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![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/e/e0/WePlay_Season_3.png) Thursday, Apr 28 8:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/WePlay_Dota2_League/Season_3 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vursH.png)  WePlay |  BTSCasters, Hosts & Observers: ODPixel | Godz | Draskyl | Ayesee Pajkatt | Ryuuboruz | Sheever | Weppas ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2EGwEAn.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Xo97b.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/ElitWolves.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/navi.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/empire.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/spirit.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Tephus/teamlogos/234x90/Vega_234x90.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/mvpp.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/eg.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/adfinem_alt.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jgmCp.png) + Show Spoiler [Detailed Results] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H5LzV.png) Click Me | ||
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Poll: Top 2 In Group A? Team Empire & Na'Vi (17) Na'Vi & Elite Wolves (12) Na'Vi & Team Spirit (8) Elite Wolves & Team Spirit (2) Team Empire & Elite Wolves (1) Team Empire & Team Spirit (0) 40 total votes Your vote: Top 2 In Group A? (Vote): Na'Vi & Team Spirit Poll: Top 2 In Group B? Evil Geniuses & MVP Phoenix (11) Evil Geniuses & Vega Squadron (11) Vega Squadron & MVP Phoenix (6) Evil Geniuses & Ad Finem (2) Vega Squadron & Ad Finem (1) MVP Phoenix & Ad Finem (1) 32 total votes Your vote: Top 2 In Group B? (Vote): Vega Squadron & MVP Phoenix | ||
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Azarkon
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On the side, QO's MMR went up 500 after he started playing in Europe. He's now the third best MMR in Europe. However, the rest of his team doesn't look to have gone up as much. | ||
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Liquid replaced by Empire | ||
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On April 28 2016 04:14 Azarkon wrote: Isn't one of these teams in the open for Manila? Best hope they get out of the tournament today. only ewolves don't have an invite but half of their players are banned lol | ||
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On April 28 2016 07:43 jmbthirteen wrote: Draskyl and Ayesee casting together again? Oh the D2L memories That's like Ti3 material. What a long ass time ago. What a different game. | ||
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Think the start time is wrong. Stream in OP is wrong also it seems. | ||
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nanaoei
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edit: ohhh okay on BTS | ||
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Pandemona
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Should be fun games i am hoping. | ||
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On April 28 2016 16:49 HammerKick wrote: Each match is only a BO1? Meh... But then its double elimination BO3 , so its not bad , its like giving us some games before the tourney actually starts | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:07 Danzo wrote: Just saw Sumail destroy Badman Spectre with the new Storm vortex aghs lol. Hope to see some Sumail Spirit. Ahhhh don't tease me ahhh xd | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:07 Danzo wrote: Just saw Sumail destroy Badman Spectre with the new Storm vortex aghs lol. Hope to see some Sumail Spirit. I was musing that this might actually be a pretty good buff and my only dota friend bascially said he would abandon if I did it cause it sucks | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:11 sc14s wrote: I was musing that this might actually be a pretty good buff and my only dota friend bascially said he would abandon if I did it cause it sucks your friend is a moron huge aoe disable on a hero who has basically free initiation yes it doesn't go through bkbs but storm can bait bkb and zip back out | ||
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anyone else? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/u1Yj1Ai.jpg) | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:19 Pandemona wrote: I'm getting lag anyone else?I am. | ||
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Ohh come on Kyiv don't let us down. | ||
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Vertical
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Philippines > Ukraine | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:20 Danzo wrote: WTF is that sound? Is the tournament near an air field? LOL I can't tell if it's construction or a vacuum. Maybe I'm completely off tho. | ||
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Refreshing to see how well ESL did in Manila, however this do not mean the Major is going to be the same due to ESL are the best hosts on the tournament scene bar none. But we can hope :D Come on WePlay  | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:22 Pandemona wrote: Oh my elite wolves going full "patch" heroes in terms of what got buffed. Axe, WW and Gyro ! And Na`Vi looks like a standard 6.86 draft. | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:25 TheEmulator wrote: And Na`Vi looks like a standard 6.86 draft. Indeed, without General on his very comfort heroes too hmm | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:22 TheEmulator wrote: I can't tell if it's construction or a vacuum. Maybe I'm completely off tho. On Ru stream they said that there is a construction going on nearly. | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:28 bluzi wrote: Navi with a much better lineup ... EW has such a difficult draft to execute ...... no reliable stuns no burst , they really need to outplay Navi here .... I see Axe call into shackle is pretty reliable if you ask me... | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:29 Vertical wrote: Dendi outplaying mid so hard ? | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:29 Vertical wrote: Dendi outplaying mid so hard ? Dendi got dumpstered and summoned his whole supporting cast | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:33 Pandemona wrote: Stream was doing so well since start of game and now back to lag Ru stream is lagless | ||
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HammerKick
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On April 28 2016 17:33 babysimba wrote: Hope to see balanced deer abusing the new forcestaff item later It's actually harder to use than you think. The range when used on an enemy is 400, which is quite low. And with ench you never want to be that close from your enemies. | ||
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Vertical
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On April 28 2016 17:34 Vertical wrote: legit wolves legit vincere | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:35 HammerKick wrote: Is there sound delay for you guys too? I do also choppy screen and I donno is it bug or not, but the panel screen also seemed like Hexen game | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:36 Vertical wrote: I do also choppy screen and I donno is it bug or not, but the panel screen also seemed like Hexen game The screen freezes a lot which is annoying. | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:35 HammerKick wrote: Is there sound delay for you guys too? Yea there is. | ||
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THIS GRAVE LMFAO | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:45 uriel- wrote: Production team on fire and fired | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:47 Nyan wrote: not sure if minilag is on my end or theirs don't worry production value | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:47 Nyan wrote: not sure if minilag is on my end or theirs I'm fairly sure it's on them. No other streams are lagging for me. I have merlini on right now as well. | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:47 LennX wrote: Russian stream is perfect while english stream is a slideshow and ard 20seconds behind lol thx for the jinx now the casters is speaking to ants | ||
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lolnoty
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On April 28 2016 17:47 LennX wrote: Russian stream is perfect while english stream is a slideshow and ard 20seconds behind lol I switched to russian stream and extreme audio crackle... I guess it's better than ENG cause I can mute it. edit: now russian stream crashing, both suck | ||
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On April 28 2016 17:49 Vertical wrote: thx for the jinx now the casters is speaking to ants rofl | ||
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lolnoty
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edit: the resolution is 720p, but I mean the actual quality of the image is real bad | ||
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Kraznaya
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VOLVO IN FLAMES | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:13 SatsuinoHado wrote: Someone said at the start of the game Wolfs have no CC i think this was like 6-7 sec 3-4 man in CC I said they don't have reliable CC but they are landing them no doubt! | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:12 Pandemona wrote: This is when Ags Gyro is useful imo, later in the game with level 3 ult, big right click damage and 2+ in a calldown it's never usefull. it's an alchemist item. | ||
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this is navis game now how often do you need to throw games by throwing your bodies at megacreeps without buyback before learning not to.. | ||
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NAVI ! Like i said, this lan is all benny hill and anything can happen NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO PLAY THE FKN PATCH | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:24 RubickPicker wrote: And people complain about comeback mechanics, eh? Bro, clearly that game was decided by someone getting an extra 500 gold from a kill after turtling in their base for a day. | ||
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On April 27 2016 08:14 Faruko wrote: I can alredy hear the benny hill music in every match of the tournament, with the new patch being so big games are going to be weird  | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:12 Pandemona wrote: This is when Ags Gyro is useful imo, later in the game with level 3 ult, big right click damage and 2+ in a calldown so on that aghs thing. why would you think that. aghs makes gyro attack ONE random unit in a 600aoe every 1.4s how's that worth getting. it's one of the worst upgrades now. I liked global calldown. I got scepter instead of s&y since it's the same cost and easy buildup. | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:48 Nyan wrote: so on that aghs thing. why would you think that. aghs makes gyro attack ONE random unit in a 600aoe every 1.4s how's that worth getting. it's one of the worst upgrades now. I liked global calldown. I got scepter instead of s&y since it's the same cost and easy buildup. Every 60 seconds you a hitting 2 targets with your calldown and you are aoe'n on top of that with your flak cannon. You are essentially hitting all enemy heroes inside call down so fast. But of course it is not worth it when you are not right clicking hard enough, but there was multiple times just with 3+ people inside a calldown in where you would get extra dps value in it. Well that is my theorycrafting behind it, might not work out that way. | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:48 Nyan wrote: so on that aghs thing. why would you think that. aghs makes gyro attack ONE random unit in a 600aoe every 1.4s how's that worth getting. it's one of the worst upgrades now. I liked global calldown. I got scepter instead of s&y since it's the same cost and easy buildup. Somehow I missed the reworked aghs My bad | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:48 Nyan wrote: so on that aghs thing. why would you think that. aghs makes gyro attack ONE random unit in a 600aoe every 1.4s how's that worth getting. it's one of the worst upgrades now. I liked global calldown. I got scepter instead of s&y since it's the same cost and easy buildup. Because Gyro can clear the waves easily with 6 flak cannon hits. Then it's 1 free hit to enemy hero every 1.4s, sure that's a good upgrade. Previous Gyro Aghs isn't suitable for his carry role, really useless. | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:54 Pandemona wrote: Every 60 seconds you a hitting 2 targets with your calldown and you are aoe'n on top of that with your flak cannon. You are essentially hitting all enemy heroes inside call down so fast. But of course it is not worth it when you are not right clicking hard enough, but there was multiple times just with 3+ people inside a calldown in where you would get extra dps value in it. Well that is my theorycrafting behind it, might not work out that way. It's one attack every 1.4 sec, you better buy a moonshard for the same price. And the addititionnal attacks won't be random at least. | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:56 Gevna wrote: It's one attack every 1.4 sec, you better buy a moonshard for the same price. And the addititionnal attacks won't be random at least. True, makes more sense plus moonshard is cheaper than aghs. | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:56 Gevna wrote: It's one attack every 1.4 sec, you better buy a moonshard for the same price. And the addititionnal attacks won't be random at least. It works while you're disabled, doesn't it? Has mad synergy with satanic, then -- even if you're sitting in disables, still going to heal back some 500 hp or so. Of course if you have a satanic you might have better uses for your slots by that point but still! | ||
