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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
April 23 2016 14:31 GMT
#1121
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!

CM was huge, lets clinkz and invoker be more open to waste mana doing stuff in the early game
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 23 2016 14:32 GMT
#1122
On April 23 2016 23:31 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!

CM is a good hero atm.

I've seen some good CM in my pubs but myself have a hard time to balance laning, roaming and farming. Also it's so easy to feed with her.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Nebula
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
England780 Posts
April 23 2016 14:32 GMT
#1123
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!


Not sure you realise how useful that mana regen aura is for first 10-15 mins of the game. She's in a perfectly fine place at the moment.
<3
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 23 2016 14:33 GMT
#1124
Incoming 6.87 CM overbuff.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
April 23 2016 14:34 GMT
#1125
On April 23 2016 23:31 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!

CM is a good hero atm.

Relevant flair. NOT.
CM is not played at all literally in proscene for a reason.
Its pretty much a way to show dominance when you win in a non-cheese strat with her on your team. Even Pie-guru cudnt do much with her... BUFF PLSS.
"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
April 23 2016 14:36 GMT
#1126
On April 23 2016 23:32 Nebula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!


Not sure you realise how useful that mana regen aura is for first 10-15 mins of the game. She's in a perfectly fine place at the moment.

Not sure you realise that with the introduction of mango... the use of her mana regen aura has dropped significantly..
Have you seen her pick rates in proscene in the recent past?
"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 14:37:43
April 23 2016 14:36 GMT
#1127
On April 23 2016 23:32 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:31 lolnoty wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!

CM is a good hero atm.

I've seen some good CM in my pubs but myself have a hard time to balance laning, roaming and farming. Also it's so easy to feed with her.

she's super strong early (nova is sick) at securing a safelane by herself in most cases, her aura can be seen as like a 10% buff to your other lanes, and she can suck more exp out of jungle than most safelane supports if she needs.

then she's real fragile and you need to be very smart with positoning

if you did well and the game isnt over youll get to use your ult and do a million damage to end the game

edit: but it isn't uncommon for a CM to go like 1-5-7 but still be a big reason her team won, she plays an understated part that doesnt really show on kda
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Nebula
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
England780 Posts
April 23 2016 14:39 GMT
#1128
On April 23 2016 23:36 Nedereden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:32 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!


Not sure you realise how useful that mana regen aura is for first 10-15 mins of the game. She's in a perfectly fine place at the moment.

Not sure you realise that with the introduction of mango... the use of her mana regen aura has dropped significantly..
Have you seen her pick rates in proscene in the recent past?


82 pro games with cm since beginning of year with a 53% win rate. Not so bad.
<3
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 14:50:19
April 23 2016 14:40 GMT
#1129
I had to sleep. So a Chinese team won the second best American team? That's new - not. But a fourth place isn't going to do much for invite. Bad for Swindlemelonzz's team though, they're not going to get the invite now.
Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
April 23 2016 14:41 GMT
#1130
On April 23 2016 23:39 Nebula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:36 Nedereden wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:32 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!


Not sure you realise how useful that mana regen aura is for first 10-15 mins of the game. She's in a perfectly fine place at the moment.

Not sure you realise that with the introduction of mango... the use of her mana regen aura has dropped significantly..
Have you seen her pick rates in proscene in the recent past?


82 pro games with cm since beginning of year with a 53% win rate. Not so bad.

Lol. Have you seen how many progames have been played since the beginning of this year?
"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
Nebula
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
England780 Posts
April 23 2016 14:42 GMT
#1131
On April 23 2016 23:41 Nedereden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:39 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:36 Nedereden wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:32 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!


Not sure you realise how useful that mana regen aura is for first 10-15 mins of the game. She's in a perfectly fine place at the moment.

Not sure you realise that with the introduction of mango... the use of her mana regen aura has dropped significantly..
Have you seen her pick rates in proscene in the recent past?


82 pro games with cm since beginning of year with a 53% win rate. Not so bad.

Lol. Have you seen how many progames have been played since the beginning of this year?


So what about the 50+ other heroes that are picked less? :>
<3
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 23 2016 14:42 GMT
#1132
On April 23 2016 23:41 Nedereden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:39 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:36 Nedereden wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:32 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!


Not sure you realise how useful that mana regen aura is for first 10-15 mins of the game. She's in a perfectly fine place at the moment.

Not sure you realise that with the introduction of mango... the use of her mana regen aura has dropped significantly..
Have you seen her pick rates in proscene in the recent past?


