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On February 26 2016 18:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 18:54 Dracolich70 wrote:On February 26 2016 18:53 Azarkon wrote:On February 26 2016 18:52 Dracolich70 wrote:On February 26 2016 18:46 Azarkon wrote: And the biggest problem, of course, has always been the management. They failed, for years, to build a competitive environment that motivates players to compete, and now that Dota is no longer the top game in China, they just can't find enough players with motivation to compete for them. I said this, of course, about four years ago, but the lack of new talent in China always showed an issue with the scene in terms of how competitive its environment was.
These players who've been here for years and years, they're tired and they no longer care. It is obvious. Yet the players who do care, lack the experience & skill to compete at the international level due to the failure of the old players to transfer their understanding, and so in time, they also lose hope and then stop trying. Seen it again and again, China's player base is too old and too tired now to give a fuck, and so they'll keep failing to teams from other regions that do still care. They had 2-5th place at TI. 2nd place at Nanyang. 3rd at SL. 1st at MDL. Their results have been getting worse over time. It has always been back and forth. West is just growing more, as it is more dynamic. This tournament has not been "back and forth." It's been China being shit on. This tournament has not been great thus far for them. But no one are out yet. Last premier tournament eHome shat on everyone.
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On February 26 2016 18:50 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 18:50 goody153 wrote: Actually this may not be as bad as it seems
Remember pre-ti5 China was so terrible then when TI5 happened it would've been TI4 repeat with Chinese dominance if it wasn't for EG These tournaments are the equivalent of international. And as invite is decided by it, the Chinese won't have over two teams in the international. Not really it doesn't have the same more than 10 million+ pricepool
I know competition is the main thing but the huge money is really motivating.
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On February 26 2016 18:57 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 18:56 Azarkon wrote:On February 26 2016 18:54 Dracolich70 wrote:On February 26 2016 18:53 Azarkon wrote:On February 26 2016 18:52 Dracolich70 wrote:On February 26 2016 18:46 Azarkon wrote: And the biggest problem, of course, has always been the management. They failed, for years, to build a competitive environment that motivates players to compete, and now that Dota is no longer the top game in China, they just can't find enough players with motivation to compete for them. I said this, of course, about four years ago, but the lack of new talent in China always showed an issue with the scene in terms of how competitive its environment was.
These players who've been here for years and years, they're tired and they no longer care. It is obvious. Yet the players who do care, lack the experience & skill to compete at the international level due to the failure of the old players to transfer their understanding, and so in time, they also lose hope and then stop trying. Seen it again and again, China's player base is too old and too tired now to give a fuck, and so they'll keep failing to teams from other regions that do still care. They had 2-5th place at TI. 2nd place at Nanyang. 3rd at SL. 1st at MDL. Their results have been getting worse over time. It has always been back and forth. West is just growing more, as it is more dynamic. This tournament has not been "back and forth." It's been China being shit on. This tournament has not been great thus far for them. But no one are out yet.
Two of their teams are already going to be last, because they have to play each other.
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yo guys this is actually retarded, there's a part of this thread discussing the game and another part discussing the drama
can't we just get another thread for that so everything is not fucked up
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are the people saying they're boycotting because 2GD is gone... Are they for real? despite the shitty delays, and other issues, real dota fans are here to watch matches, not personalities.
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Midone is showing soo much promise this game ..midone God show honestly
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On February 26 2016 18:57 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 18:57 Dracolich70 wrote:On February 26 2016 18:56 Azarkon wrote:On February 26 2016 18:54 Dracolich70 wrote:On February 26 2016 18:53 Azarkon wrote:On February 26 2016 18:52 Dracolich70 wrote:On February 26 2016 18:46 Azarkon wrote: And the biggest problem, of course, has always been the management. They failed, for years, to build a competitive environment that motivates players to compete, and now that Dota is no longer the top game in China, they just can't find enough players with motivation to compete for them. I said this, of course, about four years ago, but the lack of new talent in China always showed an issue with the scene in terms of how competitive its environment was.
These players who've been here for years and years, they're tired and they no longer care. It is obvious. Yet the players who do care, lack the experience & skill to compete at the international level due to the failure of the old players to transfer their understanding, and so in time, they also lose hope and then stop trying. Seen it again and again, China's player base is too old and too tired now to give a fuck, and so they'll keep failing to teams from other regions that do still care. They had 2-5th place at TI. 2nd place at Nanyang. 3rd at SL. 1st at MDL. Their results have been getting worse over time. It has always been back and forth. West is just growing more, as it is more dynamic. This tournament has not been "back and forth." It's been China being shit on. This tournament has not been great thus far for them. But no one are out yet. Two of their teams are already going to be last, because they have to play each other. Yes. That leaves 1 on each side of the lower brackets. 2 more tomorrow can change it, or bring more Chinese teams to secure some Chinese team going further in lower bracket.
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Buyback -> Haunt still a deadly turn around thing
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On February 26 2016 18:59 trinxified wrote: are the people saying they're boycotting because 2GD is gone... Are they for real? despite the shitty delays, and other issues, real dota fans are here to watch matches, not personalities.
The dota level is mostly shit, production value is shit, we enjoyed 2GD being back, they fired him. Nothing left interesting in here.
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Spectre Zeus buybacks so dirty
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Pretty sure Alliance is ahead now =/ Fnatic really has to end it while spec has no bb
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On February 26 2016 19:00 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 18:59 trinxified wrote: are the people saying they're boycotting because 2GD is gone... Are they for real? despite the shitty delays, and other issues, real dota fans are here to watch matches, not personalities. The dota level is mostly shit, production value is shit, we enjoyed 2GD being back, they fired him. Nothing left interesting in here.
there are no other professional tourneys/matches going on right now, so there's nothing else to watch either in terms of dota.
I get what you're saying tho. I liked 2GD, but to say they are done with this event because he's gone is just silly
let's hope the playoffs will be problem free, since it's gonna be at the main stage
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I can't watch whats happening with [A] vs fnatic ? Also the vg vs ts ?
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Spectre buyback haunt still haunting my dreams
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On February 26 2016 18:59 trinxified wrote: are the people saying they're boycotting because 2GD is gone... Are they for real? despite the shitty delays, and other issues, real dota fans are here to watch matches, not personalities.
i dont see much dota going on tbh. real dota fans want the best for dota and the best for dota is when the least amount of unqualified retards are involved with it. i.e. everyone working at shanghai majors.
its the internet equivalent to "vote with your money". i may watch the final, but other than that i am done with it. valve has to step up their game.
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I really dont like if fnatic just lets these buyback timers expire
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On February 26 2016 19:02 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 18:59 trinxified wrote: are the people saying they're boycotting because 2GD is gone... Are they for real? despite the shitty delays, and other issues, real dota fans are here to watch matches, not personalities. i dont see much dota going on tbh. real dota fans want the best for dota and the best for dota is when the least amount of unqualified retards are involved with it. i.e. everyone working at shanghai majors. its the internet equivalent to "vote with your money". i may watch the final, but other than that i am done with it. valve has to step up their game.
I don't know who made you the one to decide what REAL dota fans want but I like dota and I like to watch players trying their best and I think alliance and fnatic are doing that right now so I'm going to watch them play dota
fuck your drama
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