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Guess this is why no stream atm | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:56 honeylover wrote: Previous Gyro Aghs isn't suitable for his carry role, really useless. I remember Xboct (still on NaVi, so an older game  ) built it! Was a slugfest in the literal way Anyone also remembers and has a VOD? | ||
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On April 28 2016 18:56 honeylover wrote: Previous Gyro Aghs isn't suitable for his carry role, really useless. That assumed he was played as a carry. There was a period where he was run as a support. Remember a few [A] games where they used him like that. Then they nerfed his magic damage and so on instead of nerfing his carry potential and he ended up as only a carry. | ||
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On April 28 2016 19:35 Taf the Ghost wrote: Since I missed game 1, how did the Hurricane Pike play out on the Enchantress? Anyone get Impetus Murdered with it? Well I didn't see how the spears flew, but NaVi won because of it ... I only watched trackdota: EW got Mega Creeps, then: (From Trackdota) artstyle [enchantress] killed 3 heroes! SMASH has died M-god has died i w o has died After that NaVi went down mid and killed the dire ancient! | ||
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On April 28 2016 19:43 Pandemona wrote: I've been to staples and back and still no game Not even a stream! | ||
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Indeed must be some big issues | ||
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On April 28 2016 19:39 Geisterkarle wrote: Well I didn't see how the spears flew, but NaVi won because of it ... I only watched trackdota: EW got Mega Creeps, then: (From Trackdota) artstyle [enchantress] killed 3 heroes! SMASH has died M-god has died i w o has died After that NaVi went down mid and killed the dire ancient! i ddidn't watch much either but i saw the end where gyrocopter and e.wolves in general diving t4's before the game is over and loses some peeps. navi has 1 set of rax left at top and they take 3 and suicide against the rax, getting them megacreeps. since ewolves no buyback at this point they hae to stall basically 100 seconds, and they get down to 30 seconds before they get throwned from a previous bad base trade that left them without t4's. so a bunch of mistakes costing ewolves the game | ||
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On April 28 2016 19:35 Taf the Ghost wrote: Since I missed game 1, how did the Hurricane Pike play out on the Enchantress? Anyone get Impetus Murdered with it? OP as fuck. NaVi basically won because Artstyle ridiculous damage + Alliance influence to rat t4 towers. | ||
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ArtStyle was 3rd for Hero damage in the game at 17.7k. 1.6k behind Gyro and .7k behind Dendi. Youch. | ||
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On April 28 2016 19:56 Taf the Ghost wrote: Why did they greenscreen the floor? >_< I know right haha :D | ||
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Ok Axe Lifestealer, we have ourselves a CIS pub game  | ||
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On April 28 2016 20:35 eonrulz wrote: Since when did the NASL sound guy switch to Dota? He was at shanghai | ||
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On April 28 2016 20:36 nanaoei wrote: guys can we at least get a picture of the game NO! Have some music instead | ||
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"NOTHING HAPPENED AT ALL!" yah right a hero has aegis | ||
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and once it works better try to fuck up again | ||
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On April 28 2016 20:39 HammerKick wrote: Is it ODPixel fucking up? I hope not :D You mean going the James way? | ||
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On April 28 2016 20:43 eonrulz wrote: Guys I just tuned in and I haven't played much of 6.87 yet - what's the item in Axe's top left inventory slot? Is it infused raindrops with no charges left? blademail with changed icon because of cosmetic | ||
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On April 28 2016 20:43 eonrulz wrote: Guys I just tuned in and I haven't played much of 6.87 yet - what's the item in Axe's top left inventory slot? Is it infused raindrops with no charges left? An infused raindrop that has 0 charges is automatically destroyed. | ||
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eonrulz
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Oh huh weird, never seen that before! Thanks | ||
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On April 28 2016 21:23 wims80 wrote: Mirana carry wtf? Na'Vi has been playing it recently, and quite successful. | ||
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On April 28 2016 21:34 Pandemona wrote: Ok was that the sickest of reaction times ever by Ramzes? Or was the illusion already out? The replicate? It was out already. Fairly certain that it wasn't a misclick by General. He wanted the Enchant kill instead. | ||
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On April 28 2016 21:33 Nyan wrote: I'm going to rage really hard if this is a scepter PotM. Why? I would love to see it. | ||
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On April 28 2016 21:39 StarVe wrote: Artstyle | ||
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Pandemona
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That shackle was dirty as.... omg xd | ||
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On April 28 2016 21:28 DucK- wrote: Dendi goes for max shackle first all the time because realistically you don't get solo kills with WR anymore at competitive level during the laning phase. The build is meant to maximise kill potential when sonneiko/artstyle rotates, which is very often. He doesn't even always build aghs, sometimes and later on. | ||
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On April 28 2016 21:51 Pandemona wrote: Wow Dendi's bounty was 1258! Should have been 1337. | ||
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On April 28 2016 21:48 Racket wrote: He doesn't even always build aghs, sometimes and later on. Yea. I heard his rationale. Early on in fights, you probably use at most 1 FF. The CD improvement from Agha is not that beneficial. Hence he prefers Mael early to maximise early FF damage. | ||
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On April 28 2016 21:52 DucK- wrote: Yea. I heard his rationale. Early on in fights, you probably use at most 1 FF. The CD improvement from Agha is not that beneficial. Hence he prefers Mael early to maximise early FF damage. Yea, I like it, he went for a totally different build path. | ||
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nojok
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On April 28 2016 21:54 Dysisa wrote: If this was a pub game, Bristleback would be looking at 4 reports after the match. I don't get people reporting on people being bad, shit games happen to everyone. The toxic guys though, who wants to report someone because he failed his lane... | ||
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Faruko
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what an awful base race lol | ||
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On April 28 2016 22:00 Faruko wrote: LMAO THAT LOOKS REALLY AWFUL What happened? Trackdota doesn't show it to me! | ||
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On April 28 2016 22:02 Racket wrote: What happened? Trackdota doesn't show it to me! The casters are stuck in a level of Doom | ||
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On April 28 2016 22:02 Racket wrote: What happened? Trackdota doesn't show it to me! Did we just discover the Green Screen? | ||
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On April 28 2016 22:05 Steelavocado wrote: The casters are stuck in a level of Doom I thought so, those flying skulls making tururu tururu tururu are super annoying and make you lose your way. | ||
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Pandemona
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Final group game for Group A should have started 4 minutes ago. | ||
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this green screen is fucking amazing. | ||
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On April 28 2016 22:37 Shaella wrote: i just woke up this green screen is fucking amazing. Oh, trust me, this is just getting started. | ||
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peruvians dont know how to farm honestly | ||
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On April 28 2016 22:58 Faruko wrote: spirit its pretty much the definition of a 1 hit wonder Sounds like every Goblak team ever | ||
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they knew ww was in the trees | ||
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Why spend money on room aesthetics when you can green screen such a magnificent room | ||
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On April 28 2016 23:41 Wineandbread wrote: Future of esports broadcasts boys Why spend money on room aesthetics when you can green screen such a magnificent room Hehe, literally SirActionSlacks is dreaming of what to do with his for the next event xd | ||
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On April 28 2016 23:43 Pandemona wrote: Hehe, literally SirActionSlacks is dreaming of what to do with his for the next event xd There is a LOT of fun to be had with putting funny pictures behind them. | ||
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On April 28 2016 23:55 Taf the Ghost wrote: There is a LOT of fun to be had with putting funny pictures behind them. I'm hoping someday we have commentators commentating through interpretative dance in the middle of the game through the magic of green screen | ||
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that kid might be the future of the CIS scene | ||
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On April 29 2016 00:20 Faruko wrote: this is a pretty awful tinker but it's tinker nonetheless! fuckyeah, 6.87 is the best patch ever. Go wolves go | ||
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intotheheart
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edit: so the camera zoomed out and Sheever was on her phone. Sheever reading TL confirmed. | ||
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On April 29 2016 00:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Is empire going to lose without ramzes dying once? Is that a new award in doto, like the Maelk award except not as cool? | ||
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On April 29 2016 00:48 Thetwinmasters wrote: this tinker is retarded team is retarded | ||
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intotheheart
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On April 29 2016 00:49 Racket wrote: that slark has some networth. i dont think i have ever seen someone that big It's also been a super long game, I think. | ||
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Nyan
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EG vs Empire or will MVP crush EG | ||
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On April 29 2016 00:49 IntoTheheart wrote: It's also been a super long game, I think. He had like 40k+ networth before 1 hour mark, pretty impressive especially for a hero like Slark. | ||
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On April 29 2016 00:49 IntoTheheart wrote: It's also been a super long game, I think. I have already seen many 60mins+ games. | ||
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intotheheart
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I think that's a sustained 650+GPM or something which is pretty impressive, all things considered. | ||
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holy shit dis some fucking Dota 1 style tinker WHERE IS MY DIFFUSAL BLADE. | ||
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lol. | ||
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On April 29 2016 00:51 Nyan wrote: EG vs Empire or will MVP crush EG whoopsy | ||
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On April 29 2016 00:56 Kipsate wrote: is this a Manta style Tinker holy shit dis some fucking Dota 1 style tinker WHERE IS MY DIFFUSAL BLADE. manta no longer needs diffu | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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Eh, lmao. | ||
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On April 29 2016 00:59 IntoTheheart wrote: VIVA LA PERU! 1. El peru :p 2. You dont need to add "gender" (la, el, etc...) because its redundant | ||
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intotheheart
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On April 29 2016 01:01 Faruko wrote: 1. El peru :p 2. You dont need to add "gender" (la, el, etc...) because its redundant I thought that you always needed the la/el/etc stuff when using Spanish nouns. | ||
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On April 29 2016 01:00 blobrus wrote: Getting beat by a matchfixing group of peruvians can't feel good. not if this match is also fixed. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On April 29 2016 01:00 Taf the Ghost wrote: For as much as Slark was pretty out of control, after about the 45 minute mark, that gold stash actually meant that Empire was behind in networth. That's pretty fascinating for a game. It's not often you see the "your 1 got too farmed and you lost because of it" happen, but it's one of those wrinkles in dota. They didn't lose because Slark was too farmed, most of their heroes can't really farm safely because of the quick kill potential from EW's side. It's not like he can just hand over gold to other heroes or something. | ||
