:45 CosmicSpiral wrote:Should've paid attention to low priority. We are in the "Fuck it, lets see if we can make this work against a real team" phase of the patch.
So, DIffusal Viper next? 
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there's no need to worry too much for eg. new patch, new team, a slow start shouldn't surprise anyone. the one legitimate concern i'd have is bulba. he hasn't been good in years and universe's shoes are probably too big. everyone else is kind of expected to find their footing eventually but bulba still needs to prove himself.
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On April 29 2016 04:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 04:46 Plansix wrote:On April 29 2016 04:45 CosmicSpiral wrote:Should've paid attention to low priority. We are in the "Fuck it, lets see if we can make this work against a real team" phase of the patch. So, DIffusal Viper next?
Deso viper. The most cancer of cancer.
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On April 29 2016 04:42 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 04:36 Taf the Ghost wrote:On April 29 2016 04:34 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:32 Taf the Ghost wrote:On April 29 2016 04:29 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:27 Faruko wrote:On April 29 2016 04:26 lolnoty wrote:On April 29 2016 04:25 Danzo wrote:
I feel kinda sad now. This was EG's first real test on a decent team and they got completely man handled. manhandled in a complete outdraft, I can't feel bad about it pretty sure thats worse tbh why is that worse? you can't show play when you can't get levels and farm every PPD team has lost to hard outdrafts every now and then and they were still a top team ppd normally hard outdrafts someone at least once per Bo3. It can go back against them, as well, and tends to early in a patch. The Riki synergy was extremely thought out. Lich helped keep Midlane going Puck's way, but Riki really botched up EG's plan for the game. It probably means drafting Enigma first-phase will require very different bans. It is a new hero in Captain's Mode and good on Vega for getting the "first actor" advantage. I agree which is why I still question why Vega would reveal Riki as a backup jungle counter in groups instead of playoffs. They will definitely change how they think of junglers after that game. ppd saves drafts. Aside from a few other captains, most don't. And it's not to their benefit to do it, either. For teams that aren't getting Invites, every win counts. Guy, your last two posts are about bulba being more valuable than other players and PPD saving strats day 2 of a new patch. EG lost a game, relax, no need to seek some weird explanations.
Eh, you really misread what I was saying. ^_^
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If EG's last game is played after midnight, will they have fully transformed into Day 2 EG?
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Even in case they don't, it's too early to call a team bad just because they don't do well in their very first tournament in a new game.
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On April 29 2016 04:31 Papercappu wrote:
i still think support riki is meh
Riki roaming is pretty good. He can't play position 5 support, he is more like spirit breaker in that he does very little without farm. With farm he can do a lot of work but he does need to transition from roaming into a bit of farm to keep having impact. BH gets gold due to his skill set and stays relevant due to that.
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These two teams are playing the game a week before.
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is it me or is the stream lagging?
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EPT
