EPTThat puts them like 5 tiers down, it's just math
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
That puts them like 5 tiers down, it's just math | ||
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
Slark, windranger ; beastmaster;doom;lion Damn son xD | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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trollcenter
362 Posts
On March 06 2016 20:58 FuzzyJAM wrote: To be honest, I think Cr1t was right when he said that. Secret had something of a lucky run at Frankfurt, and their following matches kind of suggests he was right. Secret has clearly really raised their game since Frankfurt, so using this as proof that Cr1t was wrong is stupid. Secret had reached 4 tournament finals in a row at the time, with 2 of them won. Their run at Frankfurt was not lucky, they beat top teams to reach the finals. How much more should they have done to prove themselves? The fact that they had a slump afterwards doesn't take away the fact that they've repeatedly shown to be a top team beforehand. Now they have a 2nd and a 1st place in the first two majors held, if they play bad in the following small tournaments that makes them overrated again by your logic, right? Then EG's overrated too. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On March 06 2016 21:05 goody153 wrote: Secret was the strongest team that time even when OG won the finals. They dominated the most in that span of time. Got into 5 grand finals. That is definitely not overrated if you ask me They were obviously the strongest team of the period. I said as much at the time. That doesn't stop them being overrated by people who fail to realise that "strongest team" can still easily lose to many others and that it's going to vary a great deal tournament to tournament - which is exactly what we saw, for months. Nor does it change the fact that they played fairly meh for their 2nd place. Their 2-1 over EG was the only properly impressive result (arguably 2-1 VG, but meh), and a lot of that came from EG not playing at their peak rather than Secret playing well. I can't imagine Secret beating the EG that played OG, and they'd have struggled against other teams too. But whatever, what's done is done. Secret are the best team in the world again, and that's what matters to me. :D | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On March 06 2016 21:14 FuzzyJAM wrote: They were obviously the strongest team of the period. I said as much at the time. That doesn't stop them being overrated by people who fail to realise that "strongest team" can still easily lose to many others and that it's going to vary a great deal tournament to tournament - which is exactly what we saw, for months. Nor does it change the fact that they played fairly meh for their 2nd place. Their 2-1 over EG was the only properly impressive result (arguably 2-1 VG, but meh), and a lot of that came from EG not playing at their peak rather than Secret playing well. I can't imagine Secret beating the EG that played OG, and they'd have struggled against other teams too. But whatever, what's done is done. Secret are the best team in the world again, and that's what matters to me. :D cr1t didn't say they were overrated He said they were only decent and didn't deserve top 4 | ||
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mycro
Sweden1579 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On March 06 2016 21:15 TomatoBisque wrote: cr1t didn't say they were overrated He said they were only decent and didn't deserve top 4 Well I think in any competition a team "deserves" whatever they get. But I don't think it's crazy to imagine that Secret could easily have done notably worse than they did had the bracket fallen out differently or their opponents played their best in different games, and I find it very difficult to believe they played the second best Dota at the event, which is what I assume he meant. | ||
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neozxa
Indonesia545 Posts
Personal props to EE for making me unable to breathe for a couple of minutes after you bought rapier and went to come back from 2 pairs of raxes. Puppey is a demigod of a captain nuff said | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
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trollcenter
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On March 06 2016 21:14 FuzzyJAM wrote: They were obviously the strongest team of the period. I said as much at the time. That doesn't stop them being overrated by people who fail to realise that "strongest team" can still easily lose to many others and that it's going to vary a great deal tournament to tournament - which is exactly what we saw, for months. Nor does it change the fact that they played fairly meh for their 2nd place. Their 2-1 over EG was the only properly impressive result (arguably 2-1 VG, but meh), and a lot of that came from EG not playing at their peak rather than Secret playing well. I can't imagine Secret beating the EG that played OG, and they'd have struggled against other teams too. But whatever, what's done is done. Secret are the best team in the world again, and that's what matters to me. :D Yet you ignore the fact that Secret played far from their peak in the finals vs OG, it was their worst performance in the tournament by far and it wasn't due to what OG was doing. If you attribute their victory over EG to EG's subpar play, you have to mention Secret's subpar play in the loss against OG too. And the strongest team in the world isn't one that can't lose to anyone, it's the one that shows the most consistency when it matters; Secret with 4 tournament finals (2 wins) in a row was definitely a big contender for the title. Think of EG, they were definitely the best in the world in the year when they won DAC and TI, even if they lost other lans. There's no reason to say Secret weren't at least top 4 in the world at the time, like Crit was saying but whatever. I'm waiting for OG themselves to show they're not overrated and that their Frankfurt victory wasn't a fluke | ||
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
Overall, amazing series! (Apart from the delay, 2GD, and "vip room") Honestly this is one of the best meta i think. Yes maybe invoker is a tad bit too strong but hey he's more fun to watch than sniper | ||
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Kyir
United States1047 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 06 2016 21:11 shad2810 wrote: The next statues of heroes that won for the last game for manila major would be sick as fuck Slark, windranger ; beastmaster;doom;lion Damn son xD sounds like a pretty SEA lineup tbh maybe beastmaster least so | ||
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dreamseller
Australia914 Posts
On March 06 2016 21:00 haduken wrote: i think sumail is just your typical raging teens in dota pubs the difference is he actually have skills to be in a tier 1 team. even in the EG videos you can see how awkward he is, like no one in EG really talks to him etc.. but then again at his age he probably doesn't have the social skills to connect. Like he's good and all but don't expect him to be a leader or anything like PPD/Puppey but whatever kid is young and he won TI so he can talk as much as he wants. yep i think people are expecting too much for a migrant teenager gamer who just won ~1m dollars. it's hard to keep one's ego in check even without those complicating factors at that age. i look back at what my behaviour was like at that age and it was appalling, so i think it's always good to cut some slack. i'm sure he'll mature. | ||
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Akill0816
Germany90 Posts
For Liquid it was more of an up and down tournament with a great result. I hope they will continue to have sucess. Good that EG did not win the team. I just don't linke most of their players. I was happy with the Liquid Win over EG eventhough EG was my compendium predictions. Best Series was EG vs Secret. The Meta at Frankfurt was more fun to watch for me. I miss these crazy Huskar/Meepo Draft. But at least the Meta had some variantions in it and we have some teams who might be able to win big tournaments. I hope OG will be back for the next major. Now i'm happy to have a bit of a pause from dota-watching. | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
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blobrus
4297 Posts
On March 06 2016 22:32 dreamseller wrote: yep i think people are expecting too much for a migrant teenager gamer who just won ~1m dollars. it's hard to keep one's ego in check even without those complicating factors at that age. i look back at what my behaviour was like at that age and it was appalling, so i think it's always good to cut some slack. i'm sure he'll mature. Reddit seems ready to crucify him. So many people have some seriously rose tinted glasses about what most teenagers are like. I literally saw someone say he's "replaceable". Also grats to secret/ee sama. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On March 06 2016 21:19 FuzzyJAM wrote: Well I think in any competition a team "deserves" whatever they get. But I don't think it's crazy to imagine that Secret could easily have done notably worse than they did had the bracket fallen out differently or their opponents played their best in different games, and I find it very difficult to believe they played the second best Dota at the event, which is what I assume he meant. This is the same OG that lost 2 sets to Vega at Frankfurt right? By that logic they could've gotten any placement at that major depending on when and if they met Vega in the playoffs so I guess they were just as bad if not worse. I'm not sure how Secret was overrate. No one thought they were unbeatable but they were the best team going into that tournament by any reasonable account. | ||
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
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