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Racket
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On April 29 2016 01:02 IntoTheheart wrote: I thought that you always needed the la/el/etc stuff when using Spanish nouns. Not for personal nouns. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On April 29 2016 01:00 Taf the Ghost wrote: For as much as Slark was pretty out of control, after about the 45 minute mark, that gold stash actually meant that Empire was behind in networth. That's pretty fascinating for a game. It's not often you see the "your 1 got too farmed and you lost because of it" happen, but it's one of those wrinkles in dota. Well it also happens with all heroes based on ennemies' farm like DS and SD. | ||
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intotheheart
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I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! :D | ||
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lolnoty
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On April 29 2016 01:00 IntoTheheart wrote: Do we really count Peru as NA though? According to the internet you're from where you play, and they play in NA tournaments/Quals and scrim with NA teams. | ||
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On April 29 2016 01:06 lolnoty wrote: According to the internet you're from where you play, and they play in NA tournaments/Quals and scrim with NA teams. NA doto best doto then. ;D | ||
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Peru not tier 6, good shit. | ||
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On April 29 2016 01:09 DV G wrote: SO EW won 2 and the one they lost was a weird megas vs Na'Vi. Peru not tier 6, good shit. Smash es mi pastor | ||
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On April 29 2016 01:06 dutchfriese wrote: If they thought this green screen was a good idea, the actual set must be a fucking dump or something. Maybe the actual set is just all green... | ||
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That is the rule, of course there are exceptions like "La Paz" a city in Bolivia. Just keep that in mind too. | ||
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And I'm REALLY curious whether Day 1 EG pops out. With a new roster, maybe that offsets it? | ||
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On April 29 2016 01:30 TanGeng wrote: I want to see EG do well. Considering we're already seeing Tinker and Storm Spirit might be viable. Sumail might be one very happy midlaner. | ||
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wims80
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On April 29 2016 01:09 DucK- wrote: Not sure if dropping abyssal for refresher was the play. I would have dropped butterfly instead. Why even get refresher on Slark? | ||
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DV G
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8th item in stash that you switch. | ||
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Pandemona
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Think im going to buy the in game ticket! | ||
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zolasell
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It seems like after shanghai noone actually cares about stream quality and schedule anymore | ||
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On April 29 2016 01:41 Pandemona wrote: So much lag on twitch stream Think im going to buy the in game ticket! I switched to livestreamer and I'm not getting any lag anymore. It appears that the flash interface of Twitch is for some reason choking on this Weplay stream | ||
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Wineandbread
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dat t3* dive | ||
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Moobutt
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Tankier, more mana, and a 130 damage pure nuke on attack every few seconds. I think Echo Sabre might be the new Spectre fight item. | ||
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DucK-
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Because he gets so easily hexed by Tinker or Roared by Beast. Can't rely on BKB and Dark Pact since fights last so long. He needs 2 x Shadow Dance to have a chance of surviving in fights. | ||
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HammerKick
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On April 29 2016 01:44 TanGeng wrote: not sure if that smoke was worth it He dodge the last 2 tower attacks which saved his life | ||
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intotheheart
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On April 29 2016 01:22 Racket wrote: That is the rule, of course there are exceptions like "La Paz" a city in Bolivia. Just keep that in mind too. But La Paz is the actual full name though, so I guess it gets a pass? | ||
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wims80
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On April 29 2016 01:45 DucK- wrote: Because he gets so easily hexed by Tinker or Roared by Beast. Can't rely on BKB and Dark Pact since fights last so long. He needs 2 x Shadow Dance to have a chance of surviving in fights. He doesn't deal enough damage if one of his slots are wasted by holding on to a refresher tho | ||
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On April 29 2016 01:45 Moobutt wrote: Echo Sabre Spectre... SeemsGood. Tankier, more mana, and a 130 damage pure nuke on attack every few seconds. I think Echo Sabre might be the new Spectre fight item. Yea I saw most PAs in my games get echo too. Any item that increases both survivability and dps are good items in this meta. The 100% slow effect is too op and needs to get nerfed though | ||
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On April 29 2016 01:49 TanGeng wrote: Was there anything that justified drow in this draft. Feels like she was underwhelming and situational even in 6.86 Since DK was last pick, I don't think DK dragon form for tower push w/ drow aura was the plan. | ||
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On April 29 2016 01:48 wims80 wrote: He doesn't deal enough damage if one of his slots are wasted by holding on to a refresher tho You don't deal damage if you die XD I think dropping Abyssal meant he got kited with Ghost etc. I really believe dropping Butterfly would have been the better choice. At least he can lock down a target. | ||
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Racket
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On April 29 2016 01:47 IntoTheheart wrote: But La Paz is the actual full name though, so I guess it gets a pass? Exactly | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 29 2016 01:49 TanGeng wrote: Was there anything that justified drow in this draft. Feels like she was underwhelming and situational even in 6.86 Push strats are normally strong early in a patch, as people figure out how to defend & draft around it. That's about the only thing that comes to mind. | ||
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Let me just sit behind my t2 alone because why not. Let me just haunt in and die because I have to defend! | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:00 DucK- wrote: Echo sabre is a shit item on all heroes. Pretty situational i can see it in a Tiny at some point | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:00 DucK- wrote: Echo sabre is a shit item on all heroes. I thought that double strike + desolate seemed strong. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:01 Faruko wrote: Pretty situational i can see it in a Tiny at some point How about just buying attack speed items instead? | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:03 babysimba wrote: No way an item that cost no recipe and yet gives so much additional benefit is bad. At worse, it is still a situational item. It's bad because 62% of it is in an item that you don't even need. | ||
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Nyan
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On April 29 2016 02:00 DucK- wrote: Echo sabre is a shit item on all heroes. I'm ok with it on Sven and Tiny but that's about it | ||
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On April 29 2016 01:16 TheTenthDoc wrote: Maybe the actual set is just all green... And why is that? I'm guessing because it's a fucking dump. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:04 DucK- wrote: It's bad because 62% of it is in an item that you don't even need. There are always heroes that need a bit of everything. Drums is a pretty good existing example. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:03 Salazarz wrote: I thought if you had Spectre all you need to do is stay in your base and eventually you win because you get 10k gold from killing one hero? League of the ancients what happen If you itemize like shit and don't spend your gold when you have it, you actually get rubberbanded on instead of the other way around. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:03 cecek wrote: Dem Korean overlords, tho. Need to keep up with the SC2 scene. They should know that early rushes are always powerful in the first days of a new patch. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:04 Nyan wrote: I'm ok with it on Sven and Tiny but that's about it I don't know. It's a cheap item that isn't slot efficient on carries. Maybe a support can get it instead. Some kind of melee hero that needs attacks to proc stuns or modifiers. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:11 TanGeng wrote: I don't know. It's a cheap item that isn't slot efficient on carries. Maybe a support can get it instead. Some kind of melee hero that needs attacks to proc stuns or modifiers. It's good when you steal a Rapier as a support in the late-game. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:11 TanGeng wrote: I don't know. It's a cheap item that isn't slot efficient on carries. Maybe a support can get it instead. Some kind of melee hero that needs attacks to proc stuns or modifiers. Yeah I forgot about Space Cow. It's very okish on him | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:13 Kamisamanachi wrote: EG hypee... Oh wait , ad finem , nvm carry on Wouldn't be the first time they lost to this team before. | ||
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Korea (South)2591 Posts
On April 29 2016 02:16 Nyan wrote: Yeah I forgot about Space Cow. It's very okish on him It's hilarious on Barathrum yeah, actually helps you get that little bit more farm as well since you can clear jungle / waves so much easier with it whenever there's a bit of a break. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On April 29 2016 02:18 Kuroeeah wrote: Wouldn't be the first time they lost to this team before. When? | ||
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lolnoty
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edit: I guess not playing forever and a new roster should get thrown in there | ||
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bluzi
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, hope they just come out firing out of the gate no funny bussiness | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
On April 29 2016 02:14 IntoTheheart wrote: Ad Finem needs to slam-pick a PL for maximum triggering. That was like the best game ever to watch. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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when they were london conspiracy a long while ago during the mlg lan. this is still almost the same lineup | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:27 CosmicSpiral wrote: Awww, Lich got banned. No one talks about lich but the hero is broken. | ||
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bluzi
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On April 29 2016 02:28 Kuroeeah wrote: No one talks about lich but the hero is broken. No need to say anything , you just wait for your ban turn and click the hero , no question asked. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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On April 29 2016 02:29 Pandemona wrote: Lets go EG!!! Aui pottm maybe? sumail but ad finem don't know | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:29 Pandemona wrote: Lets go EG!!! Aui pottm maybe? Probably , Fear on Bounty and i dont see PPD on Mirana for some reason..... | ||
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Pandemona
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Wow, that would be nice to see! | ||