82 pro games with cm since beginning of year with a 53% win rate. Not so bad.

Lol. Have you seen how many progames have been played since the beginning of this year?


It's already a nice amount of games to be honest.

The hero is balanced as it is. The only thing I think would make her an even better hero is a bit more intelligence from the start.

RTZ HAS INVOKER AGAIN WTF EMPIRE
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
April 23 2016 14:43 GMT
#1133
On April 23 2016 23:41 Nedereden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:39 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:36 Nedereden wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:32 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!


Not sure you realise how useful that mana regen aura is for first 10-15 mins of the game. She's in a perfectly fine place at the moment.

Not sure you realise that with the introduction of mango... the use of her mana regen aura has dropped significantly..
Have you seen her pick rates in proscene in the recent past?


82 pro games with cm since beginning of year with a 53% win rate. Not so bad.

Lol. Have you seen how many progames have been played since the beginning of this year?

the captains picking her are quite good so.. if you don't trust me then trust ppd and puppey that she's good enough to pick :D
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 14:44:24
April 23 2016 14:44 GMT
#1134
On April 23 2016 23:41 Nedereden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:39 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:36 Nedereden wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:32 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!


Not sure you realise how useful that mana regen aura is for first 10-15 mins of the game. She's in a perfectly fine place at the moment.

Not sure you realise that with the introduction of mango... the use of her mana regen aura has dropped significantly..
Have you seen her pick rates in proscene in the recent past?


82 pro games with cm since beginning of year with a 53% win rate. Not so bad.

Lol. Have you seen how many progames have been played since the beginning of this year?

About 1400 if we include no-name tier 4 teams, which still leaves her at a 5% pickrate, which is far from bad.
She's picked when she fits the draft, she's not a useless or overly weak hero.

Being picked in one in twenty games isn't a bad place to be for a hero, in a game where 100+ heroes exist.
Plenty of heroes that aren't CM are picked much much much less.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 14:44:40
April 23 2016 14:44 GMT
#1135
who the fucks ban doom and bh first phase when theres invoker left, empire its fucking dumb
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
April 23 2016 14:44 GMT
#1136
On April 23 2016 23:43 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:41 Nedereden wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:39 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:36 Nedereden wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:32 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!


Not sure you realise how useful that mana regen aura is for first 10-15 mins of the game. She's in a perfectly fine place at the moment.

Not sure you realise that with the introduction of mango... the use of her mana regen aura has dropped significantly..
Have you seen her pick rates in proscene in the recent past?


82 pro games with cm since beginning of year with a 53% win rate. Not so bad.

Lol. Have you seen how many progames have been played since the beginning of this year?

the captains picking her are quite good so.. if you don't trust me then trust ppd and puppey that she's good enough to pick :D

Yikes CM again!
"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
April 23 2016 14:44 GMT
#1137
CM I think just needs better, not 280 move speed and I believe she will be picked a lot more. Doesn't have to be ridiculous 315 some heroes start with, just 290 will make a big increase.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
turpentine
Profile Joined November 2015
1624 Posts
April 23 2016 14:44 GMT
#1138
CM so bad she's picked a second time
Book of Funn1k, 3:22 "YOU RUINED MY LIFE AND NOW YOU TALK ABOUT 0-7 TUSK?? I would so fuckin Walrus Punch you that you will get stunned for 1 year."
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 14:46:04
April 23 2016 14:45 GMT
#1139
On April 23 2016 23:43 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 23:41 Nedereden wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:39 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:36 Nedereden wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:32 Nebula wrote:
On April 23 2016 23:29 Nedereden wrote:
Universe on point - MVP for me... Puppey plsss no more CM...
The strength of this iteration of Secret displayed in the way they won despite having CM. Icefrog buff Elsa!!


Not sure you realise how useful that mana regen aura is for first 10-15 mins of the game. She's in a perfectly fine place at the moment.

Not sure you realise that with the introduction of mango... the use of her mana regen aura has dropped significantly..
Have you seen her pick rates in proscene in the recent past?


82 pro games with cm since beginning of year with a 53% win rate. Not so bad.

Lol. Have you seen how many progames have been played since the beginning of this year?

the captains picking her are quite good so.. if you don't trust me then trust ppd and puppey that she's good enough to pick :D

I still would like to see how many times she's picked after enchantress.

Rubick mid agha rush please!!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
much_wow
Profile Joined October 2015
Germany5 Posts
April 23 2016 14:45 GMT
#1140
ENIGMAH!
Yesterday you said tomorrow!
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