why is that worse? you can't show play when you can't get levels and farm

every PPD team has lost to hard outdrafts every now and then and they were still a top team

CosmicSpiral

United States15275 Posts

April 28 2016 19:29 GMT

#693

On April 29 2016 04:25 Danzo wrote:
I feel kinda sad now. This was EG's first real test on a decent team and they got completely man handled.

To be fair, EG probably didn't believe the Riki pick would have that much synergy with the rest of Vega's lineup. It merely seemed like a poor man's BH to deal with the Enigma.

Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

April 28 2016 19:30 GMT

#694

The problem with the last PPD team was that they'd get to the final, and then lose it bad. This tells me that there are problems with their strategy when teams prepare against them.

This team, I don't know whether they can get to the final as it is, but I'm sure they're still just trying to understand each other.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

April 28 2016 19:31 GMT

#695

On April 29 2016 04:23 Nedereden wrote:

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This I concur with. Terrible laning choices and Sumail getting schooled in midlane. He should have taken some lessons from Dendi WR Vs Scandal Puck earlier. (Remember Scandal Puck even got respect banned at ESL One.)

There's no lessons to learn from Dendi vs Scandal. Dendi had a Wisp, and that's the only reason why Scandal got crushed mid lane.

Papercappu

Canada2210 Posts

April 28 2016 19:31 GMT

#696

i still think support riki is meh

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

April 28 2016 19:32 GMT

#697

What happened in the draft was that after Vega picked Lich, EG decided that Engima was the best counter both because it closes the XP gap that lich opens and also because lich is very weak at punishing a jungle. The two common heroes that seriously interfere with enigma jungle are bounty and doom, so with bounty banned EG simply picked Doom + Enigma.

Unfortunately this not only forced doom into an offlane role (much weaker than as a disruptive 4) but also was very vulnerable to the riki pick that I don't think PPD considered. The draft was pretty much lost from there IMO.

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51488 Posts

April 28 2016 19:32 GMT

#698

On April 29 2016 04:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:

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To be fair, EG probably didn't believe the Riki pick would have that much synergy with the rest of Vega's lineup. It merely seemed like a poor man's BH to deal with the Enigma.

Ya but shutting up the Enigma in jungle or in this case severely delaying him is huge, means u can do alot. Scaling late game is the issue, but he was so far ahead it didn't matter.

But that wasn't reason EG lost for me, if they had a fighting carry from earlier they would have had a better time, but Aui couldn't do much

Oh well, onto the next one!

Taf the Ghost

United States11751 Posts

April 28 2016 19:32 GMT

#699

On April 29 2016 04:29 lolnoty wrote:

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why is that worse? you can't show play when you can't get levels and farm

every PPD team has lost to hard outdrafts every now and then and they were still a top team

ppd normally hard outdrafts someone at least once per Bo3. It can go back against them, as well, and tends to early in a patch. The Riki synergy was extremely thought out. Lich helped keep Midlane going Puck's way, but Riki really botched up EG's plan for the game.

It probably means drafting Enigma first-phase will require very different bans. It is a new hero in Captain's Mode and good on Vega for getting the "first actor" advantage.

lolnoty

United States7166 Posts

April 28 2016 19:34 GMT

#700

On April 29 2016 04:32 Taf the Ghost wrote:

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I agree which is why I still question why Vega would reveal Riki as a backup jungle counter in groups instead of playoffs. They will definitely change how they think of junglers after that game.