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Attacks per second = (100 + IAS) × 0.01 / BAT Level 11 Spec with Phase Urn Wand PMS = +51 Agility = +51IAS Spec BAT = 1.7 Therefore attacks per second = 151 × 0.01 / 1.7 = ~0.89 Echo sabre adds 1 attack every 5 seconds, or 0.2 attacks every second. 0.89 + 0.2 = (100 + IAS) × 0.01 / 1.7 IAS = 85 Which means echo sabre is essentially a +34 attack speed item. Drums active give you +31 attack speed, and cost 1k cheaper. [Edit] Ok forgot to add the +10 AS it provides. So ~+44 attack speed then? | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:31 DucK- wrote: I dislike Echo Sabre because intuitively it's such a bad item. Correct my calculations if I am wrong. Attacks per second = (100 + IAS) × 0.01 / BAT Level 11 Spec with Phase Urn Wand PMS = +51 Agility = +51IAS Spec BAT = 1.7 Therefore attacks per second = 151 × 0.01 / 1.7 = ~0.89 Echo sabre adds 1 attack every 5 seconds, or 0.2 attacks every second. 0.89 + 0.2 = (100 + IAS) × 0.01 / 1.7 IAS = 85 Which means echo sabre is essentially a +34 attack speed item. Drums active give you +31 attack speed, and cost 1k cheaper. [Edit] Ok forgot to add the +10 AS it provides. So ~+44 attack speed then? It's still much better in stats than Drums for melee cores. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:34 Danzo wrote: Sven as always. This is why Arteezy left aui loves sven On April 29 2016 02:34 CosmicSpiral wrote: Duck, watch Sven go Echo Sabre just to piss you off. its actually the build | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:35 Achaian wrote: What the hell, peter? Were the sprouteezy memes not enough? Let's see if Aui is smarter | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:33 Danzo wrote: It's still much better in stats than Drums for melee cores. It cost 1k more. Add an Ogre Club with Drums if you want. MS/AS for team, with similar stats. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:35 Sn0_Man wrote: its actually the build So I've heard. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:36 babysimba wrote: Fear or Aui carry? Aui carry, unless something was changed recently | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:57 Azarkon wrote: I wonder about the Mirana pick. What does PPD see in the hero? aghs potm | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:59 stuchiu wrote: I turned on the stream, EG getting rocked? eg r nicely ahead actually | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:00 wims80 wrote: EG is down 9-1, but still leading or at least on par when it comes to farm, so it's all gucchi Ahead in gold, xp and only down 1 tower. | ||
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On April 29 2016 02:59 Kamisamanachi wrote: The real question is how the hell is bulba diret poor in networth without getting touched in the game? Like seriously lmao Either he is bad or he has no place to farm with his #1 and #2 taking farm and not creating space for him, unlike how Alliance plays it. | ||
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oh there's the networth. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:02 Azarkon wrote: I see, PPD is just showing us the way to play the game. Get behind on kills, then get that nice money from shut down. This was what I thought Spirit was doing earlier. | ||
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they dont know how to play dota | ||
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I wonder about the Koreans, though. They need to do well in this tournament to show that they're not a one tournament show. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:03 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean, grats to AF on picking gyro the most senselessly nerfed hero ever that hero wasn't even good before the nerf I wouldn't mind seeing Gyro become the new Techies. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:05 Faruko wrote: pretty sure af its the worst team this tournament. they dont know how to play dota isnt this the LC squad that took games off of tons of top teams including Navi? | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:07 lolnoty wrote: isnt this the LC squad that took games off of tons of top teams including Navi? "top teams" "navi" ayyyyy | ||
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I only mentioned them because of his flair :D | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:02 Azarkon wrote: I see, PPD is just showing us the way to play the game. Get behind on kills, then get that nice money from shut down. It's nothing about kills. It's more of AF moving around as a group, while EG happily farms safely on 3 cores with Fear scouting. At most they lose 1 core now and then, but they are still farming. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:07 lolnoty wrote: isnt this the LC squad that took games off of tons of top teams including Navi? Only madara and skylark, and that was such a long time ago so no, they are not. | ||
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But EG was going to drag this late. And the gold-return for kills vs farm is something EG specializes in, and this isn't the most behind in Kill Count we've seen before. It's all about hitting your timings. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:05 Faruko wrote: pretty sure af its the worst team this tournament. they dont know how to play dota it was really hard to play their pick off 1 pos gyro draft vs what eg have to begin with. they needed like 20 kills to begin with, not 9. i mean they were already the heavy underdogs, going for a gank lineup that can't take objectives vs afk farmers when ur already the worse team isn't very smart. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:11 blobrus wrote: I'd be pretty triggered if I saw this mirana mid in my pubs. well ur gonna see it now for sure | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:09 GumBa wrote: Bulba>Universe Aui>rtz T2 American players best players if PPD leads them. Puppey is also doing better when he has docile pawns instead of inflated egos. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:10 Papercappu wrote: if bulba had more farm that would have been rax. what a burden You don't create non-existing resources out of nowhere. The game plan is pretty much let whoever that has a good start to continue have that farm priority to push out lanes and drag the game. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:10 Papercappu wrote: if bulba had more farm that would have been rax. what a burden He was about 3-4 minutes behind on Radiance, but he's been getting 3 position farm, so that's okay. EG is playing Sumail on a hard-farmer, which they really didn't in 6.86. Also, a bit of stacking for the Sven in the offlane. I don't think we're seeing 6.84 stacking, but that's an interesting wrinkle. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:13 Dysisa wrote: Greek team losing because they did an awful job generating money, it's like fucking clockwork Oh God, that was savage. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:16 Grettin wrote: Damn i hope Mirana gets shit ton of playtime in the future. I'm pretty sure she will. You can even start her in the offlane and just go around the map arrowing NC for xp | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:18 Achaian wrote: Beat a tier three team in one game time to bring out the TI memes xactly :> | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:18 DucK- wrote: So all Mirana did this game was Starfall this game and Moonlight? Agree on Fear MVP. BH presence slowed AF so much, and made them scared of farming deep. It seem like his only job was to depush the Nature Prophet lol. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:18 Achaian wrote: Beat a tier three team in one game time to bring out the TI memes One never misses an excuse to drop some TI memes. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:18 DucK- wrote: So all Mirana did this game was Starfall this game and Moonlight? Agree on Fear MVP. BH presence slowed AF so much, and made them scared of farming deep. they also spent approximately 5 million money on dust not exactly an inspired win by eg though. it's annoying how mediocre all the teams have been looking since shanghai. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:19 Danzo wrote: It seem like his only job was to depush the Nature Prophet lol. This is a good point that I think some of us missed. I certainly didn't get it at first. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:21 Danzo wrote: BTW I don't like to brag, but before EG played I told you guys be ready for Sumail midas/aghs Mirana. thats someone that likes to brag would say tbh | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:21 Orome wrote: they also spent approximately 5 million money on dust not exactly an inspired win by eg though. it's annoying how mediocre all the teams have been looking since shanghai. MVP and wings looked bright during their respective wins. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:21 Orome wrote: they also spent approximately 5 million money on dust not exactly an inspired win by eg though. it's annoying how mediocre all the teams have been looking since shanghai. it was pretty much the same after frankfurt tbh. teams seems to play better at majors | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:21 Orome wrote: they also spent approximately 5 million money on dust not exactly an inspired win by eg though. it's annoying how mediocre all the teams have been looking since shanghai. True this. Mediocrity like this EG win needs to be punished hard. Any Tier 2 team in that scenario would have got huge objective advantages rather than just racking up a kills lead. This isnt CS:GO boys,,, This is DOTA! | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:28 bluzi wrote: I can see Loda rubbing his hands , one of this most beloved heroes is mirana.... Navi runs it as a #1 and it looked great so i guess this Potm is going to be a hot potato in the upcoming weeks. So now we can have Lodarrows in addition to Lodaspheres? | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:25 Grettin wrote: So Sumail broke the GPM record for Mirana. I guess that was expected. All time record? | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:29 Achaian wrote: So now we can have Lodarrows in addition to Lodaspheres? Indeed we will and it will be glourious !!! | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:31 Faruko wrote: i mean after that first arrow, pretty sure sumarrows are a thing he uses them for scouting so he can farm safely | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:32 bluzi wrote: he uses them for scouting so he can farm safely not that one, the one against the NP | ||
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According to EG Twitter, yeah. This was apparently the record before. http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=2091791379 | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:32 bluzi wrote: he uses them for scouting so he can farm safely With that build he has so much mana regen, I doubt he could ever run out. | ||
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All it does is win. | ||
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I was trying to be sarcastic sorry for not making it clear , but typing kappa is not allowed here ... | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:35 Danzo wrote: So...whos' Sven is better Aui or RTZ? lol I saw Aui use quelling to get out of sprout, so I think the answer is pretty clear. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:27 Nedereden wrote: True this. Mediocrity like this EG win needs to be punished hard. Any Tier 2 team in that scenario would have got huge objective advantages rather than just racking up a kills lead. This isnt CS:GO boys,,, This is DOTA! That's completely untrue. EG giving away support kills while farming the entire map is something they have done a number of times, including against tier 1 teams (Newbee at DAC for exemple). It's no coincidence that they always focus on vision heroes and slippery ones. They were a little sloppy at the beginning but afterwards they took control of the game easily. | ||
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if the tables had turn and EG was in AF position (and heroes) they would have build on that lead and win even faster by doing th same thing | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:37 Diavlo wrote: That's completely untrue. EG giving away support kills while farming the entire map is something they have done a number of times, including against tier 1 teams (Newbee at DAC for exemple). It's no coincidence that they always focus on vision heroes and slippery ones. They were a little sloppy at the beginning but afterwards they took control of the game easily. Biased much - Relevant flair. No point carrying this discussion forward I see... Sigh... Must we be blind fanboys... If you are going to tell thats how a Tier 1 team looks against a frkin pubstack, I rest my case. Try and be objective in your assesments. Im not even an EG hater. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:34 Grettin wrote: According to EG Twitter, yeah. This was apparently the record before. http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=2091791379 https://twitter.com/EvilGeniuses/status/725752426888830976 Thanks, damn, that's a really low GPM for a record. Anyway, I like this Mirana play-style, should be fun if we see it more. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:43 blobrus wrote: GG lich given away, EG lost. Just go full greed. Lich just slows down the game. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:46 Nedereden wrote: Biased much - Relevant flair. No point carrying this discussion forward I see... Sigh... Must we be blind fanboys... If you are going to tell thats how a Tier 1 team looks against a frkin pubstack, I rest my case. Try and be objective in your assesments. Im not even an EG hater. Biased much? Assumes someone can't make a fair argument because of their flair. No point carrying this discussion forward I see, sigh... must we make blind assumptions? If you're going to tell me that's how to engage an argument, I rest my case. Try and give an argument it's fair due. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:46 Nedereden wrote: Biased much - Relevant flair. No point carrying this discussion forward I see... Sigh... Must we be blind fanboys... If you are going to tell thats how a Tier 1 team looks against a frkin pubstack, I rest my case. Try and be objective in your assesments. Im not even an EG hater. EG were a little sloppy (missed arrow on NP; the 3-man kill in mid) in the early game, but this is a strategy EG uses a good bit. They have a very strong timing they want to hit, and they did. Kill count doesn't matter much when you're losing a 150 gold Bounty Hunter. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:48 Achaian wrote: Biased much? Assumes someone can't make a fair argument because of their flair. No point carrying this discussion forward I see, sigh... must we make blind assumptions? If you're going to tell me that's how to engage an argument, I rest my case. Try and give an argument it's fair due. Now comes the truest internet debate: Who is the most biased and least objective? Who is the true Rational Thinker? Now the game: Wind ranger vs lich is so sad for lich after the laning phase and she has a blink. So scary. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:51 bluzi wrote: Why do they call Clinkz/LD greed? both are lane dominators from the highest order .... weird. They have no ability to push back lanes without standing in them. They can't just nuke down a lane and move on, they need to stand there and click shit. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:52 Plansix wrote: They have no ability to push back lanes without standing in them. They can't just nuke down a lane and move on, they need to stand there and click shit. They are going to split push like crazy no ? clinkz and LD are crazy good at hitting towers.... and they going to have great lanes as well.... but i guess you are right in the sense they cant depush , but its FAR from greedy | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:54 bluzi wrote: They are going to split push like crazy no ? clinkz and LD are crazy good at hitting towers.... and they going to have great lanes as well.... but i guess you are right in the sense they cant depush , but its FAR from greedy I believe greedy means both at the same time in this particular case. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:55 wims80 wrote: Two invis heroes on the same team, isn't that kind of bad strategically? invisibility = invulnerability | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:55 wims80 wrote: Two invis heroes on the same team, isn't that kind of bad strategically? Eh, they both do different things and you can't rely on one dust carrier. It will cost the enemy team more gold in detection. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:46 Nedereden wrote: Biased much - Relevant flair. No point carrying this discussion forward I see... Sigh... Must we be blind fanboys... If you are going to tell thats how a Tier 1 team looks against a frkin pubstack, I rest my case. Try and be objective in your assesments. Im not even an EG hater. So your argument is that they didn't win hard enough? Have you actually watched EG games before? They've always been like this, how many tournaments did they supposedly looked shaky before getting to the finals? It's just the way they play the game, they hardly ever build big kill lead or snowball out of the lanes (and when they do they actually lose more often than comparable teams) but they farm well and take decisive fights. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:57 Achaian wrote: DOES THE PHRASE "THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY TWO AMERICAN DOLLARS" SOUND FAMILIAR TO ANYONE RIGHT ABOUT NOW I can't read your caps. Come on dude. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:58 Tanzklaue wrote: how does the doom get the frost armor on himself? can he steal spells or what? Ogre magi creep | ||
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On April 29 2016 04:01 bluzi wrote: I can safely say that if Vega would went for a normal support , this laning stage wouldve been a disasster to EG , like an Ench Lich was let through because they banned Enchantress. | ||
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On April 29 2016 04:03 Taf the Ghost wrote: In other news, EG ran Bulba as a safelane Doom. Role switching Bulba & Aui going to be a thing for EG? Safelane is not a role. | ||
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On April 29 2016 03:58 Diavlo wrote: So your argument is that they didn't win hard enough? Have you actually watched EG games before? They've always been like this, how many tournaments did they supposedly looked shaky before getting to the finals? It's just the way they play the game, they hardly ever build big kill lead or snowball out of the lanes (and when they do they actually lose more often than comparable teams) but they farm well and take decisive fights. Im waiting for how youre gonna justify this one. Just accept that their early game has gone to shite! Its crazy if you wanna stick your head in the sand so much. | ||
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On April 29 2016 04:12 Taf the Ghost wrote: I think hard jungling is going to be out with two heroes you can run 4 position to disrupt it. Riki is shit without farm though. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:13 lolnoty wrote: does ayesee just not watch fights? Came to liquiddota just to complain about this. Ayesee's teamfight commentating is just terrible. He just calmly talks about the black hole stuff and Vega feeling tanky blabla and completely ignores that Clinkz died? | ||
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lolnoty
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CosmicSpiral
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Support Smokescreen yo. | ||
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On April 29 2016 04:14 Ragoo wrote: Came to liquiddota just to complain about this. Ayesee's teamfight commentating is just terrible. He just calmly talks about the black hole stuff and Vega feeling tanky blabla and completely ignores that Clinkz died? I wanted to like Ayesee, but he's so bad, he's really hard to like (as a caster, I dont know anything about his personality) | ||
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On April 29 2016 04:14 Ragoo wrote: Came to liquiddota just to complain about this. Ayesee's teamfight commentating is just terrible. He just calmly talks about the black hole stuff and Vega feeling tanky blabla and completely ignores that Clinkz died? he's always done that, his awareness is pretty crap. but at least since his comeback he doesn't try to act smart and go full nahaz anymore, asks his co caster for analysis and such. i can live with that. | ||
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bluzi
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On April 29 2016 04:17 lolnoty wrote: I almost question Vega breaking out riki in group stages. Why not wait until playoffs to do this to EG in case they pick jungle there? They rather pick Bounty or Ench | ||
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Danzo
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On April 29 2016 04:18 Dysisa wrote: Seeing EG get dismantled by fucking support Riki just made my day. Congrats EG you're now on the same level as my team in pubs. Why is support riki a bad thing? Fear ran during Captain Draft tournament and destroyed with it. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:18 Nedereden wrote: Yeah this is how a tier 2+ team doesnt jus muck around after getting kill advantages. They go for objectives. AF headless chicken dota is what saved EG last game. You are fanboy level blind if you cant see how bad their early game has become. I'll just say it now: you're a pathetic troll. User was warned for this post | ||
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Nedereden
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On April 29 2016 04:19 Danzo wrote: Why is support riki a bad thing? Fear ran during Captain Draft tournament and destroyed with it. The epitome of things to reference from ofc.. sigh... | ||
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Danzo
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On April 29 2016 04:20 Nedereden wrote: The epitome of things to reference from ofc.. sigh... What? Also, the riki wasn't even the reason they won. IT was mostly terrible laning phases with tiny not getting any farm. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:20 Nedereden wrote: The epitome of things to reference from ofc.. sigh... is this even a complete thought? | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:19 Danzo wrote: Why is support riki a bad thing? Fear ran during Captain Draft tournament and destroyed with it. Hey I'm not saying it's bad, maybe the 2k mmr russians have actually just been so far ahead all along. | ||
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lolnoty
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On April 29 2016 04:21 Dysisa wrote: Hey I'm not saying it's bad, maybe the 2k mmr russians have actually just been so far ahead all along. pubs dictate the pro scene to an amazing degree, so they might be | ||
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Plansix
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On April 29 2016 04:21 Procake wrote: Why is Dota tournament production value so shit compared to other eSports? This green screen, the problems, hahahahah Not all events have the same amount of money? Is this a real question? | ||
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Nedereden
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On April 29 2016 04:21 Danzo wrote: What? Also, the riki wasn't even the reason they won. IT was mostly terrible laning phases with tiny not getting any farm. This I concur with. Terrible laning choices and Sumail getting schooled in midlane. He should have taken some lessons from Dendi WR Vs Scandal Puck earlier. (Remember Scandal Puck even got respect banned at ESL One.) | ||
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Procake
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On April 29 2016 04:22 Plansix wrote: Not all events have the same amount of money? Is this a real question? This green screen is a joke though | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:23 Danzo wrote: Can anyone explain to me armlet WR? Why was this a thing? I think he felt he needed somethinig to tank immediately, because he's 100% likely to have to tank damage in a cloud before he can escape to windrun | ||
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lolnoty
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On April 29 2016 04:25 Danzo wrote: I feel kinda sad now. This was EG's first real test on a decent team and they got completely man handled. manhandled in a complete outdraft, I can't feel bad about it | ||
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Nedereden
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On April 29 2016 04:26 lolnoty wrote: manhandled in a complete outdraft, I can't feel bad about it Ofc you cant. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:26 lolnoty wrote: manhandled in a complete outdraft, I can't feel bad about it pretty sure thats worse tbh | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:26 cecek wrote: Very realistic chance EG gets eliminated here, actually. They can't be. | ||
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lolnoty
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why is that worse? you can't show play when you can't get levels and farm every PPD team has lost to hard outdrafts every now and then and they were still a top team | ||
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On April 29 2016 04:25 Danzo wrote: I feel kinda sad now. This was EG's first real test on a decent team and they got completely man handled. To be fair, EG probably didn't believe the Riki pick would have that much synergy with the rest of Vega's lineup. It merely seemed like a poor man's BH to deal with the Enigma. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
This team, I don't know whether they can get to the final as it is, but I'm sure they're still just trying to understand each other. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:23 Nedereden wrote: This I concur with. Terrible laning choices and Sumail getting schooled in midlane. He should have taken some lessons from Dendi WR Vs Scandal Puck earlier. (Remember Scandal Puck even got respect banned at ESL One.) There's no lessons to learn from Dendi vs Scandal. Dendi had a Wisp, and that's the only reason why Scandal got crushed mid lane. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Unfortunately this not only forced doom into an offlane role (much weaker than as a disruptive 4) but also was very vulnerable to the riki pick that I don't think PPD considered. The draft was pretty much lost from there IMO. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:29 CosmicSpiral wrote: To be fair, EG probably didn't believe the Riki pick would have that much synergy with the rest of Vega's lineup. It merely seemed like a poor man's BH to deal with the Enigma. Ya but shutting up the Enigma in jungle or in this case severely delaying him is huge, means u can do alot. Scaling late game is the issue, but he was so far ahead it didn't matter. But that wasn't reason EG lost for me, if they had a fighting carry from earlier they would have had a better time, but Aui couldn't do much Oh well, onto the next one! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 29 2016 04:29 lolnoty wrote: why is that worse? you can't show play when you can't get levels and farm every PPD team has lost to hard outdrafts every now and then and they were still a top team ppd normally hard outdrafts someone at least once per Bo3. It can go back against them, as well, and tends to early in a patch. The Riki synergy was extremely thought out. Lich helped keep Midlane going Puck's way, but Riki really botched up EG's plan for the game. It probably means drafting Enigma first-phase will require very different bans. It is a new hero in Captain's Mode and good on Vega for getting the "first actor" advantage. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:32 Taf the Ghost wrote: ppd normally hard outdrafts someone at least once per Bo3. It can go back against them, as well, and tends to early in a patch. The Riki synergy was extremely thought out. Lich helped keep Midlane going Puck's way, but Riki really botched up EG's plan for the game. It probably means drafting Enigma first-phase will require very different bans. It is a new hero in Captain's Mode and good on Vega for getting the "first actor" advantage. I agree which is why I still question why Vega would reveal Riki as a backup jungle counter in groups instead of playoffs. They will definitely change how they think of junglers after that game. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:30 Azarkon wrote: The problem with the last PPD team was that they'd get to the final, and then lose it bad. This tells me that there are problems with their strategy when teams prepare against them. This team, I don't know whether they can get to the final as it is, but I'm sure they're still just trying to understand each other. Realistically, EG gets to the finals because they're the most solid team. Then they meet up against the team on a Hot Streak and lose. They really need to think about a dedicated coach for LANs. But Bulba might be more valuable during the longer LANs than other players. | ||
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Plansix
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On April 29 2016 04:32 Sn0_Man wrote: What happened in the draft was that after Vega picked Lich, EG decided that Engima was the best counter both because it closes the XP gap that lich opens and also because lich is very weak at punishing a jungle. The two common heroes that seriously interfere with enigma jungle are bounty and doom, so with bounty banned EG simply picked Doom + Enigma. Unfortunately this not only forced doom into an offlane role (much weaker than as a disruptive 4) but also was very vulnerable to the riki pick that I don't think PPD considered. The draft was pretty much lost from there IMO. This is the reasonable post game run down I am looking for. I felt that thing was lost once they picked Engima so early. I think most teams have figured out a way around that with their players. | ||
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bluzi
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On April 29 2016 04:32 Pandemona wrote: Ya but shutting up the Enigma in jungle or in this case severely delaying him is huge, means u can do alot. Scaling late game is the issue, but he was so far ahead it didn't matter. But that wasn't reason EG lost for me, if they had a fighting carry from earlier they would have had a better time, but Aui couldn't do much Oh well, onto the next one! They lost the lanes , what can a Tiny dual can do vs a seering arrow clinkz ? you gonna get your consumables gone in 3 min and you rely on Clinkz making mistakes in lane in order to kill him , panel said Vega were greedy and i told you guys NO they had lane dominators once the laning phase was over Vega were up 5k or something with main cores 2-3k over their EG counterparts. Enigma is way more greedy then anything Vega picked but whatever , panel be panel. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 29 2016 04:34 lolnoty wrote: I agree which is why I still question why Vega would reveal Riki as a backup jungle counter in groups instead of playoffs. They will definitely change how they think of junglers after that game. ppd saves drafts. Aside from a few other captains, most don't. And it's not to their benefit to do it, either. For teams that aren't getting Invites, every win counts. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:36 Taf the Ghost wrote: ppd saves drafts. Aside from a few other captains, most don't. And it's not to their benefit to do it, either. For teams that aren't getting Invites, every win counts. Guy, your last two posts are about bulba being more valuable than other players and PPD saving strats day 2 of a new patch. EG lost a game, relax, no need to seek some weird explanations. | ||
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lolnoty
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PPD's analysis | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:42 nojok wrote: Guy, your last two posts are about bulba being more valuable than other players and PPD saving strats day 2 of a new patch. EG lost a game, relax, no need to seek some weird explanations. he wasn't saying EG was saving strats right now, he was talking about the past | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:42 lolnoty wrote: https://twitter.com/Peterpandam/status/725771636104941570 PPD's analysis Should've paid attention to low priority. | ||
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Plansix
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On April 29 2016 04:45 CosmicSpiral wrote: Should've paid attention to low priority. We are in the "Fuck it, lets see if we can make this work against a real team" phase of the patch. | ||
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On April 29 2016 04:46 Plansix wrote: We are in the "Fuck it, lets see if we can make this work against a real team" phase of the patch. So, DIffusal Viper next? | ||
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Romania3508 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Deso viper. The most cancer of cancer. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:42 nojok wrote: Guy, your last two posts are about bulba being more valuable than other players and PPD saving strats day 2 of a new patch. EG lost a game, relax, no need to seek some weird explanations. Eh, you really misread what I was saying. ^_^ | ||
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On April 29 2016 04:31 Papercappu wrote: i still think support riki is meh Riki roaming is pretty good. He can't play position 5 support, he is more like spirit breaker in that he does very little without farm. With farm he can do a lot of work but he does need to transition from roaming into a bit of farm to keep having impact. BH gets gold due to his skill set and stays relevant due to that. | ||
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Okay. | ||
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Who actually is going to mid for EG? Beast? Weaver? Enigma? Mirana? eeeh? MVP is gonna farm a mek on bristle and push the fuck out of the towers. Or mabye they take page out of NaVi's book with the dual mid qop io? I mistook sumails mirana for a techies... | ||
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Shaella
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On April 29 2016 05:49 Artisreal wrote: This really seems like an outdraft by MVP. Who actually is going to mid for EG? Beast? Weaver? Enigma? Mirana? eeeh? MVP is gonna farm a mek on bristle and push the fuck out of the towers. Or mabye they take page out of NaVi's book with the dual mid qop io? Dude Mirana is op now Beast is OP as fuck Enigma will literally always be a good hero Alright i can't explain weaver. | ||
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On April 29 2016 05:51 Nyan wrote: what kind of abomination is Mirana riding cosmetics bro | ||
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Plansix
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On April 29 2016 05:49 Artisreal wrote: This really seems like an outdraft by MVP. Who actually is going to mid for EG? Beast? Weaver? Enigma? Mirana? eeeh? MVP is gonna farm a mek on bristle and push the fuck out of the towers. Or mabye they take page out of NaVi's book with the dual mid qop io? Um...ember is not that strong a laner, so they will send Mirana. It will work out. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Did I miss something? ember dual mid. Ember vs. beast might be too easy for beast. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On April 29 2016 05:52 Plansix wrote: Um...ember is not that strong a laner, so they will send Mirana. It will work out. Mirana is broken this patch i think that aghs | ||
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On April 29 2016 05:55 Artisreal wrote: Let us see how she fares against double bottle (io + ember) Well she just killed ember. | ||
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Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 29 2016 05:55 Artisreal wrote: Let us see how she fares against double bottle (io + ember) wisp is helping bot lol | ||
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Chile34171 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2016 05:55 Artisreal wrote: Let us see how she fares against double bottle (io + ember) Dead. Io is bot. Also star storm fucks ember since most of his damage is flame guard. | ||
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Germany9235 Posts
> that just happened > I immeadiately regret my decision > Sorry > Sorry Rest of the team: > well played! > well played! > well played! > well played! > well played! | ||
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Shaella
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black hoooole | ||
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Artisreal
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QO dying mid again. Being too agressive without sufficient mana to remnant away. | ||
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On April 29 2016 05:57 TheTenthDoc wrote: I really can't figure out if when casters say "what a great black hole by X" they're saying "that was a very skillful black hole" or "that was a useful black hole" or some weird conflation of the two I mean it was both in this case It was a useful blackhole because it got two kills it was a skillful black hole in this case because it caught both, despite their placements to either side, if he would have only caught one it wouldn't be 'great' | ||
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Grettin
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On April 29 2016 05:51 Nyan wrote: what kind of abomination is Mirana riding At first glance i thought she was riding Invincible.. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On April 29 2016 05:59 Azarkon wrote: Bulba why are you in this game. Dude i don't care who you are BM offlane vs QoP safelane should be brutal Bulba's job is to tank ults and keep pressure away from the other two lanes, and to get levels | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 29 2016 06:00 Shaella wrote: Dude i don't care who you are BM offlane vs QoP safelane should be brutal Bulba's job is to tank ults and keep pressure away from the other two lanes, and to get levels You can die in the early game, as long as you do well in the middle game. | ||
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On April 29 2016 06:01 Azarkon wrote: You can die in the early game, as long as you do well in the middle game. Ya its only 10 minutes in man, midgame just started | ||
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He needed to catch the WD | ||
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I blame Bulba. | ||
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On April 29 2016 06:05 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Another top Western team heading into tier-2-at-best territory And all of them are playing the same hero that loses them every game. Why? | ||
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On April 29 2016 06:05 TheTenthDoc wrote: It's really hard to find a good hole, both WD and Ember can cancel it fairly effectively if played appropriately. I think you have to prioritize the WD over the Ember | ||
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United States14827 Posts
so close | ||
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United States14827 Posts
Too bad i couldn't hear the casting. | ||
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On April 29 2016 06:05 Sn0_Man wrote: I don't get why teams insist on picking enigma tbh I don't either. The hero is straight up bad. He has the potential to be amazing, but only if the other team fucks up real bad. | ||
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This game is gonna get RAT | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:06 Stancel wrote: did ppd/eg not learn anything from enigmas at esl nope | ||
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Germany9235 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:12 Shaella wrote: For real that blackhole dodge was pretty slick by febby I felt he relocated and there was about 0,5 to a sec time to cancel the BH | ||
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Plansix
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On April 29 2016 06:13 Gear 3rd wrote: Does anyone know how sleight of fists interacts with echo sabre?? It does not hit twice, sadly. | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:05 Azarkon wrote: And all of them are playing the same hero that loses them every game. Why? Lack of practice, falling behind in understanding, shuffling with the old players which are useless...... Basically everything you hate about Chinese dota a month ago. | ||
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On April 29 2016 06:16 CxWiLL wrote: Lack of practice, falling behind in understanding, shuffling with the old players which are useless...... Basically everything you hate about Chinese dota a month ago. What? They all started playing this hero in the last few weeks. | ||
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On April 29 2016 06:19 Ufnal wrote: Ok, could a kind soul explain to me WHAT IN THE FUCK HAPPENED?!? I mean, Fear got killed instantly, but how? I think it was wd ult? | ||
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On April 29 2016 06:19 Shaella wrote: i think febby is the mvp tbh. this is a hard wisp game too. what a player | ||
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United States3789 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:18 Kirsed wrote: Cask was going before Fear even blinked. Dubu MVP. Cask wasn't used. The fight replay revealed that. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
He has like 10k net worth but all of it is next to useless in teamfights. Sure you farm fast but when you can't kill anyone onto a 4 man blackhole with your top net worth | ||
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France15845 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:22 Stancel wrote: midas aghs blink, i played against this exact potm build in a pub yesterday Maybe it was sumail tanking some MMR to pracice his mirana :D | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:20 uriel- wrote: I'm not convinced by this Mirana so far He has like 10k net worth but all of it is next to useless in teamfights. Sure you farm fast but when you can't kill anyone onto a 4 man blackhole with your top net worth carry something is off Wisp built Perseverance. Ember has shield. Only Witch Doctor and QoP are squishy and they have been blown up but never at the same time in a fight.. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:23 Azarkon wrote: Fear is in no way playing bad. The hero is the problem. either it's china or it's the hero. of course | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:24 Artisreal wrote: either it's china or it's the hero. of course China doesn't use the hero. | ||
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wims80
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
(just kidding of course) | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
Crits on every hit is icefraud crazy? | ||
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eonrulz
United Kingdom225 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:24 Artisreal wrote: either it's china or it's the hero. of course Enigma a one trick pony and requires to many items. And every pro team knows how to avoid getting hit by the black hole. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
I like the retort. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:25 Plansix wrote: Enigma a one trick pony and requires to many items. And every pro team knows how to avoid getting hit by the black hole. Enigma's best when he has a setup | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:25 TheTenthDoc wrote: EG back to being sadboys after all this time (just kidding of course) Nothing can actually be worse than EG = Jeyo, Fogged, MSS, Fear and Universe. | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:24 Artisreal wrote: either it's china or it's the hero. of course Literally any other of Sumail's mids (or even a "normal" Potm build) and EG wipes that fight with Fear's 4-man black hole. Then everyone would be like WOAH EG WOAH FEAR WHAT A TEAM GREAT ENIGMA They had no damage to kill anyone and bunched up for the counter. Naturally this is not a problem with the team but with Enigma because EG isn't Chinese though, and only Chinese teams play bad or make strategic errors. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Danzo
2820 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Yes. You need another hero to set him up. But when you draft him, you normally end up sacking your off lane. Game is hard. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:27 uriel- wrote: Literally any other of Sumail's mids (or even a "normal" Potm build) and EG wipes that fight with Fear's 4-man black hole. Then everyone would be like WOAH EG WOAH FEAR WHAT A TEAM GREAT ENIGMA They had no damage to kill anyone and bunched up for the counter. Naturally this is not a problem with the team but with Enigma because EG isn't Chinese though, and only Chinese teams play bad or make strategic errors. It's as though you don't understand what they have to give up by using that hero. Why do you think they lose early game every game? | ||
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Danzo
2820 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:25 Shaella wrote: Bloodthorne is broken i'm calling it Crits on every hit is icefraud crazy? The CD is way too short imo. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:27 uriel- wrote: Literally any other of Sumail's mids (or even a "normal" Potm build) and EG wipes that fight with Fear's 4-man black hole. Then everyone would be like WOAH EG WOAH FEAR WHAT A TEAM GREAT ENIGMA They had no damage to kill anyone and bunched up for the counter. Naturally this is not a problem with the team but with Enigma because EG isn't Chinese though, and only Chinese teams play bad or make strategic errors. Pretty sure you just replace weaver with any hero that isn't shit and the game is fine. Like, sven or one of the 19 other physical damage cores that are not that hero. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:28 TheTenthDoc wrote: I don't remember Bulba's Beastmaster shouting at anyone that whole game he did shouting i saw some Some were shit tho | ||
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Danzo
2820 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote: CoL would beat 2-1 this kind of EG right now, I think. The lack of Universe is showing in this EG. Bulba getting stomped twice in his lane. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Still, they looked better than Secret did, Day 1 at ESL One Manila. | ||
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Gear 3rd
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:29 Danzo wrote: The lack of Universe is showing in this EG. Bulba getting stomped twice in his lane. They threw Bulba to the dogs both games. Its very hard to win your off lane when enigma is on the team and the other support is babysitting a shitty weaver. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:31 Plansix wrote: They threw Bulba to the dogs both games. Its very hard to win your off lane when enigma is on the team and the other support is babysitting a shitty weaver. p6 is talking intelligently about dota i'm losing it | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:28 Azarkon wrote: It's as though you don't understand what they have to give up by using that hero. Why do you think they lose early game every game? but when Chinese pick the same heroes and lost, you stated that they didn't practice, and fell behind in understanding. | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:30 Taf the Ghost wrote: EG have the problem of running out of damage when they go for these Enigma drafts. I think, against better teams, it just has to eat up too much resources when you don't land the first 1-2 for good kills. When it works, it snowballs. When it doesn't, well, they run out of damage. (MVP.P also drafted their "3 cores, hope 2 get farm" approach, which worked this game.) Still, they looked better than Secret did, Day 1 at ESL One Manila. eh Secret got completely outdraft that series.pretty easy to look bad | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Blink mirana is stupid. For all the farm sumail had, his mirana contributed little. Also, I love watching raid boss bristle. Sadly forev didn't hit that stage yet, but still MVP wisp bristle drafts are awesome. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:31 Plansix wrote: They threw Bulba to the dogs both games. Its very hard to win your off lane when enigma is on the team and the other support is babysitting a shitty weaver. eh, bulba tp'd into some stupid shit and some of his spells were bad. it's not his fault though, i actually blame it on aui. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:31 CxWiLL wrote: but when Chinese pick the same heroes and lost, you stated that they didn't practice, and fell behind in understanding. I think everyone's saying that the Enigma pick is EG falling behind in understanding | ||
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Danzo
2820 Posts
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
Maybe that's because they're not stupid like Western teams Checkmate atheists | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:32 Shaella wrote: I think everyone's saying that the Enigma pick is EG falling behind in understanding No pretty sure it's icefrog being a scrub, EG are not Chinese so they can't be behind others in understanding. It's PPD, he has literally never made a bad draft in the history of Dota. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:31 CxWiLL wrote: but when Chinese pick the same heroes and lost, you stated that they didn't practice, and fell behind in understanding. Because they didn't practice and fell behind in understanding. While this is a case of the top three Western teams all deciding that one hero is a must pick, and then failing with it again and again. I imagine this can only happen if all they did was practice against each other. They'll learn. In time for Manila, I'm sure. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
EG's pulled things back plenty of times, but I'd still be a tiny bit worried as a fan. Aui had 2 bad games, Bulba had 3 and they looked pretty lost overall. Like what's that midas aghs potm stuff, there's no way that's good. | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:35 Dysisa wrote: Genuine question; did Suma1l hit a single arrow today? On an enemy hero? yeah he hit plenty | ||
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wims80
1892 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:28 TheTenthDoc wrote: I don't remember Bulba's Beastmaster shouting at anyone that whole game I saw him roar several times, but there was no follow-up damage to take advantage of it | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:32 Artisreal wrote: universe wouldnt have done much different as beast vs qop he would've gone iron talon lvl 1 instead of thinking he could contest | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Hardly any were singsing level of clutch though. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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CuSToM
United States1478 Posts
was getting nervous thinking they haven't done anything since dotapit. and they still really haven't but this is a nice start | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:36 DucK- wrote: Hardly any were singsing level of clutch though. this is the singsing meta, mirana core is back | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:35 Dysisa wrote: Genuine question; did Suma1l hit a single arrow today? On an enemy hero? He did, he landed a perfect max-range arrow on an ember farming bottom solo but couldn't kill him because he did NO DAMAGE | ||
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Danzo
2820 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:38 uriel- wrote: He did, he landed a perfect max-range arrow on an ember farming bottom solo but couldn't kill him because he did NO DAMAGE Imagine if that was Storm. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:38 uriel- wrote: He did, he landed a perfect max-range arrow on an ember farming bottom solo but couldn't kill him because he did NO DAMAGE That hero is terrible at right clicking, so its understandable. The problem is the rest of that draft was terrible at it as well. | ||
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Danzo
2820 Posts
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:39 Plansix wrote: That hero is terrible at right clicking, so its understandable. The problem is the rest of that draft was terrible at it as well. Mirana is pretty alright at right clicking if she doesn't go Midas Aghs Blink tbh I guess they didn't expect Weaver to have that slow a start but still. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
it also cost 7.3k gold | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:41 uriel- wrote: Mirana is pretty alright at right clicking if she doesn't go Midas Aghs Blink tbh I guess they didn't expect Weaver to have that slow a start but still. By all right, you mean, "they would be better drafting any other hero on the planet to right click things as a mid." She is like Puck level of right click potential. Sure, it can happen, but WHY????? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:42 Plansix wrote: By all right, you mean, "they would be better drafting any other hero on the planet to right click things as a mid." She is like Puck level of right click potential. Sure, it can happen, but WHY????? ? Mirana has been playable as a right click dps since the beginning of time, how is she comparable to puck? We talking about the same hero here? | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:38 uriel- wrote: He did, he landed a perfect max-range arrow on an ember farming bottom solo but couldn't kill him because he did NO DAMAGE Ahhh, glad to know Mirana is just the same as she was when I stopped playing her over a year ago. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:44 uriel- wrote: ? Mirana has been playable as a right click dps since the beginning of time, how is she comparable to puck? We talking about the same hero here? you're arguing with a 2k player who has no memory of c9 or eg playing the hero around ti4 dont worry about it | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:44 uriel- wrote: ? Mirana has been playable as a right click dps since the beginning of time, how is she comparable to puck? We talking about the same hero here? I never said it was not possible. I only said that many, many, many other heroes do it better. That build would have been fine if the team had more damage to back it up. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
it amplfifes damage x1.3+ for EVERYONE attacking the target. it's as OP as it gets, really. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:46 Plansix wrote: I never said it was not possible. I only said that many, many, many other heroes do it better. That build would have been fine if the team had more damage to back it up. Yes, but then again, given that they were not going to have a support in middle, while MVP can easily have one middle, which other hero would not get shut down? | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:44 uriel- wrote: ? Mirana has been playable as a right click dps since the beginning of time, how is she comparable to puck? We talking about the same hero here? how is she playable as a right clicker when there are much better alternatives? even if you were to get the most insane items for mirana, she's only good if you're 1 1/2 items ahead of the enemy carry. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:47 Azarkon wrote: Yes, but then again, given that they were not going to have a support in middle, while MVP can easily have one middle, which other hero would not get shut down? That part is hard and the real limiting part of enigma drafts I think. You risk sacking 2 lanes. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote: That part is hard and the real limiting part of enigma drafts I think. You risk sacking 2 lanes. Yes, and that's why I believe this hero is the problem, from the start. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:48 Kuroeeah wrote: how is she playable as a right clicker when there are much better alternatives? even if you were to get the most insane items for mirana, she's only good if you're 1 1/2 items ahead of the enemy carry. Is this thread the real life? Na'vi JUST played and won with a carry Mirana like five hours ago or something. Literally. The hero's been out of favor recently but carry Mirana was not uncommon a couple years back. Have you guys been playing Dota for like 3 days or something | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:43 Azarkon wrote: Problems playing around Bulba might be why PPD keeps using Fear this way. Otherwise I don't understand why you don't just pick a support for Fear and have him help Bulba get farm. Instead they leave Bulba to himself and then play around Fear. I get the feeling that Enigma is one of those picks that's scrimmed among the top teams and works online & in scrims because the reaction times are just slightly slower. (Both from the lack of competitive nature & lag) Those very tiny differences are all it takes to turn a fight with Black Hole. That, and they're probably most practiced playing that way coming in, so they're running strategies they're comfortable with. It's new roster, Day 1 EG, new patch and Bo1. I think we actually should be surprised how well it went, given EG's general history, lol. Still, I look forward to the games tomorrow. MVP.P vs Na'Vi should be nuts. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:50 uriel- wrote: Is this thread the real life? Na'vi JUST played and won with a carry Mirana like five hours ago or something. Literally. The hero's been out of favor recently but carry Mirana was not uncommon a couple years back. Have you guys been playing Dota for like 3 days or something oh right we're using a top tier team like na'vi as an example for why mirana right clicks good. my mistake. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:50 uriel- wrote: Is this thread the real life? Na'vi JUST played and won with a carry Mirana like five hours ago or something. Literally. The hero's been out of favor recently but carry Mirana was not uncommon a couple years back. Have you guys been playing Dota for like 3 days or something It is possible to win with a lot of heroes as cores. But "possible" doesn't mean "amazing". There were a lot of shitty heroes now that were cores then. And a lot of cores that are supports now. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:50 Taf the Ghost wrote: I get the feeling that Enigma is one of those picks that's scrimmed among the top teams and works online & in scrims because the reaction times are just slightly slower. (Both from the lack of competitive nature & lag) Those very tiny differences are all it takes to turn a fight with Black Hole. That, and they're probably most practiced playing that way coming in, so they're running strategies they're comfortable with. It's new roster, Day 1 EG, new patch and Bo1. I think we actually should be surprised how well it went, given EG's general history, lol. Still, I look forward to the games tomorrow. MVP.P vs Na'Vi should be nuts. I get the same idea. All three top Western teams using it even though it loses them games, that has to be due to it working in practice. But now, I hope, they'll understand it doesn't work as well in tournaments, and stop using it every game. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote: That part is hard and the real limiting part of enigma drafts I think. You risk sacking 2 lanes. Mirana won mid handily and led the team in net worth pretty much for the entire game until the buyback, when they already lost. If you want to say sumail was "shut down", his build did it for him, not the Enigma. The risk of "sacking two lanes" comes with the benefit of possibly "winning 4 lanes" if you don't fall too far behind and get to abuse the jungle with the fastest jungler in the game. This was in fact what TI4 EG (and TI5 secret) abused over and over. Zai's Enigma was a must-ban, if you recall. Of course the meta has moved on, but the idea has not changed. The problem with this draft was that they had no follow up to the Enigma, whether because of misplays in the lane or poor strategic decisions as the game went on. I sympathize with Azarkon's need to rationalize EG's defeat in any possible way other than "they fucked up" but he really needs to do a better job of it. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote: it amplfifes damage x1.3+ for EVERYONE attacking the target. it's as OP as it gets, really. its also purgeable by quite a few items that are half its cost, so against competent opponents in a teamfight, it should get dispelled. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:57 Kraznaya wrote: its also purgeable by quite a few items that are half its cost, so against competent opponents in a teamfight, it should get dispelled. Most Orchid builders (NP, QoP, Clinkz) will more or less rush down 20-25min timing in 80%+ games, so in most cases target dies so fast dispell can't save her. It's also true for a late game. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:52 Plansix wrote: It is possible to win with a lot of heroes as cores. But "possible" doesn't mean "amazing". There were a lot of shitty heroes now that were cores then. And a lot of cores that are supports now. right-click mirana is super situational, but it's not remotely close to right-click puck | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
the cd its great tho it may end up being OP, but im not sure, its a 7k item, its not cheap, it better be worth it | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:52 Plansix wrote: It is possible to win with a lot of heroes as cores. But "possible" doesn't mean "amazing". There were a lot of shitty heroes now that were cores then. And a lot of cores that are supports now. You (and that other guy) are really missing the point here. At no point did I say "Mirana is TEh AWSUm DPS pEWPEWPEW TIER ONE CARRY". I did say she isn't awful at it, which is simply true. My point was just to propose that if Sumail had been going "normally" for the dps-style core Mirana (which is totally a thing and I'm not even going to bother digging up games or stats or whatever to support that) then he would 1. Probably have gotten the kill on the Ember when he got the solo 5 second arrow 2. Probably have won EG that fight with the 4-man black hole 3. Probably not be completely useless like he was Seriously reading is not hard | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Have Koreans even lost with this strategy yet? I don't think they have. Teams simply need to understand it and learn it. It's a strategy that has taken too many games. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
@Azarkon, ppd's draft was alright. But fucking Aui went Linkens first (against QoP, Bristle and WD, lol) and fucking Bulba was simply the worst player on a server. He is undecisive as fuck and roared the wrong targets 80%+ of the time. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote: it amplfifes damage x1.3+ for EVERYONE attacking the target. it's as OP as it gets, really. Bkb, Manta, Euls, all remove the silence, crits and are all much cheaper. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:48 Kuroeeah wrote: how is she playable as a right clicker when there are much better alternatives? even if you were to get the most insane items for mirana, she's only good if you're 1 1/2 items ahead of the enemy carry. She needs items, but she has good agi growth and can be a perfectly good right clicker with DPS items. I remember Loda's Mirana out carrying Envy's Luna during the infamous Arteezy Ember game. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 29 2016 07:12 the bear jew wrote: Bkb, Manta, Euls, all remove the silence, crits and are all much cheaper. It's a 7k item that can't really be rushed (because it offers zero survivability and is generally built on already squishy heroes), and has multiple counterplays by cheaper items as you mentioned. The effect is strong but it better be for 7k. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2016 07:10 Azarkon wrote: But as much as we hate on PPD's strategy... Have Koreans even lost with this strategy yet? I don't think they have. Teams simply need to understand it and learn it. It's a strategy that has taken too many games. Since they've gotten good, almost no one doesn't ban Wisp against them. When they try to run 3 full cores, though, it's tended to go badly. Wisp being the only true "defensive" support to really do well in 6.86 has a lot to do with that. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On April 29 2016 07:13 the bear jew wrote: She needs items, but she has good agi growth and can be a perfectly good right clicker with DPS items. I remember Loda's Mirana out carrying Envy's Luna during the infamous Arteezy Ember game. My argument here is that if a core mirana is on equal farm against almost any other core than mirana would struggle. building defensive items is a lot more awkward for mirana than most carries so she has to be ahead significantly for her to actually fight well. sumail was being ran down by MVP's heroes more than Aui's weaver that game, so blaming the game on Sumail's build seems completely silly to me. Ember was a non-factor the entire game and there was just no way sumail could do anything to a bristle. no team picks mirana core with the intention of staying even, there are better options in place for that. eg wanted to be ahead by the mid game but at that point, aui gave away some avoidable deaths and MVP had already gained traction. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
but im not sure tho | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Or if you manage to have a strong enough safelane to actually shut them down and then you also manage to stop them from doing ancients the combo is rather screwed. Often times it's already too late when it's barely over 10 minutes in game time when the Bristle has farmed a bunch in lane and has taken a big ancient stack. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
3578 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
Group A CIS beaten by Peru Group B CIS beating dotapit finalists | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
kill the wisp and the bristle dies | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On April 29 2016 08:30 Vertical wrote: Hit and miss ny CIS Group A CIS beaten by Peru Group B CIS beating dotapit finalists Well, it's Russian doto. There's a reason it's the best doto. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2016 09:14 IntoTheheart wrote: Well, it's Russian doto. There's a reason it's the best doto. If you want a heart attack twice a week. ^_^ | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
It's certainly more interesting that PPD Doto. Keke | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 29 2016 10:20 TanGeng wrote: Don't you like the entertainment? It's certainly more interesting that PPD Doto. Keke anytime PPD is beated to pulp is entertainment for me and boy oh boy they were raped by experimental pos 4 riki CIS doto yesterday, LELZ | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:56 uriel- wrote: Mirana won mid handily and led the team in net worth pretty much for the entire game until the buyback, when they already lost. If you want to say sumail was "shut down", his build did it for him, not the Enigma. The risk of "sacking two lanes" comes with the benefit of possibly "winning 4 lanes" if you don't fall too far behind and get to abuse the jungle with the fastest jungler in the game. This was in fact what TI4 EG (and TI5 secret) abused over and over. Zai's Enigma was a must-ban, if you recall. Of course the meta has moved on, but the idea has not changed. The problem with this draft was that they had no follow up to the Enigma, whether because of misplays in the lane or poor strategic decisions as the game went on. I sympathize with Azarkon's need to rationalize EG's defeat in any possible way other than "they fucked up" but he really needs to do a better job of it. Umm just to nitpick. Enigma isn't the fastest jungler in the game. Very certain broodmother is even if its purely jungle (ie. Jungle from level 1). On topic, sumail went for a very farm oriented build with both midas and agha. Agha can be considered a good fighting item if you're ahead, but when you're not all it provides is flash farming. Then factor that he bought a blink to complement it. I don't think that's the right call given how the game was going. He should have moved towards DPS items after agha. | ||
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